China cuts interest rates again to spur economic growth

[ilostmypassword]

Trump is an idiot CCP can deal with allowing him to brandish some ridiculous stuff on stage and get his 15 mins of fame

HC is tougher but less effective as her stance as Secretary of State was already well stated and she has not much she has not revealed that she can do to China

Bottom line whoever wins is going to have their time showing their toughness to China but life goes on and the CCP will let them have their 4 years.

The next president and the next still have to deal with President Xi and share the world stage with him

Interesting how you assume President Xi will still be around in 4 years.. He's shown that he hasn't got the nerve, the intelligence or the support to face head-on the grave economic problems threatening China's economy.

Edited May 7, 2016 by ilostmypassword

[Publicus]

Trump is an idiot CCP can deal with allowing him to brandish some ridiculous stuff on stage and get his 15 mins of fame

HC is tougher but less effective as her stance as Secretary of State was already well stated and she has not much she has not revealed that she can do to China

Bottom line whoever wins is going to have their time showing their toughness to China but life goes on and the CCP will let them have their 4 years.

The next president and the next still have to deal with President Xi and share the world stage with him

CCP is percolating with Trumps just as it always has been, along with their fierce fenqing supporters. Because CCP is a closed and secretive place we don't see 'em daily or hardly ever, and few in the West know 'em by name or by their particular personal and ideological dementia.

Anyone who might think CCP does not have its extremist lunatic crackpots in the Party and, as in the case of the fenqing in the society in general would need to be pinched to come out of his dreamland of oblivion and naivete.

Last year with CCP financial crashes from the stock markets to the currency as with much else pulled back the curtain on the CCP to reveal they're not in charge of their economy or of its financial systems...and that they never have been in effective control of the runaway heavy construction markets.

The CCP Boyz don't know any more about what they're going than Trump does, to include the extremist nativist supporters of each of 'em.

[LawrenceChee]

Trump is an idiot CCP can deal with allowing him to brandish some ridiculous stuff on stage and get his 15 mins of fame

HC is tougher but less effective as her stance as Secretary of State was already well stated and she has not much she has not revealed that she can do to China

Bottom line whoever wins is going to have their time showing their toughness to China but life goes on and the CCP will let them have their 4 years.

The next president and the next still have to deal with President Xi and share the world stage with him

Interesting how you assume President Xi will still be around in 4 years.. He's shown that he hasn't got the nerve, the intelligence or the support to face head-on the grave economic problems threatening China's economy.

If you understand the Chinese way you already know he will be here to serve out his term and also who is next mate ....

The Chinese don't swap out presidents ...they serve a term and the term is 10 years. Unless he hugs an American flag at the next Tiananmen Square parade , his job is safer than anyone else

[Publicus]

Trump is an idiot CCP can deal with allowing him to brandish some ridiculous stuff on stage and get his 15 mins of fame

HC is tougher but less effective as her stance as Secretary of State was already well stated and she has not much she has not revealed that she can do to China

Bottom line whoever wins is going to have their time showing their toughness to China but life goes on and the CCP will let them have their 4 years.

The next president and the next still have to deal with President Xi and share the world stage with him

Interesting how you assume President Xi will still be around in 4 years.. He's shown that he hasn't got the nerve, the intelligence or the support to face head-on the grave economic problems threatening China's economy.

If you understand the Chinese way you already know he will be here to serve out his term and also who is next mate ....

The Chinese don't swap out presidents ...they serve a term and the term is 10 years. Unless he hugs an American flag at the next Tiananmen Square parade , his job is safer than anyone else

Au contraire.

It is yet another instance of the Asian strongman forever rule invented thousands of years ago in the Middle Kingdom.....

Xi Jinping Forever

Foreign and Chinese observers surprised at Chinese leader Xi Jinping’s maneuvers to shake up the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) — and at the same time arrogate powers of the party, state, and military to himself — may be in for another shock. Just two and a half years into his reign, Xi appears to be angling to break the 10-year-tenure rule for the country’s supreme leader, with the aim of serving longer than any Chinese ruler in decades.

According to three sources close to top CCP officials, Xi and several top aides are making plans to ensure that the strongman will rule until at least 2027, when he will still be a relatively sprightly 74 years old.

“Xi’s total dominance of the party-state-military apparatus — and the fact that he has so far not groomed any successor — indicates that he will remain China’s supreme ruler irrespective of whether he gives up his post of CCP general secretary in 2022,” said one of the sources, all three of whom asked to remain anonymous because of the sensitivity of discussing elite politics.

While much could happen to derail Xi’s plans — including pushback from rivals, an international or domestic crisis, or health issues, among other things — Xi appears to be planning to stay in office for as long as he can.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/04/01/xi-jinping-forever-china-president-term-limits/ (emphasis added)

While lunar crackpot rightists in the USA remain convinced President Obama will declare some kind of martial law to remain in office forever, USA will of course and unquestionably continue to observe its Constitution that limits a Potus to two elections max, i.e., two 4-year terms.

In contrast however, rulers in the CCP China will sooner or later defy the two 5-year term limit in the Party constitution that rules the land. Looks increasingly like Xi Jinping is the guy in this contemporary instance of the Middle Kingdom restored.

CCP are but another Chinese dynasty except CCP wear business suits. So rotsa ruck with that. The CCP economic slowdown and persistently irreversable decline will mean the existing elites with their own wealth and power will and must needs be hang onto it no matter what.

Economic reform in CCP China is kaput and there never was any political or cultural reform.

[ilostmypassword]

Trump is an idiot CCP can deal with allowing him to brandish some ridiculous stuff on stage and get his 15 mins of fame

HC is tougher but less effective as her stance as Secretary of State was already well stated and she has not much she has not revealed that she can do to China

Bottom line whoever wins is going to have their time showing their toughness to China but life goes on and the CCP will let them have their 4 years.

The next president and the next still have to deal with President Xi and share the world stage with him

Interesting how you assume President Xi will still be around in 4 years.. He's shown that he hasn't got the nerve, the intelligence or the support to face head-on the grave economic problems threatening China's economy.

If you understand the Chinese way you already know he will be here to serve out his term and also who is next mate ....

The Chinese don't swap out presidents ...they serve a term and the term is 10 years. Unless he hugs an American flag at the next Tiananmen Square parade , his job is safer than anyone else

Because things could never go so disastrously wrong that he might be deposed. Especially given that there's no legal way for the Chinese citizenry to rid themselves of a ruler.

[Publicus]

^ The older report you cited correctly identifies Vietnam and Indo, but overstates the importance of Lao and Cambo in terms of global supply chain effectiveness. And, as usual, you grossly, inaccurately and prematurely predict the demise of a China you obviously despise.

Your analysis predicting the downfall of China is similar to those who predicted the downfall of US competitiveness as wages rose. Among others, there are two key reasons why China will continue to occupy a central role in this "expansion of the workroom" to Indo and Vietnam (and to Cambo & Lao to a lesser extent): shipping costs/frequency and air/sea port costs/frequency and availability.

Just as the US producers beat a path to China and invested in Chinese factories, and Chinese factories emerged in their own right, yes, those producers have now been seeking and finding cheaper places for low wage manufacturing. However, China has the most extensive and CHEAPEST international freight structure in global shipping, because of the massive infrastructure, and the FREQUENCY of vessel sailings. To understand this, think of yourself traveling to places like Bangkok, Hong Kong, and Singapore. Flights are cheapest to/from those destination hubs than other places in Asia because market demand drives more entrants and lower prices. It's cheaper to fly to Bangkok from anywhere than to fly to Phnom Penh.

So, the ability of Chinese producers to find feeder & break bulk shipping to the main China ports for onward shipping to the US/Europe/World in these places is superior than these small countries have by themselves. For that reason, Chinese/American/global MNC companies will simply plug and play the most optimized place for continued expansion of cheap labor. Other places cited in the report will develop slowly, but will not be competitors in the short term.

China will develop its backyard (in concert and in competition with other global players) in a rational way. This will result in job predictable displacement in China, but it will be the same issue now facing the Trump supporters in the USA. There will need to be a plan to move them up the value chain, retrain, retool and focus on higher technology, which China is doing. Huawei, ZTE, Datang, Lenovo, Xiaomi, and many other exciting and emerging tech companies are moving China up the value chain, just as America did. For sure, there is a bigger danger of job displacement with the huge number of people, and civil unrest, but it is not the beginning of the end of the CCP China.

it is not the beginning of the end of the CCP China.

CCP will be there for a long time to come, yes. No matter what and for sure, yes. CCP is cooked but far from finished.

After the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989 CCP created the People's Armed Police as the force to handle any such events in the future. PLA had complained directly to the Butcher of Tiananmen Deng Xiaoping that it would not do that again.

Hence the PAP.

PAP numbers 850,000 paramilitary police in 48 divisions stationed in garrisons in each province. The PAP budget is greater than the budget of the entire CCP armed forces. Every CCP Chinese knows this because CCP makes it well known to the general population in the interests of deterrence. All the same, CCP will slaughter 100,000,000 Chinese if necessary to remain in power (at least that number and lots more if deemed necessary).

This poster had stated many times in many CCP threads over a long period of time that the CCP China will always be there no matter what. No matter that its economy is in a steady and continually volatile decline that is structural and not capable of being reformed, i.e., irreversible.

China has always had wealth and CCP China will continue to have great wealth. No matter that the rich wealth of China is concentrated in the CCP rather than in the people as consumers. China's enormous wealth will always exist no matter the state of the general population, as any money grubbing shameless foreign opportunist well knows. CCP and wealth will always be there and so will the smug and self-satisfied fatcat foreign devils whose only interest is the color of money.

Edited May 7, 2016 by Publicus

[keemapoot]

^ Who doesn't love reading those posts full of dramatic exotic intrigue - it's like reading a James Clavell novel. In fact, that's a great idea, I think I'll go find my old dog-eared Noble House and give it another read this weekend. It's packed full of foreign devils corrupting commies and stuff. Some of that stuff is real and fun if you were around long ago enough in the right circles.

[Publicus]

The color of money will color anyone's views concerning anything. The greed green for the USD or the red rmb of Chairman Mao and his "some must get rich first" Deng Xiaoping principle. Only some however, as in the CCP and friends.

$4 Trillion in CCP corruption since 2005.

A $15 Trillion economy built on quicksand which cannot possibly make 1.6 billion people middle class. Or any class. It can and does however make wealthy a small elite and their chosen servants and sycophants.

All of that windfall constitutes the good life among only a few people. It will cause anyone grubbing after big bucks to overlook a lot of fundamentally obnoxious realities, selfish and cruel rulers. It's a grand scheme that can only last so long before it collapses of its own dead weight.

We are watching the wind-down unfold. Easy come easy go.

[keemapoot]

While the above poster continues to gleefully and errantly predict the imminent collapse of the evil, corrupt Chinese empire and all of its greedy foreign co-conspirators, FT is reporting today a somewhat different view.

Fundamentals have certainly improved since the renminbi’s sharp fall in early January sent shockwaves through global markets. Predictions that uncontrolled capital flight would lead to a collapse in the renminbi, or rapid depletion of China’s reserves, now look increasingly rash.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/da54332e-15b8-11e6-b8d5-4c1fcdbe169f.html#axzz48CkMJ5Aq

Those whose principal experience in business in China consists of negotiating prices at the food stall markets may not realize the fundamental depth of Chinese market, and that it is not built solely on smoke and mirrors and backroom illegal payoffs, but that it really makes things that create value to the world. Capital outflows are still there, and it's certainly not in great shape, but just as capitalist markets adjust in the west, so too will China. And, of course, the People's Bank of China will not let control of its exchange rate go, but then most knew that.

And, for sure, as the article states, reforms are on hold so that stability can be maintained, and it is by no means in good shape, but in no danger of collapsing imminently.

[Publicus]

While the above poster continues to gleefully and errantly predict the imminent collapse of the evil, corrupt Chinese empire and all of its greedy foreign co-conspirators, FT is reporting today a somewhat different view.

Fundamentals have certainly improved since the renminbi’s sharp fall in early January sent shockwaves through global markets. Predictions that uncontrolled capital flight would lead to a collapse in the renminbi, or rapid depletion of China’s reserves, now look increasingly rash.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/da54332e-15b8-11e6-b8d5-4c1fcdbe169f.html#axzz48CkMJ5Aq

Those whose principal experience in business in China consists of negotiating prices at the food stall markets may not realize the fundamental depth of Chinese market, and that it is not built solely on smoke and mirrors and backroom illegal payoffs, but that it really makes things that create value to the world. Capital outflows are still there, and it's certainly not in great shape, but just as capitalist markets adjust in the west, so too will China. And, of course, the People's Bank of China will not let control of its exchange rate go, but then most knew that.

And, for sure, as the article states, reforms are on hold so that stability can be maintained, and it is by no means in good shape, but in no danger of collapsing imminently.

Over the past six months this poster has stood in factories in the CCP China where there has been zero production during the time period.

You want to disparage or dismiss what someone sees, knows, experiences, then there's not much to discuss.

[boomerangutang]

If America suffers severe economic downturn, will that be good for China? I hope neither suffer economic calamities, but both Trump's and Sander's economic plans look like they will spell disaster for the US - but with different paths for getting there.

Trump's disaster

Sander's disaster

I've been a Bernie fan, but am now fading on him because he's just too generous with other peoples' money. Trump is a flip-flopping disaster on two legs. That leaves Madame President-to-be. She's the most sane of the bunch, which might not be saying a whole lot. No US candidate is proposing cutting wasteful spending as I would recommend.

Oh ok, this thread is about China. Well, the Chinese and US economies are intrinsically entwined, aren't they?

[thaibeachlovers]

A major factor for Thailand's economy tanking in 1997 was excess loans. Loans were very easy to get in the 90's in Thailand. A well-dressed handsome man could walk into a bank, show a pretty painting of an apartment building, with fountains and flower beds, and walk out with however much cash he said he needed. If that man was well-connected to Army or police brass, or to a politician or a rich family, then his quick wad of money would be ten times fatter. Thailand and China are similar in many ways. It sounds to little ol' me that, if Publicus' post is on the mark, China is heading down Bubble Lane, soon to arrive at Burst Bubble Avenue. But whereas Thailand's bubble burst was in the billions of $$'s, China's would be in the trillions. Methinks if I wrote a post like this in China, I might get a knock on the door in the wee hours, and it wouldn't be a cute neighbor lady dressed in a negligee, wanting to mess around.

Thailand's bubble burst was great for a tourist. could actually get around Bkk without traffic jams.

However, China has a solution that was not available to Thailand. The temptation to use the old standby when populations get restless must be getting strong in the party elite.

If they can convince themselves that the US will not intervene, there may be a war in our future.

[thaibeachlovers]

Trump is an idiot CCP can deal with allowing him to brandish some ridiculous stuff on stage and get his 15 mins of fame

HC is tougher but less effective as her stance as Secretary of State was already well stated and she has not much she has not revealed that she can do to China

Bottom line whoever wins is going to have their time showing their toughness to China but life goes on and the CCP will let them have their 4 years.

The next president and the next still have to deal with President Xi and share the world stage with him

Interesting how you assume President Xi will still be around in 4 years.. He's shown that he hasn't got the nerve, the intelligence or the support to face head-on the grave economic problems threatening China's economy.

If you understand the Chinese way you already know he will be here to serve out his term and also who is next mate ....

The Chinese don't swap out presidents ...they serve a term and the term is 10 years. Unless he hugs an American flag at the next Tiananmen Square parade , his job is safer than anyone else

Au contraire.

It is yet another instance of the Asian strongman forever rule invented thousands of years ago in the Middle Kingdom.....

Xi Jinping Forever

Foreign and Chinese observers surprised at Chinese leader Xi Jinping’s maneuvers to shake up the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) — and at the same time arrogate powers of the party, state, and military to himself — may be in for another shock. Just two and a half years into his reign, Xi appears to be angling to break the 10-year-tenure rule for the country’s supreme leader, with the aim of serving longer than any Chinese ruler in decades.

According to three sources close to top CCP officials, Xi and several top aides are making plans to ensure that the strongman will rule until at least 2027, when he will still be a relatively sprightly 74 years old.

“Xi’s total dominance of the party-state-military apparatus — and the fact that he has so far not groomed any successor — indicates that he will remain China’s supreme ruler irrespective of whether he gives up his post of CCP general secretary in 2022,” said one of the sources, all three of whom asked to remain anonymous because of the sensitivity of discussing elite politics.

While much could happen to derail Xi’s plans — including pushback from rivals, an international or domestic crisis, or health issues, among other things — Xi appears to be planning to stay in office for as long as he can.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/04/01/xi-jinping-forever-china-president-term-limits/ (emphasis added)

While lunar crackpot rightists in the USA remain convinced President Obama will declare some kind of martial law to remain in office forever, USA will of course and unquestionably continue to observe its Constitution that limits a Potus to two elections max, i.e., two 4-year terms.

In contrast however, rulers in the CCP China will sooner or later defy the two 5-year term limit in the Party constitution that rules the land. Looks increasingly like Xi Jinping is the guy in this contemporary instance of the Middle Kingdom restored.

CCP are but another Chinese dynasty except CCP wear business suits. So rotsa ruck with that. The CCP economic slowdown and persistently irreversable decline will mean the existing elites with their own wealth and power will and must needs be hang onto it no matter what.

Economic reform in CCP China is kaput and there never was any political or cultural reform.

Re an Obama coup- plenty of posters on here that would march to Obama's drum if only to keep the Donald out!

However, I believe that Obama has stated he wants out of the WH- he has definitely greyed prematurely!

Re China, one should bear in mind that everything ends. Sometimes ends take a while, but they always happen. It's what the elites will do to hang onto the booty that should concern us.

[boomerangutang]

China's elites aren't sitting still waiting to see if the light turns green or red. They're already bolting the corral. No one knows the numbers, but they're big. #1 destination for well-heeled Chinese is NYC. It's the height of irony. Officially, the US is enemy #1. Yet the richies voting with their feet want to get to NYC. London is #2, and other big US cities are probably tied for #3 on the list. If any of the absconders have little kids, they desperately want to get them enrolled in elitist kindergarten. The competition is wicked for that. "spare no expense!" is the battle cry.

It's similar to Malaysia's former head man, Mahathir. He never missed a chance to say disparaging things about the US, and westerners in general. One of his great quotes went something like this, "You can see how westerners never get along, because their history is full of wars." Yet, Mahathir made sure his precious children all went to American universities. It's popular for Asian leaders to declare their distaste for the US, but they would give their right arm and leg to get their kids accepted at a US university. They're also ecstatic to get a Green Card. They don't seek my advice, but I'd tell them Canada, Scandinavia or NZ are better places to go. Why would they listen to someone like me? I'm not rich and don't have a bunch of collegiate letters after my name. They'd listen to someone like Bernie Madoff who is very rich, well-groomed, silver-tongued, dresses in expensive suits and ties, and has (had) an office at a prestigious downtown NYC address.

[ExpatOilWorker]

18 consecutive months of falling import. It should start to show on the export side soon and for sure everything is not good in the belly of the beast.

http://www.gulf-times.com/story/492692/China-exports-stabilise-imports-decline-amid-weakn

[Publicus]

It looks something like this....quite exactly this in fact...

Export growth stopped in 2012 and had been dropping off since then. Exports went negative early last year. Exports have gone sharply negative since then. Exports won't get any better. Import growth stinks even worse and everyone is still counting.

Manufacturing continues to decline so CCP points to its efforts under Xi Jinping and PM Li Kejiang to increase the services sector which everyone agrees is the key to rebalancing the state enterprise and infrastructure economy to a consumer economy based on rising household income.

Service sector jobs are up and increasing at a steady rate. That's the good news. However, as we well know, good news perpetually has its bad news side.

The bad news in the growth of service sector jobs is the nature of the new and increasing service sector jobs. CCP China now has more hairdressers, street vendors, nurses and the like than ever before. Jobs that pay the same as factory jobs.

The long and the short of it is that the dog continues to chase its tail over there.

“Wealth creation is there to increase the security of the state. If economic reform is seen at a lesser level to enhancing the security of the state, it is going to be sidelined.”

---Bain & Company managing director Karen Harris, April 9, 2016.

(And if anyone knows anything about vulture economics it would be Bain & Company.)

Edited May 17, 2016 by Publicus

[Harsh Jones]

It looks something like this....quite exactly this in fact...

Export growth stopped in 2012 and had been dropping off since then. Exports went negative early last year. Exports have gone sharply negative since then. Exports won't get any better. Import growth stinks even worse and everyone is still counting.

Manufacturing continues to decline so CCP points to its efforts under Xi Jinping and PM Li Kejiang to increase the services sector which everyone agrees is the key to rebalancing the state enterprise and infrastructure economy to a consumer economy based on rising household income.

Service sector jobs are up and increasing at a steady rate. That's the good news. However, as we well know, good news perpetually has its bad news side.

The bad news in the growth of service sector jobs is the nature of the new and increasing service sector jobs. CCP China now has more hairdressers, street vendors, nurses and the like than ever before. Jobs that pay the same as factory jobs.

The long and the short of it is that the dog continues to chase its tail over there.

“Wealth creation is there to increase the security of the state. If economic reform is seen at a lesser level to enhancing the security of the state, it is going to be sidelined.”

---Bain & Company managing director Karen Harris, April 9, 2016.

(And if anyone knows anything about vulture economics it would be Bain & Company.)

They have a long way to go to catch up to the US. Because you know... cutting hair and tending bar is what powerhouse economies are made of.

US jobs composition chart

Edited May 25, 2016 by Harsh Jones

[Publicus]

Hey Harsh, long time no see...how're u doin these dayze.

Maybe it's past time for youse guyz who are CCP fanboyz to think about throwing in the towel too.

Cause I think I see a white flag being pulled out of a cheap cardboard box.

United States to remain world’s Number 1 power ‘for a fairly long time’: Beijing

Saturday, 21 May, 2016

The United States will remain the world’s leading power for a long time, Foreign Minister Wang Yi said on Friday, but he stressed global affairs should not be dominated by one country.

When asked whether China, the world’s second largest economy, had prepared to replace a declining US as global leader, Wang replied “from what we know about the country, the US will probably remain the world’s No 1 for a fairly long time”.

Wang denied China would “fill the vacuum” in the Middle East after the US withdrew its forces from the region. The people of those nations should work together for a better future, he said, but other countries would help.

http://www.scmp.com/...wer-fairly-long

Just a reminder here Harsh that Daiwa Research has projected minus 20% off CCP GDP growth by 2020. Daiwa spent a lot of time examining CCP's capital position past, present and going forward. Backward actually.

Remaining the world's Number One power and for a long time to come acknowledges a certain supremacy of one economic system over the other -- more specifically, the USA market economy over the CCP's one party state command economy dominated by not reformable state owned and operated conglomerates.

[LawrenceChee]

U guys can stay No 1 if it means interfering at every instance, fighting meaningless wars and having carrot tops as your president

Chinese sends you a red flag go ahead stay no 1

No one envies this ...we are happy with the tag line superpower much cheaper and prestigious

[ExpatOilWorker]

U guys can stay No 1 if it means interfering at every instance, fighting meaningless wars and having carrot tops as your president

Chinese sends you a red flag go ahead stay no 1

No one envies this ...we are happy with the tag line superpower much cheaper and prestigious

China is the No. 1 global polluter, at crown they will probably hang onto for a while. Congratulations!

[LawrenceChee]

Thanks we are working on it and has a faster spent on renewable energy in 2014 than most western countries ...

Won't be Long before we

Give that crown to Uncle Sam as well so that they can be world No 1 in all aspects

[Publicus]

No single or national system of political economy can make 1,300,000,000 people rich.

Or even middle class.

Either or both is beyond even a market system of political economy.

Worse, it is self-destructive of China to have a one party state which owns and operates corporate conglomerates in transportation, communication, production, and which are based on the principle that workers pretend to do work and the state pretends to pay them.

I refer of course the the CCP's Parker Brothers board game money and currency.

CCP has btw devastated the environment. China's air, water, land are thoroughly polluted beyond recovery. CCP in its genius made this disastrous decision 30 years ago. That was when CCP decided to focus on GDP growth only and to concern itself about the environmental consequences later. CCP rationale was that Europe and the US tolerated pollution during its industrial growth, yet have more recently focused on it. One flaw in this lamebrain CCP system of policy and priorities was that the CCP masters of the universe had been looking at the 19th century experience. What CCP did not figure was that while the 19th century was bad enough, it was thoroughly different from post WW2 technologies and economies in Europe and N America and the population had become greater and even more concentrated.

CCP can't reverse the devastation of the environment which indicates its problem across the board in changing and adapting to a means of production that is responsible, efficient, effective, viable, sustainable. That is, all that CCP suddenly does or can do is too little too late. The consequence in the present is that it is game over.

It is a serious mess in the CCP's China but CCP are too vested in their one party state and its monopolies to get the best minds of the world involved to figure out a way to save China.

From itself.

Edited May 26, 2016 by Publicus

[ExpatOilWorker]

Thanks we are working on it and has a faster spent on renewable energy in 2014 than most western countries ...

Won't be Long before we

Give that crown to Uncle Sam as well so that they can be world No 1 in all aspects

Before the 2008 Olympic the propaganda machine was in full swing, promising blue skies over Beijing. Now, nearly 10 years later, the air quality is still worse than what I can produce after a few cans of baked beans. Be my quest and take a few deep breath.

[Berkshire]

U guys can stay No 1 if it means interfering at every instance, fighting meaningless wars and having carrot tops as your president

Chinese sends you a red flag go ahead stay no 1

No one envies this ...we are happy with the tag line superpower much cheaper and prestigious

You've got a point if Trump ever became President. Yes, a global embarrassment. But it's not going to change much of what's really going on in China. I'm actually quite sympathetic to the plight of the Chinese people. But your government is absolutely killing China. There is massive inequality, rampant corruption, poverty, environmental catastrophe, and overpopulation on such a scale that is unmanageable. Doesn't it bother you that Chinese government officials are siphoning the wealth out of China and buying up vast plots of real estate all over the world? If Xi Jinping really wants to get rid of corruption, he would have to replace something like 90% of government officials currently in power.

[LawrenceChee]

U guys can stay No 1 if it means interfering at every instance, fighting meaningless wars and having carrot tops as your president

Chinese sends you a red flag go ahead stay no 1

No one envies this ...we are happy with the tag line superpower much cheaper and prestigious

You've got a point if Trump ever became President. Yes, a global embarrassment. But it's not going to change much of what's really going on in China. I'm actually quite sympathetic to the plight of the Chinese people. But your government is absolutely killing China. There is massive inequality, rampant corruption, poverty, environmental catastrophe, and overpopulation on such a scale that is unmanageable. Doesn't it bother you that Chinese government officials are siphoning the wealth out of China and buying up vast plots of real estate all over the world? If Xi Jinping really wants to get rid of corruption, he would have to replace something like 90% of government officials currently in power.

Ditto for the rest of the world mate ..,let's get realistic here as its one thing to thrive for unity equality but at 1.4 billion people ...countries with lesser people have not found the unicorn / fairy formula for that as yet and China is still grappling with growth issues vs social equality ...that's a big ask and they are like any other government trying to balance it all

As for overpopulation, yes for 1.4 people China suffers the same issues as India does and there is no real solution. Even in many ASEAN countries you can see urban slums and poverty ...and these are 60 million countries ....why slam China alone ? I'm not sure slamming them makes them better

[Berkshire]

U guys can stay No 1 if it means interfering at every instance, fighting meaningless wars and having carrot tops as your president

Chinese sends you a red flag go ahead stay no 1

No one envies this ...we are happy with the tag line superpower much cheaper and prestigious

You've got a point if Trump ever became President. Yes, a global embarrassment. But it's not going to change much of what's really going on in China. I'm actually quite sympathetic to the plight of the Chinese people. But your government is absolutely killing China. There is massive inequality, rampant corruption, poverty, environmental catastrophe, and overpopulation on such a scale that is unmanageable. Doesn't it bother you that Chinese government officials are siphoning the wealth out of China and buying up vast plots of real estate all over the world? If Xi Jinping really wants to get rid of corruption, he would have to replace something like 90% of government officials currently in power.

Ditto for the rest of the world mate ..,let's get realistic here as its one thing to thrive for unity equality but at 1.4 billion people ...countries with lesser people have not found the unicorn / fairy formula for that as yet and China is still grappling with growth issues vs social equality ...that's a big ask and they are like any other government trying to balance it all

As for overpopulation, yes for 1.4 people China suffers the same issues as India does and there is no real solution. Even in many ASEAN countries you can see urban slums and poverty ...and these are 60 million countries ....why slam China alone ? I'm not sure slamming them makes them better

Not slamming China alone. India is way worse-off. Russia is even more corrupt. But China has aspirations to be a superpower. It's possible that in a decade or two, the world can have two superpowers. China needs to move towards more transparency and freedom for the masses. The common Chinese people could be doing so much better if not for the corrupt government officials. Yes, the US has corruption issues as well. But it's systemic in China.

[Publicus]

Chinese never accept any critisism of China or Chinese. They always immediately point the finger elsewhere at other people, societies, countries, places rather than address CCP failures or shortcomings.

Time will make 'em perfect so don't criticise now cause it's only temporary. Despite 5000 years of practice, the Chinese now led by the CCP still believe their own nonsense defenses and deflections remain viable.

So let's take a quick look at reality cause we ain't gonna get any from any CCPs....

[LawrenceChee]

Chinese never accept any critisism of China or Chinese. They always immediately point the finger elsewhere at other people, societies, countries, places rather than address CCP failures or shortcomings.

Time will make 'em perfect so don't criticise now cause it's only temporary. Despite 5000 years of practice, the Chinese now led by the CCP still believe their own nonsense defenses and deflections remain viable.

So let's take a quick look at reality cause we ain't gonna get any from any CCPs....

China has its own way of doing things ....we accept constructive critics and not bashing as bashing does it no good and in Asian culture a loss of face May at times impede a sensible decision

While one can be critical of China ...trying to assist 1.3 billion means there is no real realistic means to eradicate corruption , address income inequality and social injustice ...this is just being pragmatic and practical ...

If we survived 5000 years ...something we are doing must be right ....

[boomerangutang]

U guys can stay No 1 if it means interfering at every instance, fighting meaningless wars and having carrot tops as your president

Chinese sends you a red flag go ahead stay no 1

No one envies this ...we are happy with the tag line superpower much cheaper and prestigious

Being a global superpower can manifest in various ways. By a purely economic yardstick, China qualifies. Its production for export (tho mostly plastic stuff) and amount of money circulating are impressive. Yet, from another perspective, China is far from being a superpower, and I'm not referring to its smog-choked cities. A superpower should get off its tuff and help disadvantaged people/countries worldwide. It should do so without hopes to gain money, but instead for the reward of assisting for humanitarian and environmental reasons. China only seeks to help Chinese in China. It's ironic that Trump is so similar. Everything Trump has done in his long career, has been to assist Trump. It's all about money for China and for Trump. Environmentalist takes a back seat. Same for helping disadvantaged and oppressed.

What has China done for either of the two major migrant crises; Mediterranean or Andaman Seas? What has China done to ease tensions in the Middle East? As for the SCS, China has only created tensions - which may lead to war. What has China done to ease dire problems in many locations within Africa?

What has China done to ease the build-up of the Pacific Trash Vortex? ....currently the size of India, and about 3 meters thick, the plastic ooze is killing a multitude of marine fauna, from microscopic on up to top predators; orcas, tuna, dolphins, turtles, whales, people - each step up the food chain, toxins concentrate at increasing levels.

Answers to all of the above: nothing.

[ExpatOilWorker]

Chinese never accept any critisism of China or Chinese. They always immediately point the finger elsewhere at other people, societies, countries, places rather than address CCP failures or shortcomings.

Time will make 'em perfect so don't criticise now cause it's only temporary. Despite 5000 years of practice, the Chinese now led by the CCP still believe their own nonsense defenses and deflections remain viable.

So let's take a quick look at reality cause we ain't gonna get any from any CCPs....

China has its own way of doing things ....we accept constructive critics and not bashing as bashing does it no good and in Asian culture a loss of face May at times impede a sensible decision

While one can be critical of China ...trying to assist 1.3 billion means there is no real realistic means to eradicate corruption , address income inequality and social injustice ...this is just being pragmatic and practical ...

If we survived 5000 years ...something we are doing must be right ....

7 of the 10 biggest wars by number of casualties have been in China. The 250,000,000 souls slaughtered might feel things wasn't quiet right in little China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll