Nato ready to send troops to defend Turkey, says Stoltenberg

[FritsSikkink]

Did anyone ask Turkey if it wants or needs the presence of NATO troops now?

It looks like everything is decided in Washington.

America always knows better?

America wants to rule the World?

Yes AMerica Australia and Uk are the barins its no secret and we have the superior back up

We also are the ones that go war and help others

What do others do FA

yes you are the ones who start all those wars.

[GeorgesAbitbol]

Did anyone ask Turkey if it wants or needs the presence of NATO troops now?

It looks like everything is decided in Washington.

America always knows better?

America wants to rule the World?

Yes AMerica Australia and Uk are the barins its no secret and we have the superior back up

We also are the ones that go war and help others

What do others do FA

When you say "we" you mean "not me" right?

Please let me know why you not go to war with the Saoudi who helped for the 9.11.

Explain me why "you" didn't take care of Boko Haram ?

Tell me why "you" don't take care of North Korea?

Tell me why "you" don't clean your mess in Irak first?

Anyway the spin doctors medecine works quite well on you. Sleep tight buddy, if you think " you go anywhere in the world to help anybody, except your own interests I guess there is nothing more to help you heal...

[bassman]

Russia only had two military bases outside of the country before invading Ukraine, one in Crimea (now conquered land) and one in Syria. Without Assad's Syria they will have no bases outside of Russia. Putin is grasping for his last international outpost.

What Putin, Assad and the ayahollah from Iran are doing is preparing for the partition of Syria with their alliance keeping the Mediterranean base, the majority areas of the Shiites and their ability to send weapons of hate to Hezbollah.

Brilliant move on the part of Putin, but will wait to see if Russia has the funds to continue a prolonged engagement.

Good seeing the Free Syrian Army destroying those Russian tanks with TOW missiles on BBC today. Let them pay.

[GeorgesAbitbol]

Russia only had two military bases outside of the country before invading Ukraine, one in Crimea (now conquered land) and one in Syria. Without Assad's Syria they will have no bases outside of Russia. Putin is grasping for his last international outpost.

What Putin, Assad and the ayahollah from Iran are doing is preparing for the partition of Syria with their alliance keeping the Mediterranean base, the majority areas of the Shiites and their ability to send weapons of hate to Hezbollah.

Brilliant move on the part of Putin, but will wait to see if Russia has the funds to continue a prolonged engagement.

Good seeing the Free Syrian Army destroying those Russian tanks with TOW missiles on BBC today. Let them pay.

By "free Syrian Army" you mean Affiliates of Al Qaeda, you know that?

The same who wants the USA down, the same who plotted the 9.11 with the good ol' friends the Saoudi?

In Syria there was 12% od Christian, I guess where they will go once the "free Army" will be in power....

Curious to see the videos of the Tanks hit by TOW...cannot find any news about this on BBC, can you provide a link please?

Edited October 9, 2015 by GeorgesAbitbol

[Publicus]

Turkey has been a member of NATO since 1952.

Yes, everyone knows that.

But is it an excuse to ignore Turkey's opinion?

Do you think that if Turkey is a member of NATO, it is supposed to obey orders from Washington?

Ask the people of Turkey.

The referendum is necessary!

Turkey is a long standing member of Nato and it more than welcomes Nato forces to join its own forces near the border with Syria. Wild assertions to the contrary would need to be documented; cited.

The Russian fighter jets crossed in to Turkey at the province of Hatay which is in a long term dispute between Syria and Turkey. Which is why Nato rejects Putin claims the border violation was an accident. Now that Russian fighter jets have three times violated the Turkey border and airspace over Hatay Putin can convince only his fanboyz the three incidents of provocation and intimidation were accidental.

Turkey media reported yesterday a massive refugee presence in Turkey was activated to move in to Europe just before Putin announced his air strikes in Syria against US and Nato supported rebels.

All the signs show that Russia was already planning to get more involved in Syria and the refugee influx accelerated the process. My intelligence sources tell me that hundreds of Al-Muhabarat agents and informers are actively present in Turkey.

Former U.S. Ambassador Jim Jeffrey, in his latest article for the Washington Institute, stressed the symbolism of Russian overflights over Hatay.

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/content/us-sends-another-war-ship-mediterranean-protect-turkey-nato-allies

[h90]

Russia only had two military bases outside of the country before invading Ukraine, one in Crimea (now conquered land) and one in Syria. Without Assad's Syria they will have no bases outside of Russia. Putin is grasping for his last international outpost.

What Putin, Assad and the ayahollah from Iran are doing is preparing for the partition of Syria with their alliance keeping the Mediterranean base, the majority areas of the Shiites and their ability to send weapons of hate to Hezbollah.

Brilliant move on the part of Putin, but will wait to see if Russia has the funds to continue a prolonged engagement.

Good seeing the Free Syrian Army destroying those Russian tanks with TOW missiles on BBC today. Let them pay.

Crimea was not conquered, the people voted to go BACK to Russia.

Free Syrian Army (Al Quaida and friends) is destroying Syrian tanks produced in Russia. Not Russian owned tanks.Russia is not (or not yet) going in on the ground.

[Publicus]

it won't be long until we have Nato/US targeting Russian aircraft, I predicted quite a while ago that Russia would get directly involved in the Middle East and that it would escalate from there, looks like Russia wants a war with the west and are now pushing limits with that aim, they have been proding defence networks for some time now

and their ship launched cruise missiles hit the wrong country ? ahem

you mean the USA wants a war with Russia

Given Russia attacked Iran with four cruise missiles it could appear the ayatollahs are all talk about defending their homeland against foreign attacks. Those robes they wear are beginning to look like prom gowns.

The Tehran A's are sending a group of about 2000 at the most of fierce fighters who as with their forces sent in 2013 look like they're going to be drivers, cooks, towel boyz cause Tehran is not sending any tanks, no artillery, no armed personnel vehicles, no missiles -- nothing heavy except the Iranian soldiers mustaches. No wonder Putin bombed 'em. Even though Vlad denies doing it.

[khunken]

Much of this wouldn't have been necessary if Turkey had made a real effort to tackle the ISIS & Al-Nusra. Just because the Kurds were fighting against the invading Daesh, Turkey - who has an awful record of attacking the Kurds - has overtly pretended to be against Daesh and covertly supported them. They are two-faced.

NATO would be better off staying as far as possible away from Syria after their disastrous, lying destruction of Libya.

BTW of course Russia is targetting any militia that is against Assad. Stoltenburg would be more constructive by telling his bosses in Washington to either shut up or come to an arrangement with the Russians who are doing what others have failed to do.

[Publicus]

Russia only had two military bases outside of the country before invading Ukraine, one in Crimea (now conquered land) and one in Syria. Without Assad's Syria they will have no bases outside of Russia. Putin is grasping for his last international outpost.

What Putin, Assad and the ayahollah from Iran are doing is preparing for the partition of Syria with their alliance keeping the Mediterranean base, the majority areas of the Shiites and their ability to send weapons of hate to Hezbollah.

Brilliant move on the part of Putin, but will wait to see if Russia has the funds to continue a prolonged engagement.

Good seeing the Free Syrian Army destroying those Russian tanks with TOW missiles on BBC today. Let them pay.

By "free Syrian Army" you mean Affiliates of Al Qaeda, you know that?

The same who wants the USA down, the same who plotted the 9.11 with the good ol' friends the Saoudi?

In Syria there was 12% od Christian, I guess where they will go once the "free Army" will be in power....

Curious to see the videos of the Tanks hit by TOW...cannot find any news about this on BBC, can you provide a link please?

Here's one of 'em earlier in Red Square where the cobblestones were too much for it to handle....

One of the new T-14 tanks is displayed during the final rehearsal of the Victory Day parade ahead

of celebrations to mark the 70th anniversary of the 1945 victory over Nazi Germany and the end

of World War II on 7 May 2015 in Moscow, Russia. Alexander Aksakov/Getty Images

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/russias-new-armata-tank-breaks-down-in-rehearsal-for-debut-parade-10232605.html

Edited October 9, 2015 by Publicus

[Barin]

Much of this wouldn't have been necessary if Turkey had made a real effort to tackle the ISIS & Al-Nusra. Just because the Kurds were fighting against the invading Daesh, Turkey - who has an awful record of attacking the Kurds - has overtly pretended to be against Daesh and covertly supported them. They are two-faced.

NATO would be better off staying as far as possible away from Syria after their disastrous, lying destruction of Libya.

BTW of course Russia is targetting any militia that is against Assad. Stoltenburg would be more constructive by telling his bosses in Washington to either shut up or come to an arrangement with the Russians who are doing what others have failed to do.

Yes, that is correct.

America has lost its face again.

America and NATO have proved to be absolutely useless and incapable of fighting ISIS in Syria.

A complete failure!

[Publicus]

Much of this wouldn't have been necessary if Turkey had made a real effort to tackle the ISIS & Al-Nusra. Just because the Kurds were fighting against the invading Daesh, Turkey - who has an awful record of attacking the Kurds - has overtly pretended to be against Daesh and covertly supported them. They are two-faced.

NATO would be better off staying as far as possible away from Syria after their disastrous, lying destruction of Libya.

BTW of course Russia is targetting any militia that is against Assad. Stoltenburg would be more constructive by telling his bosses in Washington to either shut up or come to an arrangement with the Russians who are doing what others have failed to do.

Still trying to get the United States to surrender to Russia in Syria I see.

We will see soon, perhaps by the end of next week, whether the remnants of the Syrian army supported by Russian air forces can drive the rebels out of their positions in the central areas of the country. The campaign is underway now. The rebel groups have all year fought with unprecedented cooperation and effectiveness to reduce the Syrian army to around 80,000 from its 300,000 of five years ago. More than 40 rebel groups are united against this new Russian-Syrian armed forces offensive.

If the offensive fails Putin and Iran are going to have to throw their own forces into the mix, which means Russian casualties and Russian rubles. Even if the offensive has success, there are a lot more rebels and a lot more territory for the Russian-Syrian forces to move through.

Which raises the question of how many missiles Putin has left to scatter throughout Iran.

Washington can sit tight for a while cause the heat is on Putin and Assad. You can bet the farm the United States won't be handing its sword over to the Russians.

[Barin]

it won't be long until we have Nato/US targeting Russian aircraft, I predicted quite a while ago that Russia would get directly involved in the Middle East and that it would escalate from there, looks like Russia wants a war with the west and are now pushing limits with that aim, they have been proding defence networks for some time now

and their ship launched cruise missiles hit the wrong country ? ahem

On 08 Octover 2015, CNN reported that four of the 26 missiles fired from Russian warships in the Caspian Sea went off target and crashed in Iran. That report was based on anonymous Pentagon sources, who despite claiming to have evidence of the targeting malfunction, could not identify where, precisely, the missiles landed. "No matter how unpleasant and unexpected for our colleagues in the Pentagon and Langley was yesterday's high-precision strike on Islamic State infrastructure in Syria, the fact remains that all missiles launched from our ships have found their targets," ministry's spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/club.htm

[Barin]

Some more details of the missiles:

https://www.google.com/search?q=SS-N-27+%C2%ABSizzler%C2%BB&num=40&lr=&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAmoVChMI1fGTyaK1yAIVUEyOCh2LGQKO&biw=1280&bih=823

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[khunken]

Much of this wouldn't have been necessary if Turkey had made a real effort to tackle the ISIS & Al-Nusra. Just because the Kurds were fighting against the invading Daesh, Turkey - who has an awful record of attacking the Kurds - has overtly pretended to be against Daesh and covertly supported them. They are two-faced.

NATO would be better off staying as far as possible away from Syria after their disastrous, lying destruction of Libya.

BTW of course Russia is targetting any militia that is against Assad. Stoltenburg would be more constructive by telling his bosses in Washington to either shut up or come to an arrangement with the Russians who are doing what others have failed to do.

Still trying to get the United States to surrender to Russia in Syria I see.

We will see soon, perhaps by the end of next week, whether the remnants of the Syrian army supported by Russian air forces can drive the rebels out of their positions in the central areas of the country. The campaign is underway now. The rebel groups have all year fought with unprecedented cooperation and effectiveness to reduce the Syrian army to around 80,000 from its 300,000 of five years ago. More than 40 rebel groups are united against this new Russian-Syrian armed forces offensive.

If the offensive fails Putin and Iran are going to have to throw their own forces into the mix, which means Russian casualties and Russian rubles. Even if the offensive has success, there are a lot more rebels and a lot more territory for the Russian-Syrian forces to move through.

Which raises the question of how many missiles Putin has left to scatter throughout Iran.

Washington can sit tight for a while cause the heat is on Putin and Assad. You can bet the farm the United States won't be handing its sword over to the Russians.

Still twisting what I say, I see. Coming to an arrangement is rather different to surrendering but I suppose to the US-is-the-master boyz every other country must be told what to do.

Yes all those rebel militias including the Al-Qaeda group, the ISIS group, the Islamists group and those supported by neocons and right-wing 'think-tanks' are doing a great job - in reality setting up Syria for another failed state. It's a dirty war and Russia may well not solve it successfully but at least they are trying, unlike the left out cry babies.

A poster asked for evidence of Russian tanks being blown up by some militia and you posted a totally irrelevant photo of a tank in Moscow. Methinks you are only trying to distract the thread with half-cocked and full-cocked responses.

[Barin]

Much of this wouldn't have been necessary if Turkey had made a real effort to tackle the ISIS & Al-Nusra. Just because the Kurds were fighting against the invading Daesh, Turkey - who has an awful record of attacking the Kurds - has overtly pretended to be against Daesh and covertly supported them. They are two-faced.

NATO would be better off staying as far as possible away from Syria after their disastrous, lying destruction of Libya.

BTW of course Russia is targetting any militia that is against Assad. Stoltenburg would be more constructive by telling his bosses in Washington to either shut up or come to an arrangement with the Russians who are doing what others have failed to do.

Still trying to get the United States to surrender to Russia in Syria I see.

We will see soon, perhaps by the end of next week, whether the remnants of the Syrian army supported by Russian air forces can drive the rebels out of their positions in the central areas of the country. The campaign is underway now. The rebel groups have all year fought with unprecedented cooperation and effectiveness to reduce the Syrian army to around 80,000 from its 300,000 of five years ago. More than 40 rebel groups are united against this new Russian-Syrian armed forces offensive.

If the offensive fails Putin and Iran are going to have to throw their own forces into the mix, which means Russian casualties and Russian rubles. Even if the offensive has success, there are a lot more rebels and a lot more territory for the Russian-Syrian forces to move through.

Which raises the question of how many missiles Putin has left to scatter throughout Iran.

Washington can sit tight for a while cause the heat is on Putin and Assad. You can bet the farm the United States won't be handing its sword over to the Russians.

Still twisting what I say, I see. Coming to an arrangement is rather different to surrendering but I suppose to the US-is-the-master boyz every other country must be told what to do.

Yes all those rebel militias including the Al-Qaeda group, the ISIS group, the Islamists group and those supported by neocons and right-wing 'think-tanks' are doing a great job - in reality setting up Syria for another failed state. It's a dirty war and Russia may well not solve it successfully but at least they are trying, unlike the left out cry babies.

A poster asked for evidence of Russian tanks being blown up by some militia and you posted a totally irrelevant photo of a tank in Moscow. Methinks you are only trying to distract the thread with half-cocked and full-cocked responses.

Yes, khunken, I totally agree with you on everything you say!

We can see now how many people on Thaivisa Forum condemn America and support Russia!

America lovers and NATO admirers are certainly in the minority.

Even though there are very few Russians on this Forum (less than 0.1%).

the left out cry babies...

[Publicus]

Much of this wouldn't have been necessary if Turkey had made a real effort to tackle the ISIS & Al-Nusra. Just because the Kurds were fighting against the invading Daesh, Turkey - who has an awful record of attacking the Kurds - has overtly pretended to be against Daesh and covertly supported them. They are two-faced.

NATO would be better off staying as far as possible away from Syria after their disastrous, lying destruction of Libya.

BTW of course Russia is targetting any militia that is against Assad. Stoltenburg would be more constructive by telling his bosses in Washington to either shut up or come to an arrangement with the Russians who are doing what others have failed to do.

Still trying to get the United States to surrender to Russia in Syria I see.

We will see soon, perhaps by the end of next week, whether the remnants of the Syrian army supported by Russian air forces can drive the rebels out of their positions in the central areas of the country. The campaign is underway now. The rebel groups have all year fought with unprecedented cooperation and effectiveness to reduce the Syrian army to around 80,000 from its 300,000 of five years ago. More than 40 rebel groups are united against this new Russian-Syrian armed forces offensive.

If the offensive fails Putin and Iran are going to have to throw their own forces into the mix, which means Russian casualties and Russian rubles. Even if the offensive has success, there are a lot more rebels and a lot more territory for the Russian-Syrian forces to move through.

Which raises the question of how many missiles Putin has left to scatter throughout Iran.

Washington can sit tight for a while cause the heat is on Putin and Assad. You can bet the farm the United States won't be handing its sword over to the Russians.

Still twisting what I say, I see. Coming to an arrangement is rather different to surrendering but I suppose to the US-is-the-master boyz every other country must be told what to do.

Yes all those rebel militias including the Al-Qaeda group, the ISIS group, the Islamists group and those supported by neocons and right-wing 'think-tanks' are doing a great job - in reality setting up Syria for another failed state. It's a dirty war and Russia may well not solve it successfully but at least they are trying, unlike the left out cry babies.

A poster asked for evidence of Russian tanks being blown up by some militia and you posted a totally irrelevant photo of a tank in Moscow. Methinks you are only trying to distract the thread with half-cocked and full-cocked responses.

Putin is the guy dancing the twist and playing ice hockey on his 63rd birthday which explained why I'd thought the tv was showing a slow motion replay of a guy skating alone with no other players in sight or anywhere near him. Sort of like the way Putin plays chess with a loaded pistol on the table. Putin's motto is to never enter a fair fight.

Vlad needs a short not too expensive military campaign that ends pretty quickly in some decisive way.

Rotsa ruck and bon chance.

[khunken]

Much of this wouldn't have been necessary if Turkey had made a real effort to tackle the ISIS & Al-Nusra. Just because the Kurds were fighting against the invading Daesh, Turkey - who has an awful record of attacking the Kurds - has overtly pretended to be against Daesh and covertly supported them. They are two-faced.

NATO would be better off staying as far as possible away from Syria after their disastrous, lying destruction of Libya.

BTW of course Russia is targetting any militia that is against Assad. Stoltenburg would be more constructive by telling his bosses in Washington to either shut up or come to an arrangement with the Russians who are doing what others have failed to do.

Still trying to get the United States to surrender to Russia in Syria I see.

We will see soon, perhaps by the end of next week, whether the remnants of the Syrian army supported by Russian air forces can drive the rebels out of their positions in the central areas of the country. The campaign is underway now. The rebel groups have all year fought with unprecedented cooperation and effectiveness to reduce the Syrian army to around 80,000 from its 300,000 of five years ago. More than 40 rebel groups are united against this new Russian-Syrian armed forces offensive.

If the offensive fails Putin and Iran are going to have to throw their own forces into the mix, which means Russian casualties and Russian rubles. Even if the offensive has success, there are a lot more rebels and a lot more territory for the Russian-Syrian forces to move through.

Which raises the question of how many missiles Putin has left to scatter throughout Iran.

Washington can sit tight for a while cause the heat is on Putin and Assad. You can bet the farm the United States won't be handing its sword over to the Russians.

Still twisting what I say, I see. Coming to an arrangement is rather different to surrendering but I suppose to the US-is-the-master boyz every other country must be told what to do.

Yes all those rebel militias including the Al-Qaeda group, the ISIS group, the Islamists group and those supported by neocons and right-wing 'think-tanks' are doing a great job - in reality setting up Syria for another failed state. It's a dirty war and Russia may well not solve it successfully but at least they are trying, unlike the left out cry babies.

A poster asked for evidence of Russian tanks being blown up by some militia and you posted a totally irrelevant photo of a tank in Moscow. Methinks you are only trying to distract the thread with half-cocked and full-cocked responses.

Putin is the guy dancing the twist and playing ice hockey on his 63rd birthday which explained why I'd thought the tv was showing a slow motion replay of a guy skating alone with no other players in sight or anywhere near him. Sort of like the way Putin plays chess with a loaded pistol on the table. Putin's motto is to never enter a fair fight.

Vlad needs a short not too expensive military campaign that ends pretty quickly in some decisive way.

Rotsa ruck and bon chance.

I feel sorry for your repetitive 'but Putin' mantra.

As for Russia being a bully, some hypocrisy coming from a supporter of the world's no. 1 bully. As the US found in Ukraine, they-re not dealing with a 10-stone weakling this time.

[ABCer]

Want to hear another "prophesy" re: ISIS, Turkey, NATO?

Hope our Mods do not take it as trolling or inciting violence - I am merely trying to logically project events of today onto tomorrow.

Scenario: Military convoy of ISIS runs for cover across the dotted line into Turkey. Russian air force in hot pursuit fires and gets the target across the border.

Or calls for a rocket strike from Black Sea, Caspian Sea or Mediterranean.

Bingo! An act of aggression! Or simply "killing them in the toilet"? And who serves as a "toilet"?

I do not like such a possibility, but it exists!

BTW, I can't but notice calls here "to deal with Russia with full force". Historically thinking - a very dangerous advice.

Edited October 10, 2015 by ABCer

[Credo]

Want to hear another "prophesy" re: ISIS, Turkey, NATO?

Hope our Mods do not take it as trolling or inciting violence - I am merely trying to logically project events of today onto tomorrow.

Scenario: Military convoy of ISIS runs for cover across the dotted line into Turkey. Russian air force in hot pursuit fires and gets the target across the border.

Or calls for a rocket strike from Black Sea, Caspian Sea or Mediterranean.

Bingo! An act of aggression! Or simply "killing them in the toilet"? And who serves as a "toilet"?

I do not like such a possibility, but it exists!

BTW, I can't but notice calls here "to deal with Russia with full force". Historically thinking - a very dangerous advice

....Or they could notify the Turks, or NATO to take them out.

[Scott]

Having worked along the Turkish border, you rest assured that any convey of anybody trying to get across the Turkish border is going to be dealt with pretty quickly. The Turks do not take kindly to border incursions.

[konying]

Did anyone ask Turkey if it wants or needs the presence of NATO troops now?

It looks like everything is decided in Washington.

America always knows better?

America wants to rule the World?

I also did not realize Turkey was under any threat.

Last time Turkey was under any threat from ISIS, I do not recall US NATO offering to send any troops.

[konying]

Did anyone ask Turkey if it wants or needs the presence of NATO troops now?

It looks like everything is decided in Washington.

America always knows better?

America wants to rule the World?

Yes AMerica Australia and Uk are the barins its no secret and we have the superior back up

We also are the ones that go war and help others

What do others do FA

Superior back up

Did you mean the ones who start wars and drag others into it?

[ABCer]

it won't be long until we have Nato/US targeting Russian aircraft, I predicted quite a while ago that Russia would get directly involved in the Middle East and that it would escalate from there, looks like Russia wants a war with the west and are now pushing limits with that aim, they have been proding defence networks for some time now

and their ship launched cruise missiles hit the wrong country ? ahem

you mean the USA wants a war with Russia

Given Russia attacked Iran with four cruise missiles it could appear the ayatollahs are all talk about defending their homeland against foreign attacks. Those robes they wear are beginning to look like prom gowns.

The Tehran A's are sending a group of about 2000 at the most of fierce fighters who as with their forces sent in 2013 look like they're going to be drivers, cooks, towel boyz cause Tehran is not sending any tanks, no artillery, no armed personnel vehicles, no missiles -- nothing heavy except the Iranian soldiers mustaches. No wonder Putin bombed 'em. Even though Vlad denies doing it.

Now, Publicus, I notice you are a great stickler for 'formalities'. A shameless lie was published about some of the Russian rockets falling in Iran. Both Russia and Iran deny this.

Eagerness in using such information in your posts here... I am really at a loss for definition...

You must be a day dreamer trying to pass your sweet dreams for reality, a provocateur or simply prone to uphold lies appealing to your fancy.

Your elation and hand clapping "No wonder Putin bombed 'em. " would have been a shame even if this was a true fact.

I think you disgrace yourself by your emotional inappropriate gloating.

[Barin]

it won't be long until we have Nato/US targeting Russian aircraft, I predicted quite a while ago that Russia would get directly involved in the Middle East and that it would escalate from there, looks like Russia wants a war with the west and are now pushing limits with that aim, they have been proding defence networks for some time now

and their ship launched cruise missiles hit the wrong country ? ahem

you mean the USA wants a war with Russia

Given Russia attacked Iran with four cruise missiles it could appear the ayatollahs are all talk about defending their homeland against foreign attacks. Those robes they wear are beginning to look like prom gowns.

The Tehran A's are sending a group of about 2000 at the most of fierce fighters who as with their forces sent in 2013 look like they're going to be drivers, cooks, towel boyz cause Tehran is not sending any tanks, no artillery, no armed personnel vehicles, no missiles -- nothing heavy except the Iranian soldiers mustaches. No wonder Putin bombed 'em. Even though Vlad denies doing it.

Now, Publicus, I notice you are a great stickler for 'formalities'. A shameless lie was published about some of the Russian rockets falling in Iran. Both Russia and Iran deny this.

Eagerness in using such information in your posts here... I am really at a loss for definition...

You must be a day dreamer trying to pass your sweet dreams for reality, a provocateur or simply prone to uphold lies appealing to your fancy.

Your elation and hand clapping "No wonder Putin bombed 'em. " would have been a shame even if this was a true fact.

I think you disgrace yourself by your emotional inappropriate gloating.

Yes, absolutely right. Very well said!

[craigt3365]

Russia only had two military bases outside of the country before invading Ukraine, one in Crimea (now conquered land) and one in Syria. Without Assad's Syria they will have no bases outside of Russia. Putin is grasping for his last international outpost.

What Putin, Assad and the ayahollah from Iran are doing is preparing for the partition of Syria with their alliance keeping the Mediterranean base, the majority areas of the Shiites and their ability to send weapons of hate to Hezbollah.

Brilliant move on the part of Putin, but will wait to see if Russia has the funds to continue a prolonged engagement.

Good seeing the Free Syrian Army destroying those Russian tanks with TOW missiles on BBC today. Let them pay.

Crimea was not conquered, the people voted to go BACK to Russia.

Free Syrian Army (Al Quaida and friends) is destroying Syrian tanks produced in Russia. Not Russian owned tanks.Russia is not (or not yet) going in on the ground.

Crimea was invaded and taken over. A legitimate vote never occurred. Plus, it's up to the legitimate government of Ukraine to even have such a vote. Can't be done with guns to people's heads.

[craigt3365]

Now, Publicus, I notice you are a great stickler for 'formalities'. A shameless lie was published about some of the Russian rockets falling in Iran. Both Russia and Iran deny this.

Eagerness in using such information in your posts here... I am really at a loss for definition...

You must be a day dreamer trying to pass your sweet dreams for reality, a provocateur or simply prone to uphold lies appealing to your fancy.

Your elation and hand clapping "No wonder Putin bombed 'em. " would have been a shame even if this was a true fact.

I think you disgrace yourself by your emotional inappropriate gloating.

Even Russian officials are admitting mistakes can be made! LOL

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/8/9482023/russia-missiles-iran-crash

"We are basically novices in this type of war," said Ruslan Pukhov, a defense expert and director of the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, in an interview. "And when you are a novice, you are doomed to commit some kinds of mistakes. Hopefully not deadly ones, but obviously there is a risk of casualties."

[ABCer]

Did anyone ask Turkey if it wants or needs the presence of NATO troops now?

It looks like everything is decided in Washington.

America always knows better?

America wants to rule the World?

I also did not realize Turkey was under any threat.

Last time Turkey was under any threat from ISIS, I do not recall US NATO offering to send any troops.

Dear friends.

I am not arguing against your posts.

I am afraid you misinterpret the OP

"NATO ready to send troops to defend Turkey, says Stoltenberg"

IMHO the correct interpretation is " NATO (meaning USA) is ready to send troops to defend Turkey (meaning against Russian bombings of ISIS on its territory) who is supporting ISIS.

A cumbersome phrase. The essence you will understand better when you see what is sent to Turkey for protection. My logic says it should be "Patriots" or equivalent.

Edited October 10, 2015 by ABCer

[craigt3365]

Did anyone ask Turkey if it wants or needs the presence of NATO troops now?

It looks like everything is decided in Washington.

America always knows better?

America wants to rule the World?

I also did not realize Turkey was under any threat.

Last time Turkey was under any threat from ISIS, I do not recall US NATO offering to send any troops.

Dear friends.

I am not arguing against your posts.

I am afraid you misinterpret the OP

"NATO ready to send troops to defend Turkey, says Stoltenberg"

IMHO the correct interpretation is " NATO (meaning USA) is ready to send troops to defend Turkey (meaning against Russian bombings of ISIS on its territory) who is supporting ISIS.

A cumbersome phrase. The essence you will understand better when you see what is sent to Turkey for protection. My logic says it should be "Patriots" or equivalent.

Just a clarification. A majority of the Russian efforts are not against ISIS. They are against the anti government rebels. And the current secretary general of NATO is from Norway, not the US.

Interesting analysis here. Basically saying Russia isn't in this for the long term (even their officials say this). Just trying to get Assad back into a position where he can negotiate. This has nothing to do with ISIS, as Russia initially stated. Misinformation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russias-military-is-unlikely-to-turn-the-tide-in-syrias-war/2015/10/03/1b9fff04-686a-11e5-bdb6-6861f4521205_story.html

But Russia probably isn’t seeking such long-term goals and instead will probably try to broker a peace deal, he said.

“Russia cannot take back the whole Syrian land,” Yevseyev said. “Russia wants to take out some of these radicals and then move on to peaceful and organized talks in Geneva.”

Alexei Pushkov, head of the foreign affairs committee in Russia’s lower house of parliament, told a French radio station on Friday that Russian strikes were expected to last only for a few months. “In Moscow, we are talking about an operation of three to four months,” he said.

[Barin]

Just a clarification. A majority of the Russian efforts are not against ISIS. They are against the anti government rebels. And the current secretary general of NATO is from Norway, not the US.

Interesting analysis here. Basically saying Russia isn't in this for the long term (even their officials say this). Just trying to get Assad back into a position where he can negotiate. This has nothing to do with ISIS, as Russia initially stated. Misinformation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russias-military-is-unlikely-to-turn-the-tide-in-syrias-war/2015/10/03/1b9fff04-686a-11e5-bdb6-6861f4521205_story.html

I don't think you are right.

What you are saying is a typical American propaganda, as always without any proof.

99% of sources indicate that the main target of the Russian strikes is in fact the so called "Islamic State".

This is a primary target!

The anti-government rebels are the secondary target, and they must be destroyed as well.

Because they are terrorists and they want to overthrow the legitimately and democratically elected President of Syria.

This is a request by the Syrian government, not the sole initiative of Moscow.

I would like to refer everyone to the brilliant post of the respected Cashboy

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/861360-syria-we-believe-that-russia-has-the-wrong-strategy-says-us/?p=9941464

I shall make a few points.

Assad was a democratically elected prime minister of Syria.

I have read at least one person state that the majority of people didn't vote for him and so it was not democratic.

Then you can argue that 80% of the elected prime ministers are not democratically elected. Take the UK with Cameron as prime minister whom's party only got 36% of the vote.

The USA basically only has a choice of two parties (virtually the same) so clearly there is a majority.

I would suggest you ask any Syrian whether they were better off with asad running the country than how it became after the protests.

How the Syrian problem came about

Basically Qatar and Saudi wanted to build an oil/gas pipeline to West Europe through Syria and Turkey.

USA corporations would have got the contract.

Russia would have lost exports of oil and gas to western Europe.

Asad was asked by Saudi, Qatar and US to let them build a pipe line through Syria. Asked by Saudi, then USA government. Asad said NO !

It was decided that Asad had to go as he was not co-operating, much like Egypt, Iraq and Libyan leaders.

So the CIA trained up, armed and gave Saudi cash to some people to act as rebels / protesters against Syria.

They started to protest but unfortunately Asad fought back (probably with Russian help) and they were unable to bring down Asad.

These rebels gave up fighting Asad, but with CIA supplied equipment and Saudi money decided to call themselves ISIL and go and in effect loot Iraq. The result was that they took control of some oil fields and sold the oil and had even more money to continue.

USA had left things continue because it was a satisfactory position for USA

1) Syria was in economic crisis (like they did to Egypt, Iraq and Libya)

2) USA thought the price of oil would go up meaning fracking in the USA would be competitive (break even price for oil production is a barrel of oil being US$75)

3) liked the idea of Syrians fleeing to the EC creating economic and political problems in the EC.

Russian Involvement

Putin has basically, as usual, played a nice strategic game.

Putin wants the price of oil and gas to go up as it is important for the economy of Russia.

Putin has now told the world that he is sorting out ISIL because the USA clearly cannot. The fact is that the USA doesn't want the crisis to end (read reasons given above) and this is clear from:

1) how quickly ISIL are running from Syria within one week of Russia getting involved and yet USA could not get rid of ISIL in more than three years.

2) USA and the west are not helping Russia.

I would think that Putin's plan is to push ISIL into Iraq. Iraq then ask Russia and Iran help them to get rid of ISIL. Russia and Iran will then push ISIL into Saudi Arabia.

ISIL may well then wipe out the Saudi king and family and Saudi will be in a mess and the rebels will control the Saudi oil.

This is a win win situation for Russia as the price of oil will go up.

I would think that the USA might be considering starting WW3 as this would hide the embarrassment of losing the Middle East situation and would also be a good cover up for the economic crisis / financial turmoil that may well hit the USA economy in the coming months.

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craigt3365.

I am aware of your correction facts. I know Stoltenberg is military genius cum great administrator of NATO cum Norwegian.

You in turn should be aware that Putin NEVER mentioned Assad as an absolute precondition to co-operation. He shows much more and better diplomatic skills than Obama.

Putin's position is clear - let the Syrian People decide. Or let UN decide, - but not Obama. And this can be done only AFTER restoring peace in the country. Hard to beat position, eh?

Putin justly considers Assad at this moment the only cohesive force in Syria. There is simply nobody else on a horizon. I wish the alternative Obama's position was as clear.

I in turn wonder how can anybody sitting in Washington, Brussels, Moscow or even Thailand decide and distinguish the colours of all those underdogs from ISIS.

Their only allegiance is to Allah, Shariat Law, beheadings, rape, slavery and expansion. Don't take my word on this - just look around!

To me the only good terrorist is a dead one. In which particular order will Russians eliminate them is of no importance to me or most normal people without special agenda. Not so to Obama.

Thus - 'protection' of Turkey! Turkey needs no protection from Russia. Their economic, diplomatic and political ties were good and still are. Except on the Erdogan's position on ISIS.

And once again Putin clearly demanded Turkey to stop their support.

One more correction to your post: Russia has come back to Middle East. And is not going to go away. I only hope that it will not continue the old USSR politics of cultivation of instability.

I do not see any need for more instability cultivated by USA in the region.

As to American attempts to export their model of Democracy in this region - no comments even needed.

Edited October 10, 2015 by ABCer