Cooling: Air vs. Water (Thailand Specific)

[deecypher]

Hi all,

Looking at picking up a new small cc bike for town. I see that many of the cheaper bikes are air-cooled, like the Yamaha Fino, GT125, Filano, whereas the Yamaha Mio, Honda Click are liquid. I can read for days the difference, but I'm looking for actual in-country experience.

I would think it's just too damn hot for air-cooling to be effective, especially when idling or in traffic. Am I wrong?

[ktm jeff]

Both engine types are designed to "cope" with high temperatures , however the liquid cooled bikes seem to "cope" better. As they are more expensive they are often fuel injected and give better economy and service life. Have a look at the Yamaha Exciter , or the other Yamaha models.

[papa al]

Ya, all good.

[kiniyow]

Have seen air cooled bikes run for 100,000 KM with no problems....Just as good as water cooled and less expensive usually

[thehelmsman]

Seems that water cooled is just one more thing to go wrong.

[BSJ]

The air cooled models are extensively tested in Outback Australia.

[AllanB]

Honda Wave.........Say no more.

[VIPinthailand]

if you want keep your bike long term, keep it out of the sun when parked

Edited November 3, 2015 by VIPinthailand

[papa al]

In BKK papa rode on a Wave110fi taxi showing 160,000.

2.5 years in service.

Driver said no problems ever.

Bike looked nice and ran strong.

The 110cc red\black kick-start version is the best seller.

Nicest styling/lines among the underbones, IpO.

#1 in wwwhat.ever

[AllanB]

Standard Wave 110 drum brakes 34,000 brand new, just down to the shops, or Bangkok to Roveniemi, why buy anything else?

[Gonsalviz]

I just bought a Yamaha GT 125. Way cheaper than Honda Click 125 and seems to be a way better engineered piece of equipment.

Any way back to the OP. Aircooled has to be good. Haven't you seen the Thais stop and get off while they still run?

[deecypher]

I just bought a Yamaha GT 125. Way cheaper than Honda Click 125 and seems to be a way better engineered piece of equipment.

Any way back to the OP. Aircooled has to be good. Haven't you seen the Thais stop and get off while they still run?

Thanks for your reply! Can you elaborate on how you think the GT 125 is better engineered? The two bikes are my top choice, although I was leaning towards the Click simply due to the water cooling.

[Namplik]

Way cheaper but that was only a special offer for october right?

[deecypher]

Got the Click today. Happy so far, except for the seat latch isn't great.

[MAZ3]

Way cheaper but that was only a special offer for october right?

Just asked Yamaha Square in Kanchanaburi and 43,500B,still the same price as last month.

Thats the standard price, here anyway.

Edited November 7, 2015 by MAZ3

[AllanB]

MrsB's son bought a Click...it leaked.

[ktm jeff]

^ Bike , or son ?.

[jackcorbett]

Got the Click today. Happy so far, except for the seat latch isn't great.

Two out of two rentals, one in Pattaya and one on Koh Larne Island had very inferior seat latches. Both rentals were of the latest model Click and both were very low mileage.

One thing I've noticed about the new Yamaha N-Max, and that is the seat latch is very great. I will have to do a video review on this bike soon, even if I can't find a rental right now.

[papa al]

That would be very great if you would do a review even if you can't find one to rent, Jack.

Very great!

Edited November 8, 2015 by papa al

[Namplik]

Way cheaper but that was only a special offer for october right?

Just asked Yamaha Square in Kanchanaburi and 43,500B,still the same price as last month.

Thats the standard price, here anyway.

Its a good price indeed, I thought it was a limited offer. I dont read thai but maybe some clarification on this picture?

[MAZ3]

Way cheaper but that was only a special offer for october right?

Just asked Yamaha Square in Kanchanaburi and 43,500B,still the same price as last month.

Thats the standard price, here anyway.

Its a good price indeed, I thought it was a limited offer. I dont read thai but maybe some clarification on this picture?

It's says opening price across Thailand until the end of October,but I asked the owner of Yamaha Square yesterday and she said its still the same price.

I thought she said 43,500,but maybe it was 43,000. Didn't really look that closely as they were closing. I'll try and confirm tomorrow.

Edited November 8, 2015 by MAZ3

[MAZ3]

Way cheaper but that was only a special offer for october right?

Double checked today at Yamaha Square Kanchanaburi and she is selling the GT125 at 43,000,with 5 year warranty and free Labour on servicing(just pay for oil and any parts) for life.

This price is for the foreseeable future,she doesn't know what other dealers are doing.

Edited November 9, 2015 by MAZ3

[MAZ3]

Some technical info and other colours,by the way.

I'm not connected in anyway to this company,apart from buying a Spark last year for the Missus and had excellent service from them.

She also speaks perfect English.

Edited November 9, 2015 by MAZ3

[MAZ3]

Not sure if this is allowed,if not please feel free to delete.

But its been a pleasure dealing with this Lady and her staff.

[AllanB]

I think that is a good idea, to praise good people....mame and shame the bad ones too.

Edited November 10, 2015 by AllanB

[papa al]

You are a great guy Allan.B.

[AllanB]

You are a great guy Allan.B.

I know..... I used to be conceited, but now I am perfect.