Thai govt dared to show proof of international 'role'

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Govt dared to show proof of international 'role'
KASAMAKORN CHANWANPEN
THE NATION

BANGKOK: -- THE 14 NEW Democracy Movement (NDM) students, who were released from prison on Wednesday, yesterday dared the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) and the government to show evidence to prove whether they were really backed by international agencies.

"I'd like to ask them [NCPO] to tell the media about the international agencies or those backing us [which NCPO talked about], who are they? Reporters, please ask them. If [you] dare, let us know [who the international agencies or those backing us are]. Anyone can say anything [without evidence]," said Rangsiman Rome, a key NDM member, at Thammasat University, Rangsit campus, where they made their first statement after their release.

From the time the 14 took to streets, there had been many rumours about them being supported by political groups and international agencies. A few officials had come out, saying they knew that someone was backing these students.

"As for the accusation that we were hired [to do this], I want to ask everyone, how much would it cost for us to risk our lives? Bt300? Would you join us for B300? Bt500? Will you join us?," the student added.

Rangsiman dismissed such accusations as mere words that can be spoken by anyone. He urged the government and the NCPO to show evidence to prove that the students were really backed by international agencies or any group.

Apart from that, he also said that all the accusations were slanderous, adding that the NCPO was trying to set them up in a bid to use violence like in the days of the October 6 revolution when students were massacred.

At Thammasat University yesterday, the NDM issued another statement, stressing that they would continue to fight for democracy to restore the five principles they thought had been lost in Thai society.

The statement contained three major points: One, their 12-day detention was a human rights violation; second, Article 44 was not a law and hence the NCPO should stop using it against the people; third, they would continue to fight and would cooperate with any group from anywhere that would like to fight for democracy.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Govt-dared-to-show-proof-of-international-role-30264134.html


-- The Nation 2015-07-10

[NongKhaiKid]

Oh the NCPO will have ' proof ' and will produce it at the appropriate time, whenever that is.

Taken straight from the Chalerm Yoobamrung Handbook.

[Nigeone]

In this climate there brave guys..respect to them...it's a pity more weren't able to speak out.

[RustBucket]

I think we can safely assume that this lot will end up straight back in the pokey, this time with a lot less mercy,,,, Or sympathy.

[Robby nz]

In this climate there brave guys..respect to them...it's a pity more weren't able to speak out.

Could it be that you have confused bravery with stupidity ?

There are ways and means of going about changing things that you don't agree with, provided of course that they can be changed, in this instance their actions can only cause trouble and slow down the process of returning to an elected democracy. Far better, if they do have any ideas of their own, to make those ideas heard in a constructive manner.

Lord knows there are enough reforms needed in education, which they should know something about and law, their chosen subject, to need input from anyone who is willing to offer constructive comment.

This lot are doing nobody any good particularly themselves, unless they have been promised list positions on a party ticket, as has been given to trouble makers before.

[jayboy]

In this climate there brave guys..respect to them...it's a pity more weren't able to speak out.

Could it be that you have confused bravery with stupidity ?

There are ways and means of going about changing things that you don't agree with, provided of course that they can be changed, in this instance their actions can only cause trouble and slow down the process of returning to an elected democracy. Far better, if they do have any ideas of their own, to make those ideas heard in a constructive manner.

Lord knows there are enough reforms needed in education, which they should know something about and law, their chosen subject, to need input from anyone who is willing to offer constructive comment.

This lot are doing nobody any good particularly themselves, unless they have been promised list positions on a party ticket, as has been given to trouble makers before.

The final paragraph of this deplorable post is a dishonest slur.Does the regime apologist tendency get any worse than this?

[lildragon]

In this climate there brave guys..respect to them...it's a pity more weren't able to speak out.

Could it be that you have confused bravery with stupidity ?

There are ways and means of going about changing things that you don't agree with, provided of course that they can be changed, in this instance their actions can only cause trouble and slow down the process of returning to an elected democracy. Far better, if they do have any ideas of their own, to make those ideas heard in a constructive manner.

Lord knows there are enough reforms needed in education, which they should know something about and law, their chosen subject, to need input from anyone who is willing to offer constructive comment.

This lot are doing nobody any good particularly themselves, unless they have been promised list positions on a party ticket, as has been given to trouble makers before.

The final paragraph of this deplorable post is a dishonest slur.Does the regime apologist tendency get any worse than this?

Well there precious junta have been asked to put up or shut up. Provide solid evidence that these student's are being paid by the bogey man in Dubai or have been 'influenced' by foreign agencies or just stop talking bull.

They said there'd be no coup, there was one, Prayuth said he wouldn't be the PM, he is, martial law temporary, it's still In force, elections within a year, the people are still waiting.

Why should these students just shut up and tow the line for these bullies? More power to them I say and good on them for standing up to these dinosaurs.

[LomSak27]

Hey its a Robby NZ post

get used to it

[geriatrickid]

I think we can safely assume that this lot will end up straight back in the pokey, this time with a lot less mercy,,,, Or sympathy.

Ghandi was imprisoned too. His persecution by the colonial government only strengthened the independence movement.

Imprisoning non violent peaceful respectable law students won't go over well with most Thais, nor with the foreign governments who are important Thai markets.

I am in awe of these students courage, principle and bravery. The military could learn some things about courage under fire from these law students.

These are the country's future leaders in the making. Who says young Thais don't care? Obviously some do.

[geriatrickid]

The final paragraph of this deplorable post is a dishonest slur.Does the regime apologist tendency get any worse than this?

Sadly, yes.

[Manbing]

"As for the accusation that we were hired [to do this], I want to ask everyone, how much would it cost for us to risk our lives? Bt300? Would you join us for B300? Bt500? Will you join us?," the student added.

Sorry? whats this about?

I am unaware the death penalty is on the table here?

Where did 300bht come from?

Edited July 10, 2015 by Manbing

[Fat Haggis]

In this climate there brave guys..respect to them...it's a pity more weren't able to speak out.

Could it be that you have confused bravery with stupidity ?

There are ways and means of going about changing things that you don't agree with, provided of course that they can be changed, in this instance their actions can only cause trouble and slow down the process of returning to an elected democracy. Far better, if they do have any ideas of their own, to make those ideas heard in a constructive manner.

Lord knows there are enough reforms needed in education, which they should know something about and law, their chosen subject, to need input from anyone who is willing to offer constructive comment.

This lot are doing nobody any good particularly themselves, unless they have been promised list positions on a party ticket, as has been given to trouble makers before.

You mean like taking to the streets, blowing whistles, blocking places of work, and barricading polling stations?

You say they're not doing anything good? Really, well for starters they're highlighting that the Army are nothing more than bullies, and continue to send people to "make them understand" that sir is intimidation.

They're also highlighting that the Army and the NCPO are fabricating stories about their so called brainwashing, perhaps it's not them who have been brainwashed, career army men, in a certain clique would also fit into the brainwashed category.

And as Thai citizens, they have the right to highlight that the Junta are full of it.

[oneday]

In this climate there brave guys..respect to them...it's a pity more weren't able to speak out.

Could it be that you have confused bravery with stupidity ?

There are ways and means of going about changing things that you don't agree with, provided of course that they can be changed, in this instance their actions can only cause trouble and slow down the process of returning to an elected democracy. Far better, if they do have any ideas of their own, to make those ideas heard in a constructive manner.

Lord knows there are enough reforms needed in education, which they should know something about and law, their chosen subject, to need input from anyone who is willing to offer constructive comment.

This lot are doing nobody any good particularly themselves, unless they have been promised list positions on a party ticket, as has been given to trouble makers before.

Tsk, tsk, such a misguided naive child.

[baboon]

In this climate there brave guys..respect to them...it's a pity more weren't able to speak out.

Could it be that you have confused bravery with stupidity ?

There are ways and means of going about changing things that you don't agree with, provided of course that they can be changed, in this instance their actions can only cause trouble and slow down the process of returning to an elected democracy. Far better, if they do have any ideas of their own, to make those ideas heard in a constructive manner.

Lord knows there are enough reforms needed in education, which they should know something about and law, their chosen subject, to need input from anyone who is willing to offer constructive comment.

This lot are doing nobody any good particularly themselves, unless they have been promised list positions on a party ticket, as has been given to trouble makers before.

You mean like taking to the streets, blowing whistles, blocking places of work, and barricading polling stations?

You say they're not doing anything good? Really, well for starters they're highlighting that the Army are nothing more than bullies, and continue to send people to "make them understand" that sir is intimidation.

They're also highlighting that the Army and the NCPO are fabricating stories about their so called brainwashing, perhaps it's not them who have been brainwashed, career army men, in a certain clique would also fit into the brainwashed category.

And as Thai citizens, they have the right to highlight that the Junta are full of it.

Quite. Why didn't those who protested against the previous government not work with them in solving the country's problems and get off the streets as they were damaging the economy and Thailand's reputation?

Oh, hang on - It's different when our side are at it, isn't it?

[Srikcir]

These students are the Mandelas of Thailand.

They have armed themselves with the spirit of democracy to confront the sword of facism.

They are heroes.

[lildragon]

These students are the Mandelas of Thailand.

They have armed themselves with the spirit of democracy to confront the sword of facism.

They are heroes.

That's funny. A certain junta 7% troll on here claimed Suthep to be the Mandela of Asia

[Chang_paarp]

"As for the accusation that we were hired [to do this], I want to ask everyone, how much would it cost for us to risk our lives? Bt300? Would you join us for B300? Bt500? Will you join us?," the student added.

Sorry? whats this about?

I am unaware the death penalty is on the table here?

Where did 300bht come from?

If you rub a couple of neurons together, the 300 - 500 baht is a reference to what a vote is alleged to be worth in an election, usually paid to the "uneducated" folk from outside Bangkok.

As to the risk to life, a simple history lesson about what happens to students who stand up to the military will explain that reference. If they are lucky, they will only be "re-educated".

[jesimps]

In this climate there brave guys..respect to them...it's a pity more weren't able to speak out.

Could it be that you have confused bravery with stupidity ?

There are ways and means of going about changing things that you don't agree with, provided of course that they can be changed, in this instance their actions can only cause trouble and slow down the process of returning to an elected democracy. Far better, if they do have any ideas of their own, to make those ideas heard in a constructive manner.

Lord knows there are enough reforms needed in education, which they should know something about and law, their chosen subject, to need input from anyone who is willing to offer constructive comment.

This lot are doing nobody any good particularly themselves, unless they have been promised list positions on a party ticket, as has been given to trouble makers before.

My goodness, I knew the junta groupies were blinkered but that happens to be the most niaively incorrect post I've ever read. I suppose in your eyes it was OK for the rabble who took over Bangkok and forced out the people's government, were excused "finding other means of going about changing things".

[JAG]

"As for the accusation that we were hired [to do this], I want to ask everyone, how much would it cost for us to risk our lives? Bt300? Would you join us for B300? Bt500? Will you join us?," the student added.

Sorry? whats this about?

I am unaware the death penalty is on the table here?

Where did 300bht come from?

It is not exactly unknown, in modern Thailand political history for summary executions to occur. Oil drums spring to mind.

[baboon]

These students are the Mandelas of Thailand.

They have armed themselves with the spirit of democracy to confront the sword of facism.

They are heroes.

That's funny. A certain junta 7% troll on here claimed Suthep to be the Mandela of Asia

He never says if he means Nelson or Winnie, mind...

[bamnutsak]

"The smallest worm will turn being trodden on, And doves will peck in safeguard of their brood."

[Lupatria]

In this climate there brave guys..respect to them...it's a pity more weren't able to speak out.

Could it be that you have confused bravery with stupidity ?

There are ways and means of going about changing things that you don't agree with, provided of course that they can be changed, in this instance their actions can only cause trouble and slow down the process of returning to an elected democracy. Far better, if they do have any ideas of their own, to make those ideas heard in a constructive manner.

Lord knows there are enough reforms needed in education, which they should know something about and law, their chosen subject, to need input from anyone who is willing to offer constructive comment.

This lot are doing nobody any good particularly themselves, unless they have been promised list positions on a party ticket, as has been given to trouble makers before.

Did you rip off a couple of pages from your history books in school, or was this half naked subversive individual not part of a curriculum in NZ?

[EnglishJohn]

"I want to ask everyone, how much would it cost for us to risk our lives?"

In the civilised world, we recognise that students have no <deleted!> clue about what goes on in the world and yet in their ignorance they are so certain they are right. We've all been there. When these kids are 40, they will look back and wonder how they could be so naïve and gullible.

Who is actually risking their lives ?. Red-shirts have been programmed with this line yet everyone gets released unharmed.

If this student had any wits, he might think back to how many of the protestors went to the streets and lost their lives without getting a single baht - and did it freely. About 27 dead wasn't it ?. Then he might ask himself why the educated masses in Bangkok decided to do this. And then he might ask himself who murdered them and wonder why he is following such people.

But he won't because it doesn't suit his purpose. The word 'student' in Thailand does not infer any intelligence. And that's why I see most educated farang who do write intelligent posts on here do not support the red-shirt movement.

[bamnutsak]

"I want to ask everyone, how much would it cost for us to risk our lives?"

In the civilised world, we recognise that students have no <deleted!> clue about what goes on in the world and yet in their ignorance they are so certain they are right. We've all been there. When these kids are 40, they will look back and wonder how they could be so naïve and gullible.

Who is actually risking their lives ?. Red-shirts have been programmed with this line yet everyone gets released unharmed.

If this student had any wits, he might think back to how many of the protestors went to the streets and lost their lives without getting a single baht - and did it freely. About 27 dead wasn't it ?. Then he might ask himself why the educated masses in Bangkok decided to do this. And then he might ask himself who murdered them and wonder why he is following such people.

But he won't because it doesn't suit his purpose. The word 'student' in Thailand does not infer any intelligence. And that's why I see most educated farang who do write intelligent posts on here do not support the red-shirt movement.

So "your" protesters represent the educated masses, and "their" protesters are ignorant.

How's that "reconciliation" thing going?

[EnglishJohn]

These students are the Mandelas of Thailand.

They have armed themselves with the spirit of democracy to confront the sword of facism.

They are heroes.

That's funny. A certain junta 7% troll on here claimed Suthep to be the Mandela of Asia

Yes, Mandela was a terrorist as well. That's where the similarity ends. Red-Shirts stand for corruption and greed.

End of story.

As for the Suthep line : an excellent example of the low-calibre dross we see so much of on here. I would expect better from an 8 year old. Are you embarrassed about it now you look back ?.

[baboon]

"I want to ask everyone, how much would it cost for us to risk our lives?"

In the civilised world, we recognise that students have no f***ing clue about what goes on in the world and yet in their ignorance they are so certain they are right. We've all been there. When these kids are 40, they will look back and wonder how they could be so naïve and gullible.

Who is "We"?

I asked you in another thread which news sources you use to form your opinions and you did not reply which is of course your absolute prerogative, but it does lead one to wonder why not...

[Bangkok Barry]

There are no international agencies involved, because the rest of the world has little or no interest in Thailand. The country is an insignificant player in world affairs, an international backwater, despite what the Thais believe themselves to be.

[eliotness]

These students are the Mandelas of Thailand.

They have armed themselves with the spirit of democracy to confront the sword of facism.

They are heroes.

That's funny. A certain junta 7% troll on here claimed Suthep to be the Mandela of Asia

Yes, Mandela was a terrorist as well. That's where the similarity ends. Red-Shirts stand for corruption and greed.

End of story.

As for the Suthep line : an excellent example of the low-calibre dross we see so much of on here. I would expect better from an 8 year old. Are you embarrassed about it now you look back ?.

How can you compare Mandela with the red-shirt movement, apples and pears. Compare the red-shirts with the ANC then you might find your argument falls flat on it's face. In fact the ANC supporters have murdered many many more people than your accursed red-shirts. The corruption among the ANC leadership in legendary.

[Reigntax]

In this climate there brave guys..respect to them...it's a pity more weren't able to speak out.

Could it be that you have confused bravery with stupidity ?

There are ways and means of going about changing things that you don't agree with, provided of course that they can be changed, in this instance their actions can only cause trouble and slow down the process of returning to an elected democracy. Far better, if they do have any ideas of their own, to make those ideas heard in a constructive manner.

Lord knows there are enough reforms needed in education, which they should know something about and law, their chosen subject, to need input from anyone who is willing to offer constructive comment.

This lot are doing nobody any good particularly themselves, unless they have been promised list positions on a party ticket, as has been given to trouble makers before.

Everyone should listen as Robby nz is and expert, some may say master, of stupidity!

[Benmart]

In this climate there brave guys..respect to them...it's a pity more weren't able to speak out.

Could it be that you have confused bravery with stupidity ?

There are ways and means of going about changing things that you don't agree with, provided of course that they can be changed, in this instance their actions can only cause trouble and slow down the process of returning to an elected democracy. Far better, if they do have any ideas of their own, to make those ideas heard in a constructive manner.

Lord knows there are enough reforms needed in education, which they should know something about and law, their chosen subject, to need input from anyone who is willing to offer constructive comment.

This lot are doing nobody any good particularly themselves, unless they have been promised list positions on a party ticket, as has been given to trouble makers before.

Dissent is the foundation of a true democracy. I am not qualified to label anyone stupid or not. I am not privy as to who does what, for whatever reason, unless I profess that I know more than anyone else.