Appeals Court drops alleged unlawful 2010 military crackdown case against Abhisit and Suthep

[Raymonddiaz]

There are two sides in Thailand politic. The loved ones ( the dems) and the not loved ones ( the reds). Lucky for them.

[robblok]

This appeal decision just reinforces a basic fault in the Thai judicial system and its laws.

People acting as public officials are not held to the same judicial process as people who act as individuals.

The disparity between the two judicial systems is further exacerbated by much weaker penalties for public officials than for individuals.

The standards of Justice should apply equally to all peoples, regardless of their employment.

No it shows that they just went to the wrong court, they should have gone to the same court that is now doing the YL case

The Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions

[ddavidovsky]

What's going on is so transparent it is farcical. They've kept up the charade for so long and with such dogged persistence that one suspects they've succeeded in fooling even themselves.

[LannaGuy]

What a shocker!!!

But the reasoning is sound, they were not private persons they were government employees. Just a fail by whoever filed the charge.

We also know why the chargers were filed.. to make the amnesty for Thaksin possible.. he thought to blackmail them into supporting the amnesty.

oh you mean like Yingluck and the rice scheme? ah yea i get it pathetic HYPOCRISY

[Basil B]

Total wast of tax payers money...

Suppose the cretins will appeal to the Supreme Court.

[jesimps]

What a shocker!!!

But the reasoning is sound, they were not private persons they were government employees. Just a fail by whoever filed the charge.

We also know why the chargers were filed.. to make the amnesty for Thaksin possible.. he thought to blackmail them into supporting the amnesty.

There's me thinking it was the govt leaders and military who were responsible for taking the lives of 90-odd people. Now I read it was a ploy to use later so that the PAD leaders could be charged to smooth the way for Thaksin's amnesty.

I've seen thousands of "but but Thaksin..." posts on here but that one takes the buscuit.

Some farang are beyond despicable.

[jesimps]

Reasonable outcome which should come as no surprise when looking at justification was to "restore peace and order in the country" When one looks at what the UDD element did before a single bullet was fired by the military to squash the uprising one can understand that peace and order was already spiralling out of control and would have kept getting worse had the military not stepped in. Harsh words, tear gas and rubber bullets certainly didn't work and the lethargy of the govt in fact made the UDD element more brazen,

When looking at the violence perpetrated by the UDD before a single bullet was fired one could surmise that Ahbisit and Suthep should answer as to why they did not react sooner and harder to the violence instead of letting it spiral out of control to the point they did.

Anyway, a just and reasonable outcome in this instance. Well done to them both.

The Kraken wakes!!!

[MZurf]

Reasonable outcome which should come as no surprise when looking at justification was to "restore peace and order in the country" When one looks at what the UDD element did before a single bullet was fired by the military to squash the uprising one can understand that peace and order was already spiralling out of control and would have kept getting worse had the military not stepped in. Harsh words, tear gas and rubber bullets certainly didn't work and the lethargy of the govt in fact made the UDD element more brazen,

When looking at the violence perpetrated by the UDD before a single bullet was fired one could surmise that Ahbisit and Suthep should answer as to why they did not react sooner and harder to the violence instead of letting it spiral out of control to the point they did.

Anyway, a just and reasonable outcome in this instance. Well done to them both.

Anyone who says well done to Suthep is beyond contempt.

[jesimps]

This is the reason I thought the charges were ridiculous in the first place So why put everyone through this Circus. Just don't charge them in the beginning

What a waist of court costs and manpower AMAZING THAILAND

These charges were ridiculous and should never have been brought. They were simply doing their job of stopping the 'red' murders from escalating and were perfectly within their rights and powers to do so, so hard luck Thaksin - no charges against Abhisit and Suthep AND your ploy of getting a blanket amnesty was blown out of the water!! Loser!! .

The job of govt leaders is to quell protests using minimum force, hence the army warning to the PTP govt during the last upheaval. It isn't their job to order a mass killing.

They should be taken to The Hague and tried by a court that isn't made up of their drinking buddies.

[ianf]

Reasonable outcome which should come as no surprise when looking at justification was to "restore peace and order in the country" When one looks at what the UDD element did before a single bullet was fired by the military to squash the uprising one can understand that peace and order was already spiralling out of control and would have kept getting worse had the military not stepped in. Harsh words, tear gas and rubber bullets certainly didn't work and the lethargy of the govt in fact made the UDD element more brazen,

When looking at the violence perpetrated by the UDD before a single bullet was fired one could surmise that Ahbisit and Suthep should answer as to why they did not react sooner and harder to the violence instead of letting it spiral out of control to the point they did.

Anyway, a just and reasonable outcome in this instance. Well done to them both.

Long time no propaganda from you. Have you been sick recently during all the bad news about the current government?

This was not propaganda. This seems to be a well-argued and well-presented post. Could do with more of that around here!

[pookiki]

Dems in trouble with demonstrations, the army comes out in force to support the government and uses lethal force to keep the government in power. PTP in trouble with demonstrations, the army does ****all except wait in the wings to bring the government down through a coup d'etat.

No double standard?? The problem is that the people keep electing the wrong people to political office.

[ianf]

This is the reason I thought the charges were ridiculous in the first place So why put everyone through this Circus. Just don't charge them in the beginning

What a waist of court costs and manpower AMAZING THAILAND

These charges were ridiculous and should never have been brought. They were simply doing their job of stopping the 'red' murders from escalating and were perfectly within their rights and powers to do so, so hard luck Thaksin - no charges against Abhisit and Suthep AND your ploy of getting a blanket amnesty was blown out of the water!! Loser!! .

The job of govt leaders is to quell protests using minimum force, hence the army warning to the PTP govt during the last upheaval. It isn't their job to order a mass killing.

They should be taken to The Hague and tried by a court that isn't made up of their drinking buddies.

There is no evidence that they ordered a "mass killing". Such a line is straight out of the red book but doesn't represent the facts as are known.

[ianf]

These filthy murderous scumbags need to be imprisoned for life.

Not an erudite post! Why so much repressed anger from you when in fact your words could not be further from the truth. The ruling Government of the day showed great restraint, time and again, but were constantly attacked. Many of th 90+ deaths were caused by the reds and their allies and yet I doubt whether you would call them "murderous scumbags". So hardly a balanced view from you.

[jesimps]

Re Yingluk and the rice scam------------------will the ruling likely be the same... that she acted as an authorised official empowered by laws, and not as an individual?

"The Appeals Court reasoned that Mr Abhisit and Mr Suthep issued the crackdown order in their capacity as prime minister and deputy prime minister in charge of the Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) in order to restore peace and order in the country.

Therefore they issued crackdown orders not as individuals but as authorised officials empowered by laws.

Therefore their orders were lawful and were not considered power abuses as they were charged"

A predictable and just outcome for them and a predictable argument from the UDD apologists:

The answer is this: It was reasonable for them to restore order under the circumstances. It was not reasonable for her to never attend one meeting of a body that she was chair of and instead try to "shoot the messenger" instead of investigate the corruption allegations when told of them. There are also irregularities of the budgeting in the face of the known failure of the scheme & her lack total of provision to pay the rice debtors on time. I guess we will have to see what else they have to show as evidence of avoidable (deliberate, known??) negligence.

I know the UDD/Redshirt/PTP apologists want to dress these two cases up to look the same but they are as different as chalk & cheese. I'm sorry boys! They are altogether different circumstances, similar only in your hopeful eyes.

Yes, one's mass murder the other's a poorly thought out scheme.

[donsonny]

Not surprised. People can shoot and kill much as they want. Long as it the right ones doing it and the right on ordering it. When belonging to the Elite they certainly can do whatever they what,

[mrrizzla]

Djjamie is still here? Thought he disappeared after constant daily stories of his beloved junta utterly embarrassing themselves and the country on a daily basis.

[Hawk]

Yellow friends of the yellow army.

[Dogmatix]

It's ridiculous that the case ever went to court. It was very clear at the time that the DSI had no jurisdiction, since they were acting as govt officials not as private individuals. Since the Yingluck govt had the DSI in its pocket with the repulsive Tarit as director-general, they took advantage of that to pursue a totally frivolous case that had no chance of success but was designed to tie the defendants up in legal knots.

Now Tarit is being tried for corruption himself and Yingluck is being tried in the proper place, i.e. the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders. Som nam naa.

[sawadee1947]

is there anybody who did NOT expect that....?

[MZurf]

A coup then would have prevented the carnage. Fast forward, smaller chaos on few Bangkok streets and the troops came out. What's going on.

I think most of us know the answer to that question.

[waitforusalso]

Dems in trouble with demonstrations, the army comes out in force to support the government and uses lethal force to keep the government in power. PTP in trouble with demonstrations, the army does ****all except wait in the wings to bring the government down through a coup d'etat.

No double standard?? The problem is that the people keep electing the wrong people to political office.

Hey! They didn't do ****all.

They were explicitly supporting the PRDC. Several soldiers were caught moonlighting as their guards. There was the van full of weapons at Laksi and of course Suthep's admission that he & Prayuth were in cahoots from the start.

[jesimps]

These filthy murderous scumbags need to be imprisoned for life.

Not an erudite post! Why so much repressed anger from you when in fact your words could not be further from the truth. The ruling Government of the day showed great restraint, time and again, but were constantly attacked. Many of th 90+ deaths were caused by the reds and their allies and yet I doubt whether you would call them "murderous scumbags". So hardly a balanced view from you.

You can't seriously wonder at people being angry with a govt that massacres a load of its citizens with its leaders walking away scot-free. They weren't even elected, which was what the trouble was about in the first place.

It's like crapping on someone then rubbing it in.

[jesimps]

This is the reason I thought the charges were ridiculous in the first place So why put everyone through this Circus. Just don't charge them in the beginning

What a waist of court costs and manpower AMAZING THAILAND

These charges were ridiculous and should never have been brought. They were simply doing their job of stopping the 'red' murders from escalating and were perfectly within their rights and powers to do so, so hard luck Thaksin - no charges against Abhisit and Suthep AND your ploy of getting a blanket amnesty was blown out of the water!! Loser!! .

The job of govt leaders is to quell protests using minimum force, hence the army warning to the PTP govt during the last upheaval. It isn't their job to order a mass killing.

They should be taken to The Hague and tried by a court that isn't made up of their drinking buddies.

There is no evidence that they ordered a "mass killing". Such a line is straight out of the red book but doesn't represent the facts as are known.

Wait for it...."But but but, the men in black....."

[Eric Loh]

This is the reason I thought the charges were ridiculous in the first place So why put everyone through this Circus. Just don't charge them in the beginning

What a waist of court costs and manpower AMAZING THAILAND

These charges were ridiculous and should never have been brought. They were simply doing their job of stopping the 'red' murders from escalating and were perfectly within their rights and powers to do so, so hard luck Thaksin - no charges against Abhisit and Suthep AND your ploy of getting a blanket amnesty was blown out of the water!! Loser!! .

The job of govt leaders is to quell protests using minimum force, hence the army warning to the PTP govt during the last upheaval. It isn't their job to order a mass killing.

They should be taken to The Hague and tried by a court that isn't made up of their drinking buddies.

There is no evidence that they ordered a "mass killing". Such a line is straight out of the red book but doesn't represent the facts as are known.

The statistic is rather grim with almost 100,000 rounds and 2,500 sniper bullets used resulting in 99 deaths and 2,000 injured. That's the fact. Chew on it.

[lucky11]

These filthy murderous scumbags need to be imprisoned for life.

Not an erudite post! Why so much repressed anger from you when in fact your words could not be further from the truth. The ruling Government of the day showed great restraint, time and again, but were constantly attacked. Many of th 90+ deaths were caused by the reds and their allies and yet I doubt whether you would call them "murderous scumbags". So hardly a balanced view from you.

You can't seriously wonder at people being angry with a govt that massacres a load of its citizens with its leaders walking away scot-free. They weren't even elected, which was what the trouble was about in the first place.

It's like crapping on someone then rubbing it in.

Wrong on both accounts - they have not been charged with any crime, much as you want them to be and they were voted in by the (Democratically elected) house, which in turn, makes that a legitimate process!!

Edited February 17, 2016 by lucky11

[waitforusalso]

Shoot your own citizens in cold blood (N.B. not one piece of evidence, image or video, of an armed protester being shot) & get off scot-free. Give subsidies to poor farmers & be liable for billions.

What a complete farce!

[waitforusalso]

Wrong on both accounts - they have not been charged with any crime, much as you want them to be and they were voted in by the (Democratically elected) house, which in turn, makes that a legitimate process!!

Haha. Ignorant or obstinate?

[lucky11]

Wrong on both accounts - they have not been charged with any crime, much as you want them to be and they were voted in by the (Democratically elected) house, which in turn, makes that a legitimate process!!

Haha. Ignorant or obstinate?

I don't know, which of the two are you?

[luckyman]

No surprise here, so.....

Next !!

[luckyman]

Shoot your own citizens in cold blood (N.B. not one piece of evidence, image or video, of an armed protester being shot) & get off scot-free. Give subsidies to poor farmers & be liable for billions.

What a complete farce!

Wow ! No evidence ?

How much do you need?

Ever heard of youtube?

I have seen many vdo's of guys being shot by a sniper just seconds before they threw a molotov cocktail, also one was being shot while wielding an axe, another one a spear, those snipers saved many lives, bro !!

Can you write Thai? If so, there is zillions more on thai news sites you can search for.