Thai govt vows actions against all 'Single Gateway' attackers

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Govt vows actions against all "single gateway" attackers
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- All involved in the DDoS (denial of service) attack against government websites would face legal actions, said Government spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd.

"This action is illegal and it leaves officers the traces to find culprits. Actions will be taken against all," he said. Citing several articles in the Computer Crime Act, he urged Thai Internet users not to take part in the campaign.

Last month, a mob tried to flood some government websites with overwhelming traffic, to express their dissatisfaction over the planned "single Internet gateway".

Sansern noted that the issue was discussed at the Cabinet meeting today. Prime Minister Gen Prayut Chan-o-cha insisted that he had never told relevant agencies to proceed with the proposal. The single gateway was just an option proposed during a recent Cabinet meeting, which must be studied for its advantage and disadvantages like other options.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Govt-vows-actions-against-all-single-gateway-attac-30270306.html


-- The Nation 2015-10-06

[clockman]

Good luck with that, they have no idea about the power of the net.

[AGareth2]

over the planned "single Internet gateway".

there we have it

[Hawk]

Dissatifaction in the land of happiness is increasing, farmers, internet users etc

[wxpwzrd]

Experts would have trouble coming down on everyone that was involved in a DDoS. Keystone cops (RTP) and the technology "experts" of Thailand have no chance.

[BigBadGeordie]

Perhaps a new branch of the RTP....F5 Investigation Branch.

[Sam Jones]

Good luck with that - its gonna be like watching an Orangutang work as a dentist ...

[Thian]

Good luck with that - its gonna be like watching an Orangutang work as a dentist ...

They can just see the ip-numbers who all came at the same time, they are logged.

Ask the internetproviders who used the ip-numbers and there are the names....

Even an orangutang can do it.....

[american12bthai]

Dear government, Some of your PC infected with spybot took part in this. The same software you illegally paid a hacker group to make was your own demise. Are your sure you know what you are saying? SO now you are going to punish the people who stood up for the country? lol. Do you understand what will happen next? The government will officially become the enemy of the people. You do understand that the hackers the government hired to make viruses to spy on the thai people are the same ones who made some of the DDOS attacking software? Please, dont open your mouth and say such stupid moronic things. If a single person is punished for this then maybe Individuals in the government will be the next target. If anyone knows anybody who the government is trying to punish can you please inform me. I will be more than happy to defend the weak, poor, and codeless.

[Thailand]

Good luck with that - its gonna be like watching an Orangutang work as a dentist ...

They can just see the ip-numbers who all came at the same time, they are logged.

Ask the internetproviders who used the ip-numbers and there are the names....

Even an orangutang can do it.....

Seriously, ipaddressess,a little research is called for.

[Praematura]

Denial of service attack can be run anywhere in the world by one guy. Thailand can't find a bomber that planted a bombing in the middle if downtown and hoped on a taxi but they are going to find this culprit. Yea right.

[doremifasol]

Catch me if you can?

[kimamey]

Good luck with that - its gonna be like watching an Orangutang work as a dentist ...

I work for a lot of dentists and your idea had got me quite excited.

[Reigntax]

Perhaps a new branch of the RTP....F5 Investigation Branch.

Only if they offer a reward and it will need to be big or many rewards to catch all these Burmese, Malaysian, Turkish and alien hackers. After all a Thai would never do this especially when they are all so happy with the military running the circus.

[bubblegum]

Good luck with that - its gonna be like watching an Orangutang work as a dentist ...

They can just see the ip-numbers who all came at the same time, they are logged.

Ask the internetproviders who used the ip-numbers and there are the names....

Even an orangutang can do it.....

Maybe go back to school and do the second class?

[amerasianex]

Your internet is so slow and unreliable it would take them ten years to mount any attack

On your precious single gateway. And twenty years to try and track them....what a bunch of crap....Just another way to steal money and that's it and that's all this is

[Fat Haggis]

Good luck with that - its gonna be like watching an Orangutang work as a dentist ...

They can just see the ip-numbers who all came at the same time, they are logged.

Ask the internetproviders who used the ip-numbers and there are the names....

Even an orangutang can do it.....

Yep, can you please show us all an orangutan working traces on a computer please. Mind you they have them in Government positions right now , so maybe you do have a point!!!!

[robblok]

Good luck with that - its gonna be like watching an Orangutang work as a dentist ...

They can just see the ip-numbers who all came at the same time, they are logged.

Ask the internetproviders who used the ip-numbers and there are the names....

Even an orangutang can do it.....

Yep, can you please show us all an orangutan working traces on a computer please. Mind you they have them in Government positions right now , so maybe you do have a point!!!!

Any hacker would either use an unsecured network from someone else or hide his / her IP with a VPN. Also usually these attacks are done by unsuspecting computers that have downloaded a virus. The users of those computers don't even know they are doing it. So its not as easy as you think. (comment to Thian).

The hackers are (in general) not stupid and know how to hide their identity.

[eaglesflight]

Never mind the logistics of tracking down those who were responsible. A government with any sense would take a more reconciliatory attitude instead of issuing empty threats. Childish fools.

[docshock13]

Hang on a tick! I thought the govt said there would be no "single gateway" and they are only studying it.

So why the backlash?

Oh wait! The regime got caught out with the publication of the draft order trying to be rammed thru legislature without the public's knowledge.

Either way, the current regime has cooked their own goose. With this current threat they have exposed their true intentions (despite what is dictated to the masses).

Advice to junta: just pick one lie and stick to it.

Things getting from bad to worse with this lot. Denial, paranoia and desperation. Dark times ahead.

[Thian]

Good luck with that - its gonna be like watching an Orangutang work as a dentist ...

They can just see the ip-numbers who all came at the same time, they are logged.

Ask the internetproviders who used the ip-numbers and there are the names....

Even an orangutang can do it.....

Yep, can you please show us all an orangutan working traces on a computer please. Mind you they have them in Government positions right now , so maybe you do have a point!!!!

Any hacker would either use an unsecured network from someone else or hide his / her IP with a VPN. Also usually these attacks are done by unsuspecting computers that have downloaded a virus. The users of those computers don't even know they are doing it. So its not as easy as you think. (comment to Thian).

The hackers are (in general) not stupid and know how to hide their identity.

How do you guys know they were hackers using other people's computers for the DDos? I didn't read that. I thought it was a group of Line-users or so who just all started refreshing that website at the same time.

If it was software specially written to get the website down then it's a much harder case i agree but also much more interesting to solve. Then the general just can hire some specialists to find the hackers.

Oh and i really have seen a video of an orangutan making fire, he learned that from humans around him. I forgot though how he did it but it was in Indonesia iirw.

Edited October 6, 2015 by Thian

[taony]

I'm gonna love the headlines and threads when they try to do this! Will be great entertainment.

[docshock13]

Hang on a tick! I thought the govt said there would be no "single gateway" and they are only studying it.

So why the backlash?

Oh wait! The regime got caught out with the publication of the draft order trying to be rammed thru legislature without the public's knowledge.

Either way, the current regime has cooked their own goose. With this current threat they have exposed their true intentions (despite what is dictated to the masses).

Advice to junta: just pick one lie and stick to it.

Things getting from bad to worse with this lot. Denial, paranoia and desperation. Dark times ahead.

Addendum to previous post:

If any person that has lived in or grew up in a liberal democracy cannot see that the current regime (like other authoritarian regimes before it both in this country and others) is spouting words of benevolence whilst making overt threats and slowly chipping away at the basic rights and freedoms of the citizenry it is a shame.

As others have mentioned before in quite disparate posts, this coup is on a different level. The powers that be are playing for keeps this time on account of the inevitable "event" that may occur in the not too distant future.

While the current regime has brought peace to the streets, it has not brought peace and reconciliation to the nation. The divisions are so deeply rooted in an out-dated caste system that the current regime's political double-speak, distortion of facts and outright contempt for the common man among whom they live and work is only creating a wider chasm in Thai society. They continue to (blindly) underestimate the potential of their citizenry who has moved on (at least in a collective social conscience manner) from feudal times. The regime and their supporters are so disconnected from this fact they cannot see how out of touch they are. They are still relying on the playbook that is nearly 100 years old.

In brief, it is the last "hoorah" for the amart. They know they will never win a legitimate election in a Thailand whose citizenry are becoming more informed, that aspire to improve their lot in life and are the majority.

It is a power and cash grab by the influential (who have recognized that their influence over the country is waning because Thailand and its people are emerging from the 15th century into the 21st century).

I recognize there will be those detractors that claim that PTP, Yingluck, Thaksin, the amnesty bill and the great apocalypse of the rice pledging scheme was no better and led to the current situation and that the junta is an improvement. I am not disputing these points with my comments/observations. Dissenting opinions and intelligent, informed discourse are the foundations of a vibrant democracy as well as an enlightened society that respects all individuals as equals.

So, to pre-empt any "Thaksin this and Yingluck that and the bloodthirsty Red Shirts did this" type of repetitive and circular arguments I share a quote from my Dad (an immigrant from a country under authoritarian rule not unlike this one) when he met natives of my birth country (liberal democracy) that were complaining about the waste, corruption and idiotic policies of the govt: "An imperfect democracy is better than no democracy. If you feel so strongly, exercise your right to vote before you lose it."

Sadly, in the case of Thailand and its people this right that was guaranteed to them under the previous constitution(s) has already been revoked for the foreseeable future. They have been backed into a corner looking down the barrel of a gun.

Tragic.

Edited October 6, 2015 by docshock13

[robblok]

Any hacker would either use an unsecured network from someone else or hide his / her IP with a VPN. Also usually these attacks are done by unsuspecting computers that have downloaded a virus. The users of those computers don't even know they are doing it. So its not as easy as you think. (comment to Thian).

The hackers are (in general) not stupid and know how to hide their identity.

How do you guys know they were hackers using other people's computers for the DDos? I didn't read that. I thought it was a group of Line-users or so who just all started refreshing that website at the same time.

If it was software specially written to get the website down then it's a much harder case i agree but also much more interesting to solve. Then the general just can hire some specialists to find the hackers.

Oh and i really have seen a video of an orangutan making fire, he learned that from humans around him. I forgot though how he did it but it was in Indonesia iirw.

In general DDos attacks are done by botnets, that means a group of infected computers that a single hacker controls. The users of those computers don't even know what is going on. They have downloaded some software in the past or gotten a virus. That has installed a program that lets the hacker use those computers without other user knowing it.

What is a Botnet?

Occasionally referred to as a “zombie army,” a botnet is a group of hijacked Internet-connected devices, each injected with malware used to control it from a remote location without the knowledge of the device’s rightful owner. From the point of view of hackers, these botnet devices are computing resources that can be used for any type of malicious purposes—most commonly for spam or DDoS attacks.

An individual botnet device can be simultaneously compromised by several perpetrators, each using it for a different type of attack and often at the same time. For instance, a malware-infected personal computer could be ordered to rapidly access a website as part of a larger DDoS attack. At the same time it could also be performing vulnerability scans, with its owner browsing the web—unaware of both occurrences.

https://www.incapsula.com/ddos/ddos-attacks/botnet-ddos.html

[robblok]

Hang on a tick! I thought the govt said there would be no "single gateway" and they are only studying it.

So why the backlash?

Oh wait! The regime got caught out with the publication of the draft order trying to be rammed thru legislature without the public's knowledge.

Either way, the current regime has cooked their own goose. With this current threat they have exposed their true intentions (despite what is dictated to the masses).

Advice to junta: just pick one lie and stick to it.

Things getting from bad to worse with this lot. Denial, paranoia and desperation. Dark times ahead.

Addendum to previous post:

If any person that has lived in or grew up in a liberal democracy cannot see that the current regime (like other authoritarian regimes before it both in this country and others) is spouting words of benevolence whilst making overt threats and slowly chipping away at the basic rights and freedoms of the citizenry it is a shame.

As others have mentioned before in quite disparate posts, this coup is on a different level. The powers that be are playing for keeps this time on account of the inevitable "event" that may occur in the not too distant future.

While the current regime has brought peace to the streets, it has not brought peace and reconciliation to the nation. The divisions are so deeply rooted in an out-dated caste system that the current regime's political double-speak, distortion of facts and outright contempt for the common man among whom they live and work is only creating a wider chasm in Thai society. They continue to (blindly) underestimate the potential of their citizenry who has moved on (at least in a collective social conscience manner) from feudal times. The regime and their supporters are so disconnected from this fact they cannot see how out of touch they are. They are still relying on the playbook that is nearly 100 years old.

In brief, it is the last "hoorah" for the amart. They know they will never win a legitimate election in a Thailand whose citizenry are becoming more informed, that aspire to improve their lot in life and are the majority.

It is a power and cash grab by the influential (who have recognized that their influence over the country is waning because Thailand and its people are emerging from the 15th century into the 21st century).

I recognize there will be those detractors that claim that PTP, Yingluck, Thaksin, the amnesty bill and the great apocalypse of the rice pledging scheme was no better and led to the current situation and that the junta is an improvement. I am not disputing these points with my comments/observations. Dissenting opinions and intelligent, informed discourse are the foundations of a vibrant democracy as well as an enlightened society that respects all individuals as equals.

So, to pre-empt any "Thaksin this and Yingluck that and the bloodthirsty Red Shirts did this" type of repetitive and circular arguments I share a quote from my Dad (an immigrant from a country under authoritarian rule not unlike this one) when he met natives of my birth country (liberal democracy) that were complaining about the waste, corruption and idiotic policies of the govt: "An imperfect democracy is better than no democracy. If you feel so strongly, exercise your right to vote before you lose it."

Sadly, in the case of Thailand and its people this right that was guaranteed to them under the previous constitution(s) has already been revoked for the foreseeable future. They have been backed into a corner looking down the barrel of a gun.

Tragic.

Nice post, well written but I don't agree.

I don't agree that an imperfect democratic is better as an autocratic rule. Just look at Irak and Syria for the examples. Before the US meddled there were dictators there (not good at all) but now people are dying by the scores and migrating to Europe. Most things were far better under the autocratic rule. (at least for the majority of people not for the dissidents.). Just look at the monster that was created by the US called ISIS because they wanted oil and were supposed to bring democracy. (not an US bash just stating facts)

Also I don't agree that its a fight between the rich and the poor, its a fight between 2 rich factions, the people backing Thaksin are not poor at all and just an other group that wants to benefit from corruption. In no way is this a struggle between the rich and the poor.

I don't agree with everything the junta does, as a fact there are quite a few things I don't agree with this single gateway is one of them. But overall its better as the imperfect democracy we had before. Though my support is waning as the junta is getting more oppressive just like you are stating if this goes on there soon will be a point where i both dislike them equally. But so far that point is not reached.

For me its the lesser of 2 evils, for others its not.

But as a foreigner I have zero influence just like everyone else here and all we can do is debate it and have some fun doing so.

[MaxLee]

BANGKOK: -- All involved in the DDoS (denial of service) attack against government websites would face legal actions, said Government spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd.

"This action is illegal and it leaves officers the traces to find culprits. Actions will be taken against all," he said. Citing several articles in the Computer Crime Act, he urged Thai Internet users not to take part in the campaign.

IN this case you morons in power would have to arrest the entire nation and conduct mass attitude adjustment, SHUT DOWN the entire network in Thailand, and put the desperate Generation Y kiddies into mass attitude brainwashing adjustment centers....

WOULD YOU DO THAT, YEAH?????!!! GO AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!smileys:

Edited October 7, 2015 by MaxLee

[pogal]

Good luck with that - its gonna be like watching an Orangutang work as a dentist ...

They can just see the ip-numbers who all came at the same time, they are logged.

Ask the internetproviders who used the ip-numbers and there are the names....

Even an orangutang can do it.....

Not if they are all using TOR

[bamnutsak]

Yes, prosecute these people to the full extent of the law.

But let those airport protesters go unpunished.

Amazing how the "rule of law" works here?

[MaxLee]

Well,.... oh I forgot, International and local businesses that use I-N-T-E-R-N-E-T for their daily transaction, you can sue, too, if you like .....

[Thian]

Any hacker would either use an unsecured network from someone else or hide his / her IP with a VPN. Also usually these attacks are done by unsuspecting computers that have downloaded a virus. The users of those computers don't even know they are doing it. So its not as easy as you think. (comment to Thian).

The hackers are (in general) not stupid and know how to hide their identity.

How do you guys know they were hackers using other people's computers for the DDos? I didn't read that. I thought it was a group of Line-users or so who just all started refreshing that website at the same time.

If it was software specially written to get the website down then it's a much harder case i agree but also much more interesting to solve. Then the general just can hire some specialists to find the hackers.

Oh and i really have seen a video of an orangutan making fire, he learned that from humans around him. I forgot though how he did it but it was in Indonesia iirw.

In general DDos attacks are done by botnets, that means a group of infected computers that a single hacker controls. The users of those computers don't even know what is going on. They have downloaded some software in the past or gotten a virus. That has installed a program that lets the hacker use those computers without other user knowing it.

What is a Botnet?

Occasionally referred to as a “zombie army,” a botnet is a group of hijacked Internet-connected devices, each injected with malware used to control it from a remote location without the knowledge of the device’s rightful owner. From the point of view of hackers, these botnet devices are computing resources that can be used for any type of malicious purposes—most commonly for spam or DDoS attacks.

An individual botnet device can be simultaneously compromised by several perpetrators, each using it for a different type of attack and often at the same time. For instance, a malware-infected personal computer could be ordered to rapidly access a website as part of a larger DDoS attack. At the same time it could also be performing vulnerability scans, with its owner browsing the web—unaware of both occurrences.

https://www.incapsula.com/ddos/ddos-attacks/botnet-ddos.html

In general? The general has nothing to do with this. So you're just guessing that a virus did the attack!

There are also websites that one can order to do a DDos-attack or a big group of users can do it manually untill the server goes down. How many users it takes depends on the quality of the server and it's connection.

If a virus did it than still it isn't that hard to find out where it came from. Just look at which programs were installed recently and then find out where they came from. But i doubt it was a virus, i guess it was a group of Line-users who did it together. That's why the General wants the single gateway so he can easy block/prosecute people who organise such things.

Good hackers can also just go into the server remotely, or even bribe the webmaster to give them the password to enter it and turn it off.