Which adsl router for VPN

[Anthony5]

I will need to buy a adsl router to set up a VPN connection.

 

The service I will use is PPTP and both routers selected seem to support that standard. I don't know much about VPN but I'm looking for a router where I can set up the connection in the router itself.

 

Since this is an unexpected cost ( router and vpn ) I'm looking for an economic solution.

 

Found 2 routers at 1490 Baht, but don't really understand from the spec if the vpn can be set up in the router or not.

 

Could someone please take a look at both links and educate me, then suggest which one is the better choice, or suggest another router.

 

Thanks in advance.

https://www.asus.com/Networking/DSLN12U_C1/overview/

 

http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/TD-W8960N.html#overview

 

 

Edited August 31, 2016 by Anthony5

[Peterw42]

Almost any router will support  VPN traffic and you shoudnt have to change anything in your router. You still need the other end, a computer to connect to. The router doesnt provide you with a VPN, it just switches the traffic.

[mtls2005]

While it is true that some broadband (DSL) routers do now support some VPN protocols natively, they may not be the most robust solutions. Often the best solution is to use a secondary WiFi/ethernet (only) router on which you can flash custom firmware (DDWRT, Tomato, etc) which will then allow you to run a more robust VPN solution. You would use your DSL device as a bridge between your ISP and your local network. You also need to consider the ability to process milllions of packets per second, which may require a more robust hardware platform.

 

Baby steps: figure out which VPN service you want to use, figure out which VPN protocols you want to use, then with your budget take a look at the various potential solutions which might be available here.

 

The Asus RT-N16 is generally recognized as one of the better budget or home router solutions for running a VPN. 

 

http://www.flashrouters.com/blog/2015/04/24/most-popular-best-wireless-routers-dd-wrt-2016/

[Anthony5]

1 minute ago, mtls2005 said:

While it is true that some broadband (DSL) routers do now support some VPN protocols natively, they may not be the most robust solutions. Often the best solution is to use a secondary WiFi/ethernet (only) router on which you can flash custom firmware (DDWRT, Tomato, etc) which will then allow you to run a more robust VPN solution. You would use your DSL device as a bridge between your ISP and your local network. You also need to consider the ability to process milllions of packets per second, which may require a more robust hardware platform.

 

Baby steps: figure out which VPN service you want to use, figure out which VPN protocols you want to use, then with your budget take a look at the various potential solutions which might be available here.

 

The Asus RT-N16 is generally recognized as one of the better budget or home router solutions for running a VPN. 

 

http://www.flashrouters.com/blog/2015/04/24/most-popular-best-wireless-routers-dd-wrt-2016/

 

 

I'm looking at Purevpn or IPA, both support PPTP and Openvpn

[Anthony5]

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Almost any router will support  VPN traffic and you shoudnt have to change anything in your router. You still need the other end, a computer to connect to. The router doesnt provide you with a VPN, it just switches the traffic.

 

There are routers in which it is possible to set up the VPN, saves you from setting it up in each connected device separately.

[mtls2005]

And what devices are you looking to support?

 

Pure VPN gives five (5) simultaneous log-ins. Do you plan to use more than five devices on the VPN simultaneously?

Edited August 31, 2016 by mtls2005

[mtls2005]

8 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Almost any router will support  VPN traffic and you shoudnt have to change anything in your router. You still need the other end, a computer to connect to. The router doesnt provide you with a VPN, it just switches the traffic.

 

 

I assume he wants to run the VPN in the router and make it available to any/all devices on the network, thereby overcoming the need to run client software, and/or overcome any inherent limitations in simultaneous usage?

[Peterw42]

7 minutes ago, Anthony5 said:

 

There are routers in which it is possible to set up the VPN, saves you from setting it up in each connected device separately.

 

I get that, but every time you want to change countries  , it means reconfigure the router.

[mtls2005]

I think most people who utilize this configuration choose a single country, based on any number of criteria, and stick with that. Singapore might be a viable option for those in Thailand? They don't have a need to switch locations, prefer not running a client, prefer to keep things simple, etc. Is it the best option for the OP? Who knows?

[sniffdog]

I dont know about other brands, but with Asus dd-wrt you setup different country profiles and you just switch profiles in the Asus interface.


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[Anthony5]

52 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

 

I get that, but every time you want to change countries  , it means reconfigure the router.

 

Purevpn support told me that you simply select another server in the router applet.

 

https://www.purevpn.com/setup-applet-on-ddwrt.php

 

45 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

I think most people who utilize this configuration choose a single country, based on any number of criteria, and stick with that. Singapore might be a viable option for those in Thailand? They don't have a need to switch locations, prefer not running a client, prefer to keep things simple, etc. Is it the best option for the OP? Who knows?

 

That is the purpose of this thread, to find that out.

[Agent Sumo]

Get a router that supports DD-WRT firmware.

 

I use a Cisco/Linksys E4200 Mark 1

[Anthony5]

4 minutes ago, Agent Sumo said:

Get a router that supports DD-WRT firmware.

 

I use a Cisco/Linksys E4200 Mark 1

 

I understand that, but just look for a confirmation if the routers in the OP support the DD-WRT.

 

The Asus has at least the WRT in the model number, so I assume that one is positive, but I don't know about the TP-link

[Anthony5]

1 hour ago, mtls2005 said:

And what devices are you looking to support?

 

Pure VPN gives five (5) simultaneous log-ins. Do you plan to use more than five devices on the VPN simultaneously?

 

No, I will use maximum 3 devices simultaneous, but on average even not that.

[Anthony5]

I just found this on the JIB website. Please explain what the quote in the spec means for me.

 

" DSL-AC52U offers a simple VPN server and VPN client setup to access a home network or the internet privately and securely. Easily set up a VPN server with PPTP/Open VPN protocol support with no need for paid VPN services or a dedicated VPN server. DSL-AC52U also turns your network-connected devices into VPN-enabled clients via PPTP/L2TP and Open VPN protocols without additional VPN software required. . "

 

https://www.jib.co.th/web/index.php/product/readProduct/22310/16/ASUS-MODEM-ADSL-VDSL-DUAL-BAND-AC750--DSL-AC52U-

 

 

Edited August 31, 2016 by Anthony5

[sniffdog]

I use Pure VPN. Be aware that 30-40% of the time I try to connect to SIN it fails. But at 2 bucks there is not a lot to complain about.

[mtls2005]

I'll ask one last time...

 

And what devices are you looking to support?

 

I'm not seeing a requirement for you to run a VPN service in your modem/router, although there may be one that has yet to be revealed?

 

DSL-AC52U offers a simple VPN server and VPN ...

 

FWIW, that device does NOT support DSL, even though the description is confusing. It simply is able to connected to a DSL modem.

 

Many ASUS networking devices can take advantage of "free" services (like DDNS) which are offered by ASUS, and one-click configurable in compatible devices.

 

You're getting very far ahead of yourself. Maybe slow down a bit. First figure out if a VPN solves your problems. Then if it does, try a VPN service first. If you have a client which does not support the VPN service, possible, then you may need a local router on which you could run a local VPN.

 

Hard to keep up...the routers in the OP can run an ASUS, or TP-Link, version of VPN internally. These routers CANNOT be flashed with DDWRT.

 

Edited August 31, 2016 by mtls2005

[Anthony5]

21 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

I'll ask one last time...

 

And what devices are you looking to support?

 

I'm not seeing a requirement for you to run a VPN service in your modem/router, although there may be one that has yet to be revealed?

 

DSL-AC52U offers a simple VPN server and VPN ...

 

FWIW, that device does NOT support DSL, even though the description is confusing. It simply is able to connected to a DSL modem.

 

Many ASUS networking devices can take advantage of "free" services (like DDNS) which are offered by ASUS, and one-click configurable in compatible devices.

 

You're getting very far ahead of yourself. Maybe slow down a bit. First figure out if a VPN solves your problems. Then if it does, try a VPN service first. If you have a client which does not support the VPN service, possible, then you may need a local router on which you could run a local VPN.

 

Hard to keep up...the routers in the OP can run an ASUS, or TP-Link, version of VPN internally. These routers CANNOT be flashed with DDWRT.

 

 

Which devices I'm looking to support is irrelevant, it may be 2 devices today and 16 devices next month, I started a thread with the question that I'm looking for a router in which I can set up a vpn and that are the answers I'm looking for.

 

Thanks for pointing out that the DSL-AC52U doesn't support DSL, but could you please look at the screenshot and the website because I believe you're mistaken.

 

https://www.asus.com/Networking/DSL-AC52U/specifications/

 

 

 

Then regarding the question if  a vpn solves my issue, please take a look at the following posts, since I think it is very obvious that a vpn solves my problem.But feel free to correct me.

 

By the way sticking with my previous isp is no option

 

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/925368-using-vpn-to-speedup-your-internet-international-speed/?do=findComment&comment=11101360

 

So if we have figured out that a VPN is the solution, will the free services provided with the ASUS DSL-AC52U C1 enable me to solve that issue without paying for a VPN?

 

 

 

[mtls2005]

DSL-AC52U offers a simple VPN server and VPN ...
 
FWIW, that device does NOT support DSL, even though the description is confusing. It simply is able to connected to a DSL modem.

 

Apologies, that device does support DSL (ADSL/ADSL+2, and even VDSL2) natively. Not sure how I missed it. ANy ASUS product with the prefix DSL supports DSL, and U suffix measn it supports the U-interface.

 

Again, sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 31, 2016 by mtls2005

[Anthony5]

1 hour ago, sniffdog said:

I use Pure VPN. Be aware that 30-40% of the time I try to connect to SIN it fails. But at 2 bucks there is not a lot to complain about.

 

 

Thanks for clearing that up before I signed, but now it is 5.99$ for a 1 year contract, so yes I would complain if I'm unable to connect.

[Anthony5]

1 minute ago, mtls2005 said:

DSL-AC52U offers a simple VPN server and VPN ...
 
FWIW, that device does NOT support DSL, even though the description is confusing. It simply is able to connected to a DSL modem.

 

Apologies, that device does support DSL (ADSL/ADSL+2, and even VDSL2) natively. Not sure how I missed it. ANy ASUS product with the prefix DSL supports DSL, and U suffix measn it supports the U-interface.

 

Again, sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No need for apologies, I'm glad you 're helping this noob out with your comments.

 

Could you please elaborate a bit more on those free services included with this modem, and if it could solve my issue without paying for a VPN?

[mtls2005]

Some DSL modem/routers can run their own internal VPN software, including the two models in the OP., and the ASUS DSL-AC52U. Obviously you should research if those implementations will ultimately support your application requirements.

 

I'd probably look for other folks who are running these models with a VPN to see if they are satisfied. ANd take look at the related history on the chipset, RAM and processing power to see if there might be any inherent limitations which could affect your experience.

 

Some.many.most ethernet/wifi routers can be flashed with custom firmware like DDWRT with which you could run a VPN for any/all clients. Some of these may also run their own internal VPN software.

 

 

 

 

OK, I'll bow out

[coops]

Most router support VPN servers... but you are as you know I think looking for a router than be a VPN CLIENT ... so any device connecting through the wifi from that router goes through the VPN provider you've setup within the router.

 

Asus seems to be very good for this - most of their routers support being a VPN client.

 

Personally, I bought Asus-rt-ac88u to connect to the godawful True Cable modem (Technicolor) - many websites would baulk/be slow or need repeated requests to reply using the cable modem and my apple Time Capsule as the wifi router.

I'd already checked using my VPN provider on  my laptop and ipad, that once connected to the VPN all these issues disappeared - ie it is all down to the hopeless True service, whether that  be borked DNS cacheing (which you cannot override to use OpenDNS or google in the aforementioned POS router) or whatever...

 

Now the Technicolor is the cable modem, and the Asus provides wifi to all my devices and is always thru my chosen VPN provider. Works perfectly and fixes Trues terrible issues without having to ditch it and go to AIS (for now).

 

(Another friend also has the same issues with True Cable internet, will see if he wants to go VPN or switch to AIS).

 

ps I got the Asus router at Fortune town - no surprises there, there's a good selection of Asus models available.

Edited August 31, 2016 by coops