Anti-semitic French comedian Dieudonné forced to leave Thailand

[candide]

Never heard him, and never heard of him, but is he anti-semitic, as in anti-Jewish? Or anti-Israel? While there is no doubt that either would get the Israeli ambassador's knickers in a twist, there is a huge difference.

Both

[Wilsonandson]

Semetic comedians don't worry, your safe.

[Alwyn]

a great advocate for peace?...

How some people can say that, he publicly denies the holocaust and it's ok for you to have some people like that doing shows around the world saying this?....

Please share with us any links/articles, where "he publicly denied the holocaust" ... you won't find any.

If he had, it's a serious offense in France:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayssot_Act

There are plenty of articles regarding this, even on his own wiki page he describes the holocaust as "memory pornography" for Jews. It's one of the reasons he served prison time in Belgium and is banned from the UK. He is a promoter of terrorism and hatred.

There is none. If he had denied the holocaust, he would have been easily convicted for this in France. He has not been convicted for this.

The "Memory pornography" quote, does not in any way means he denied the holocaust.

Again, a video of him visiting Auschwitz:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8699c_dieudonne-a-auschwitz_webcam

You have the right not to like his humour (assuming you understand French) or his position on certain topics, but have the intellectual honesty of not repeating incorrect facts or ... pure lies.

Let's talk about intellectual honesty. When this guy invites Robert Faurisson onto the stage and tells the audience to applaud him. is he not accepting and endorsing Faurisson's own view? Honestly? Or do you think it's funny, a good joke? This person has been banned from entering the UK, served time in Belgium, suspended sentence in France, is under arrest in HK because of his anti-semitic "humour" which everybody else (except a few people like you) brands as promoting terror and incitement to hatred. If he'd been shut up a lot of people wouldn't be dead and the World would be a different place

Edited February 1, 2016 by seedy
OP request

[Thorgal]

Next concept is "invisible to you antisemitic" concept :-)

More precisely you could define OP in legal terms as 'presumption of culpability'...

Guilt remains invisible.

[Norvid 1950]

Out of all world words two are prohibited by NON JEW, they are JEW and ISRAEL. Those who spell them are labeled suspects &/or antisemites. However vice versa are always welcomed by worldwide press.

[manarak]

Anyway, I say good on Thailand for doing the right thing and booting out that troublemaker!

I am curious. He was planning to do the show in French, I assume?

So there are enough Francophones in Phuket who dig the Quenelle to support such a show?

From what I can read on the internet from the French community in Phuket, it seems there are quite a number of "French" people there whose views are similar to Dieudonné's

[candide]

Anyway, I say good on Thailand for doing the right thing and booting out that troublemaker!

I am curious. He was planning to do the show in French, I assume?

So there are enough Francophones in Phuket who dig the Quenelle to support such a show?

From what I can read on the internet from the French community in Phuket, it seems there are quite a number of "French" people there whose views are similar to Dieudonné's

It's not astonishing. There are also plenty of French people who share the view of French extreme-right Marine Le Pen on arabs and moslems. Some also think the former Ministry of Justice (she's black) should go back to her tree and eat bananas. Unfortunately, no country is imune to racism and stupidity.

.

What amazes me, when I see all the arab and black people rejoicing at Dieudonné's antisemistic jokes, is that they don't understand that the next victims of racism may well be themselves. It has already (re)started in France with a resurgence of hatred against arabs and moslems after the terrorist attacks.

[Phatbeets]

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Props to Thai authority for having more judgement ability than a lot of smart dumb western peeps on this forum.

End of the story

[katana]

He's almost as bad as Charlie Hebdo.

Charlie hebdo was great, they went a bit too far sometimes, but were great anyway....and I miss there sense of humour...!!! witch was only comprehensive to real French speakers.

There was no other equivalent in the world to Charlie Hebdo....

We could use it here to change things a bit.....

Regards.

The online satirical magazine Vive Charlie was born out of that:

http://www.joomag.com/magazine/vive-charlie-issue-24/0816094001453199917?short

[candide]

He's almost as bad as Charlie Hebdo.

Charlie hebdo was great, they went a bit too far sometimes, but were great anyway....and I miss there sense of humour...!!! witch was only comprehensive to real French speakers.

There was no other equivalent in the world to Charlie Hebdo....

We could use it here to change things a bit.....

Regards.

The online satirical magazine Vive Charlie was born out of that:

http://www.joomag.com/magazine/vive-charlie-issue-24/0816094001453199917?short

I doubt the dead (or alive) members of Charlie Hebdo would approve this one.

The spirit of Charlie Hebdo was to criticise/mock various abuses, excesses and hypocisis resulting from religions. They never excusively focused on the moslem religion and were targeting all religions, and most of all the Christian religion which is dominant in France. And religion was only one topic among others, the main topic being politics. This Vive Charlie seems to be quasi-exclusively focused on criticising Islam.

Despite the claimed filiation, I don't see the spirit of Charlie Hebdo in this initiative, nor its sense of humour.

[manarak]

Anyway, I say good on Thailand for doing the right thing and booting out that troublemaker!

I am curious. He was planning to do the show in French, I assume?

So there are enough Francophones in Phuket who dig the Quenelle to support such a show?

From what I can read on the internet from the French community in Phuket, it seems there are quite a number of "French" people there whose views are similar to Dieudonné's

It's not astonishing. There are also plenty of French people who share the view of French extreme-right Marine Le Pen on arabs and moslems. Some also think the former Ministry of Justice (she's black) should go back to her tree and eat bananas. Unfortunately, no country is imune to racism and stupidity.

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What amazes me, when I see all the arab and black people rejoicing at Dieudonné's antisemistic jokes, is that they don't understand that the next victims of racism may well be themselves. It has already (re)started in France with a resurgence of hatred against arabs and moslems after the terrorist attacks.

consequences of wrong policies for too many years...

http://www.english.rfi.fr/france/20160122-fourth-member-frances-secularism-comittee-resigns-protest

[ffaarraanngg]

The man is a holocaust denier a promoter of hatred and religious bigotry.

Good riddance.

The belief in free speech is much more important than what an individual thinks.

Your ilk won't be happy until we're all brainwashed by the MSM, and shout Obama is wonderful, Trump is evil.

[jayboy]

Never heard him, and never heard of him, but is he anti-semitic, as in anti-Jewish? Or anti-Israel? While there is no doubt that either would get the Israeli ambassador's knickers in a twist, there is a huge difference.

Actually less than you suggest.In fact it is part of the Jew hater's mantra to make this argument.Google for example the views of the nauseatingly unpleasant though not unintelligent Jew hater Charles Frith who is constantly trying to make this distinction.

Typically the Internet Jew haters combine quite plausible trenchant criticisms of Israeli policy (with which reasonable people might agree) with racial caricatures which would not be out of place in Nazi Germany.

Often it's just a matter of tone.

[inaktive]

Anyway, I say good on Thailand for doing the right thing and booting out that troublemaker!

I am curious. He was planning to do the show in French, I assume?

So there are enough Francophones in Phuket who dig the Quenelle to support such a show?

From what I can read on the internet from the French community in Phuket, it seems there are quite a number of "French" people there whose views are similar to Dieudonné's

It's not astonishing. There are also plenty of French people who share the view of French extreme-right Marine Le Pen on arabs and moslems. Some also think the former Ministry of Justice (she's black) should go back to her tree and eat bananas. Unfortunately, no country is imune to racism and stupidity.

.

What amazes me, when I see all the arab and black people rejoicing at Dieudonné's antisemistic jokes, is that they don't understand that the next victims of racism may well be themselves. It has already (re)started in France with a resurgence of hatred against arabs and moslems after the terrorist attacks.

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So far in france the "democatic parties" managed to keep the far right "FN" out of power but it does look like this year perhaps was the last time they managed that ... in the last votes FN did score around 40% of the voters in the secondary votings and only because the rest did everywhere manage to just field one candidate a landslide victory was stopped. Give them one more terrorist attack and its will be 51+% FN and the french voting system pretty much gives them free reign to do what they want !

But the problem is they (the french arabs) dont believe anything can happen to them. They remind me of "arabs and turks" in germany that say that now they are around 5 million and they are so many nothing can happen ... DELETED And i see no Superpower doing anything should because they all have problem with their muslims (ok the americans not but they believe they have them) and i dont see russia ( 20 years terrorist wars in the south ), China (already in a semi war in several provinces) , France ( every night fighting some some suburbs ) , UK ( already having sharia courts in some towns and many unhappy voters ) or the USA say a word if someone starts to "fix" that problem. Even the superliberal Countries like Sveden have enough of that DELETED

Edited February 1, 2016 by seedy
racist / troll / flaming

[singa-traz]

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There is none. If he had denied the holocaust, he would have been easily convicted for this in France. He has not been convicted for this.

The "Memory pornography" quote, does not in any way means he denied the holocaust.

Again, a video of him visiting Auschwitz:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8699c_dieudonne-a-auschwitz_webcam

You have the right not to like his humour (assuming you understand French) or his position on certain topics, but have the intellectual honesty of not repeating incorrect facts or ... pure lies.

Let's talk about intellectual honesty. When this guy invites Robert Faurisson onto the stage and tells the audience to applaud him. is he not accepting and endorsing Faurisson's own view? Honestly? Or do you think it's funny, a good joke? This person has been banned from entering the UK, served time in Belgium, suspended sentence in France, is under arrest in HK because of his anti-semitic "humour" which everybody else (except a few people like you) brands as promoting terror and incitement to hatred. When Hitler was persecuting Jews and gipsies people like you stood and did nothing - freedom of speech, right? If he'd been shut up a lot of people wouldn't be dead and the World would be a different place

I have to assume you are not French nor speak French, as you will have a different understanding on the event where he invited Robert Faurisson on stage.

You may find this of poor taste, but In no way did he mentioned he supported the opinion of Faurisson regarding "denying the holocaust".

You keep repeating he is an holocaut denier, have proof, but if it was true, he would have been convicted for this in France, which he has not.

As for telling me what I would have done during Hitler's time, be cautious about what you write or imply.

Edited February 1, 2016 by singa-traz

[Bluespunk]

The man is a holocaust denier a promoter of hatred and religious bigotry.

Good riddance.

The belief in free speech is much more important than what an individual thinks.

Your ilk won't be happy until we're all brainwashed by the MSM, and shout Obama is wonderful, Trump is evil.

Utter nonsense.

Clearly you have already been brainwashed by the foaming at the mouth, rabid right.

[seedy]

many post Edited / Hidden. Keep the Racist, Bickering, Personal attacks off this thread or face Suspension. Many Warnings already to stay on Topic.

[HooHaa]

Good. Happy to hear Thailand kicked out that horrible Jew hater.

he don't look like a frenchman to me, more like an african negro from nigeria however with all the immigration mess going on in france, i suppose it could be possible.

There is always one who comes up with this remark, and rightly so, because we all know that every french citizen is lily white.

[NCC1701A]

"Not giving up, Ambassador Roded wrote to Phuket’s governor, copying in Thailand’s prime minister and foreign minister."

Phuket’s governor:

"What Anti-Semitic mean? anybody know? These stupid buffalo Farangs are driving me crazy!"

[bhatmasterson]

Good. Happy to hear Thailand kicked out that horrible Jew hater.

he don't look like a frenchman to me, more like an african negro from nigeria however with all the immigration mess going on in france, i suppose it could be possible.

Just out of curiosity, what is an African negro?

[petermach]

The article written by mister Itamar Eichner in Chiangrai times ,you refer to, is a mixture of half truth and omissions . Dieudonné denounces the utilization of the shoa made by the state of Israel to justify its policy in Palestine and this, helped woldwide by a strong loby.

Reminder Israel is occupying for more than 50 years and stealing land from another country regularly and continuoiusly see this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement .

It does not respect even basic international laws .This country is able to bomb civilians , schools , hospitals ,

it wants to completely annex palestine and does want peace at all, otherwise it would not continue to steel land to make new settlements (New ones have been signed last week)The result is the future looks like to be an apartheid system .

Its lobby is so powerful that they never get international sanctions and are not sue for crime against humanity.Its lobby is so powerful that they can even push a country to kick out an humorist who speaks out loud about a scandal which should have been stop for long time.

To concluse I recomend the site "Ynetnews" which help to undestand the subjectivity of the article written by Mister Itamar Eichner.

Dieudonné is against Israel state policy not against jewish people It is the same for many Rabbis in US and even inside Israel and he is one of the best french humorists.

[jacky54]

Occupying land taken as a result of repeated attacks is not stealing. If they had never been attacked they would not be there. They left the Gaza strip and look what happened. Israel is entitled to defend it's self and the old he's not against Jews just the Israeli govt is a worn out excuse for hating Israel and what it stands for.

[chilli42]

Seems in this politically correct world, only Jews get to make jokes about Jews, blacks about blacks and well of course the Irish are fair game. The comedy show does not seem like it would be a sell out crowd and nothing to be bothered seeing. That said its really f_~ked up that you expell someone from you country because another country does not like their humor. Political correctness is now the banner for the lefties to silence freedom of speech.

[candide]

The article written by mister Itamar Eichner in Chiangrai times ,you refer to, is a mixture of half truth and omissions . Dieudonné denounces the utilization of the shoa made by the state of Israel to justify its policy in Palestine and this, helped woldwide by a strong loby.

Reminder Israel is occupying for more than 50 years and stealing land from another country regularly and continuoiusly see this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement .

It does not respect even basic international laws .This country is able to bomb civilians , schools , hospitals ,

it wants to completely annex palestine and does want peace at all, otherwise it would not continue to steel land to make new settlements (New ones have been signed last week)The result is the future looks like to be an apartheid system .

Its lobby is so powerful that they never get international sanctions and are not sue for crime against humanity.Its lobby is so powerful that they can even push a country to kick out an humorist who speaks out loud about a scandal which should have been stop for long time.

To concluse I recomend the site "Ynetnews" which help to undestand the subjectivity of the article written by Mister Itamar Eichner.

Dieudonné is against Israel state policy not against jewish people It is the same for many Rabbis in US and even inside Israel and he is one of the best french humorists.

He's just been convicted 6 times by French courts for racism and incitation to racial hate.

[hughben]

So, there were French speaking people expected to show up for his show or he was to do it in English or Arabic (I assume he can speak Arabic)?

[hughben]

Occupying land taken as a result of repeated attacks is not stealing. If they had never been attacked they would not be there. They left the Gaza strip and look what happened. Israel is entitled to defend it's self and the old he's not against Jews just the Israeli govt is a worn out excuse for hating Israel and what it stands for.

So, when will Israel de-occupy then?

[freedom4life]

"Dieudonné, 50, is also an actor and political activist. In addition to his anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist comments, he has also denied the Holocaust and expressed pro-Palestinian views."

Double-Speak in action...anti this and anti that...There is no such thing as a Semitic race as, equally, there is no such thing as an Aryan race. Both terms have been twisted and corrupted by those who wish to re-invent them for their own disreputable agendas. Anti-Zionist? Actually Zionism is a political movement or philosophy..

In Germany in the 1930s, an ‘Aryan’ was, ostensibly, a non-Jewish German. It had no scientific basis whatsoever but it entered the National Socialist lexicon simply as a form of German national identity in opposition to the existence of the Jewish population. The designation was never specific for the simple reason that it had no legitimacy in anthropological terms.

However, the term ‘Semitic’ had a far more wide-ranging impact. The idea that the Jews are a Semitic race became popularized at a time when others wanted to give Jews a racial identity. The fact is, the Jews are not a race, as such, but composed of different strands, the main one having no connection at all to the ancient wandering tribes of the deserts of the Holy Land. The main strand being the central European Ashkenazim, descended from the Khazars, a people of Finno-Turkic stock that flourished around the Caspian Sea area in the Middle Ages. A mass conversion to Judaism occurred for what were fundamentally political reasons.

Zionism is a 19th century political secular philosophy that based its arguments on the idea that ‘anti-Semitism’ was not only endemic in Europe but is a congenital hereditary disease that infects all Gentiles. They claim it is incurable. Therefore Jews could never be assimilated and needed a homeland in which they would be safe from this dangerous disease, ‘anti-Semitism’. The fact that many European Jews succeeded in assimilating was ignored.

This is not to say that Jewish communities in Eastern Europe and Russia were not persecuted. There were many other persecuted minority groups but the Zionist Jews wanted to be considered a special case ... unique, in fact.

Throughout history you will find entire nations and many religious groups persecuted and the victims of genocide ... from North and South America, along with Africa, to the religious persecutions of Europe with no connection at all to the Jewish experience. We continue to witness genocide in the world today, including the oppression of the Palestinians by the Israeli Zionists. Torture and murder are integral to Israeli state policy.

‘Anti-Semitism’ has been elevated to a very special position and this position allows the Zionists to wield enormous clout. The slightest criticism of Jewish influence in Hollywood, of world Jewry or of Israeli state policy, is deemed ‘anti-Semitic’ and the consequences for many can mean imprisonment or, at least, the loss of a career and any real worthwhile future.

European Action does not do the Holocaust for two reasons. One, it had nothing to do with Britain, thus the British people have no blood on their hands, and second, we will not give the oxygen of publicity to the Zionist propaganda machine that uses the Holocaust as a form of blackmail against those that dare to criticise Israel. Indeed, it appears that being pro-Palestinian is now deemed to be ‘anti-Semitic’. So-called Holocaust denial also falls into the Zionist trap.

In the end, it is the age old cry of the oppressor....I believe most are starting to see through this smokescreen.

Edited February 2, 2016 by freedom4life

[hawker9000]

"Anti-Zionism" is, or perhaps always was, merely the Arab codeword for anti-Semitic. Jew- hating lies deep in the Arab DNA (as it seems in the DNA of some posting here on TV as well), and they have no compunction about use of the term themselves, but are aware of western scruples and so defer to western Jew-hating preference for "anti-Zionism". The agenda for the destruction of Israel and elimination of Jews remains transparent.

[freedom4life]

Having him banned only serves to increase his attraction and appeal. It's better to let him appear as though he is of no consequence.

They cannot afford to let him be...people will start questioning the party-line.

[candide]

"Dieudonné, 50, is also an actor and political activist. In addition to his anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist comments, he has also denied the Holocaust and expressed pro-Palestinian views."

Double-Speak in action...anti this and anti that...There is no such thing as a Semitic race as, equally, there is no such thing as an Aryan race. Both terms have been twisted and corrupted by those who wish to re-invent them for their own disreputable agendas. Anti-Zionist? Actually Zionism is a political movement or philosophy..

In Germany in the 1930s, an Aryan was, ostensibly, a non-Jewish German. It had no scientific basis whatsoever but it entered the National Socialist lexicon simply as a form of German national identity in opposition to the existence of the Jewish population. The designation was never specific for the simple reason that it had no legitimacy in anthropological terms.

However, the term Semitic had a far more wide-ranging impact. The idea that the Jews are a Semitic race became popularized at a time when others wanted to give Jews a racial identity. The fact is, the Jews are not a race, as such, but composed of different strands, the main one having no connection at all to the ancient wandering tribes of the deserts of the Holy Land. The main strand being the central European Ashkenazim, descended from the Khazars, a people of Finno-Turkic stock that flourished around the Caspian Sea area in the Middle Ages. A mass conversion to Judaism occurred for what were fundamentally political reasons.

Zionism is a 19th century political secular philosophy that based its arguments on the idea that anti-Semitism was not only endemic in Europe but is a congenital hereditary disease that infects all Gentiles. They claim it is incurable. Therefore Jews could never be assimilated and needed a homeland in which they would be safe from this dangerous disease, anti-Semitism. The fact that many European Jews succeeded in assimilating was ignored.

This is not to say that Jewish communities in Eastern Europe and Russia were not persecuted. There were many other persecuted minority groups but the Zionist Jews wanted to be considered a special case ... unique, in fact.

Throughout history you will find entire nations and many religious groups persecuted and the victims of genocide ... from North and South America, along with Africa, to the religious persecutions of Europe with no connection at all to the Jewish experience. We continue to witness genocide in the world today, including the oppression of the Palestinians by the Israeli Zionists. Torture and murder are integral to Israeli state policy.

Anti-Semitism has been elevated to a very special position and this position allows the Zionists to wield enormous clout. The slightest criticism of Jewish influence in Hollywood, of world Jewry or of Israeli state policy, is deemed anti-Semitic and the consequences for many can mean imprisonment or, at least, the loss of a career and any real worthwhile future.

European Action does not do the Holocaust for two reasons. One, it had nothing to do with Britain, thus the British people have no blood on their hands, and second, we will not give the oxygen of publicity to the Zionist propaganda machine that uses the Holocaust as a form of blackmail against those that dare to criticise Israel. Indeed, it appears that being pro-Palestinian is now deemed to be anti-Semitic. So-called Holocaust denial also falls into the Zionist trap.

In the end, it is the age old cry of the oppressor....I believe most are starting to see through this smokescreen.

You may discuss as long as you want on the meaning of antisemitism. Racism has a clear definition, in particular a judicial one, and it's independent of which particular religious or ethnic group is targeted.

Dieudonné has been convicted of racism and incitation to racial hate, using the same definition as used against people who have been convicted for racism against Arabs or against black people.