bendejo Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 IMO the real measure of the Beatles was what they did after the Beatlemania thing, when they stopped touring and had complete creative freedom (or very close to it) for their records. The first three albums of that period, Yesterday and Today, Rubber Soul and Revolver set the stage for the progressive rock of the late 1960s into the 1970s. Never liked Sgt. Pepper, I sensed a sort of "we can record anything and you'll buy it" kind of cynicism. I now look back on it as a musical LSD experiment. I hope the movie touches on the episode in the Philippines. Somewhere on the net is Lennon's recount of what happened there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 ^^^ Yesterday and Today was not an official Beatles release. It's a chop job that skimmed a few songs from several proper British releases that Capitol Records (in America) did on various occasions to "create" more albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, iReason said: Yesterday and Today was not an official Beatles release. Yes it was. The LPS in America were different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamukloy Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 19 minutes ago, iReason said: ^^^ Yesterday and Today was not an official Beatles release. It's a chop job that skimmed a few songs from several proper British releases that Capitol Records (in America) did on various occasions to "create" more albums. What sort of drugs are you on? Obviously not from the 70's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claynlr Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 I read a good book by Geoff Emerick who was the audio engineer on Sgt. Pepper. Along with producer George Martin, they and the lads did some things that had never been done in a studio as far as stretching the limits of what recording equipment would do in those days. No digital of course, and it"s been a while since I read the book, but it was 2 track or 4 track or something and they were doing stuff that had never been done to get all the sounds they wanted. Very good read! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkok19 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Thank God everything they recorded was not thrown in the trash bin. All those outtakes, flawed backing tracks, background chatter during rehearsals, unused audio on the cutting room floor... all that stuff was kept and we can hear it today on the "Anthology" sets and the "Love" album and others. Those early 'takes' of "She's A Woman" found on YouTube show the raw power of a young "Paul's" vocals.. hopefully they'll keep digging up old unheard stuff from the Beatles and remix into something amazing. I often wonder what their music would've been like if they had todays technology back then.. but <deleted>, you wouldn't wanna change any of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkok19 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Thank God everything they recorded was not thrown in the trash bin. All those outtakes, flawed backing tracks, background chatter during rehearsals, unused audio on the cutting room floor... all that stuff was kept and we can hear it today on the "Anthology" sets and the "Love" album and others. Those early 'takes' of "She's A Woman" found on YouTube show the raw power of a young "Paul's" vocals.. hopefully they'll keep digging up old unheard stuff from the Beatles and remix into something amazing. I often wonder what their music would've been like if they had todays technology back then.. but <deleted>, you wouldn't wanna change any of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 The "scandal" of Yesterday and Today was the initial album cover, which showed the four of them surrounded by mannequin parts. It was said to be mocking of their fans, though I can't recall who exactly was saying it. If you have that album and cover in good condition now you could probably buy a house with the money you'd get from selling it. When CDs came along some Beatles tracks I never heard before surfaced, one of them was Dr. Robert. I had no recollection of it, and I would have noticed because back then I had a friend named Robert who was quite involved in, um, chemistry. Yes indeed the releases were different in UK and US. I had a buddy used to fly between NYC and London on business (he was a mainframe wiz) and he used to make traveling money by bringing US albums to Blighty and selling them, then bringing back UK releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 (edited) dupe removed Edited September 17, 2016 by bendejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 42 minutes ago, claynlr said: I read a good book by Geoff Emerick who was the audio engineer on Sgt. Pepper. Along with producer George Martin, they and the lads did some things that had never been done in a studio as far as stretching the limits of what recording equipment would do in those days. No digital of course, and it"s been a while since I read the book, but it was 2 track or 4 track or something and they were doing stuff that had never been done to get all the sounds they wanted. Very good read! I am pretty sure that he said that Paul was -by far- the best musician of the group. He could play every instrument well and did on his first solo LP: "McCartney." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 The greatest rock group of all-time! Floyd for me; music for the endorphins. [emoji6]The Beatles tended more towards pop I think and unless you're on something would struggle to listen to more than a couple tunes in succession. There's no doubting they had a massive influence, however, and this thing by Ron Howard-Walton is a good effort to keep it all alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sendintheclowns Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 10 hours ago, Ulysses G. said: Really. he's reacting to the comment about the Monkees, who could not play music instruments when they were first introduce as a weekly tv show. Hey-hey, I'm a believer, indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 2 hours ago, daveAustin said: Floyd for me; music for the endorphins. The Beatles tended more towards pop I think and unless you're on something would struggle to listen to more than a couple tunes in succession. There's no doubting they had a massive influence, however, and this thing by Ron Howard-Walton is a good effort to keep it all alive. I find it interesting that you needed to be stoned to listen to the Beatles, but are a Pink Floyd fan. I was too young to get high when the Beatles were still together, so listened to them straight. I liked Pink Floyd too, but mostly when tripping. Now that I have (mostly) reformed, they do not do much for me anymore. The Beatles still do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sendintheclowns Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 lets not argue whose the best of the British Invasion: how about some nostalgic lists: top 10 (in no particular order): Moody Blues Animals (feat. Eric Burton) Beatles Stones Kinks Hollies Yardbirds The Who The Troggs Dusty the trouble, is where to stop........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Do not forget Jethrow Tull. I still love Aqualung every now and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sendintheclowns Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said: Do not forget Jethrow Tull. I still love Aqualung every now and again. More, please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 24 minutes ago, sendintheclowns said: lets not argue whose the best of the British Invasion: how about some nostalgic lists: top 10 (in no particular order): Moody Blues Animals (feat. Eric Burton) Beatles Stones Kinks Hollies Yardbirds The Who The Troggs Dusty the trouble, is where to stop........ The 60's was an incredible time for pop music from both sides of the pond, l saw many in your list live during that period.. PS. It's Eric Burdon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 36 minutes ago, sendintheclowns said: lets not argue whose the best of the British Invasion: how about some nostalgic lists: top 10 (in no particular order): Moody Blues Animals (feat. Eric Burton) Beatles Stones Kinks Hollies Yardbirds The Who The Troggs Dusty the trouble, is where to stop........ The Nice. Saw them as the 3rd act of a show, had no idea what to expect. Amazing the way that guy handled that Hammond organ. Also changed my view of Brubeck. (hey, we no longer have strike-through fonts!) Oh, and Cream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 T-Rex, Small Faces, so many forgotten good stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKdreaming Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 ummmm does Beatlemania in the early 70s in Hollywood count ? , at the Palladium on Sunset ( I think) The Beatles had stopped touring by the time I could go to a concert by myself , Did see the Stones , Blind Faith , The Who and others I forgot ahhh the 70s........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bartender100 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 11 hours ago, GOLDBUGGY said: Absolutely! Buddy Holly was great to and a real classic. Odd as it is but whenever I hear his music played today, which isn't often, my toes still get tapping. Without Buddy Holly no Beatles or Stones, both bands have said so. Buddy Holly changed it all for all of us, some would say the cultural freedoms we have now are owed to Buddy breaking those first barriers down that the Beatles followed John Lennon told Jerry “J.I.” Allison, drummer for the Crickets and Holly’s best friend, “There would not even have been a Beatles had it not been for the Crickets. Take the time to read this for an insight http://www.virtualubbock.com/stoCOBuddy.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sendintheclowns Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 15 minutes ago, BKKdreaming said: ummmm does Beatlemania in the early 70s in Hollywood count ? , at the Palladium on Sunset ( I think) The Beatles had stopped touring by the time I could go to a concert by myself , Did see the Stones , Blind Faith , The Who and others I forgot 0 lucky you, on the ones you remember and don't remember not sure about the 70's as I wasn't there. You remember what they say about the late sixties 'if you remember, you probabl0eren't there (Grace Slick?) I do remember clearly, a few memorable US acts, touring Ireland, early 1960's (Roy Orbison, Ray Charles). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sendintheclowns Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 11 hours ago, GOLDBUGGY said: Absolutely! Buddy Holly was great to and a real classic. Odd as it is but whenever I hear his music played today, which isn't often, my toes still get tapping. a bit like early Van Morrison (Them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Got my gray cells working now.........Saw the Yardbirds and Georgie Fame perform at our local swimming baths, the main pool at times was boarded over for events to create a dance floor. Small faces at a small local church hall, The Kinks at a local dance hall, Rolling Stones at a local cinema on stage.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKdreaming Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 yeah in the 80s I saw Roy Orbison at a small club called the Troubador out in the SF Valley , Was backstage at a big stadium concert in LA , the energy standing on the stage between sets with 50,000 people in front of you was amazing..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) G. Harrison with friends on stage , ( skip ad) , http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ezp6u_bob-dylan-my-back-pages-hd_music Edited September 18, 2016 by Opl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) Just now, Ulysses G. said: Yes it was. The LPS in America were different. "The LPS in America were different." No. As is in many cases, you are wrong. Again. Please refer to Post #32. I guess you missed that part. P.S. For referrence, their latter albums were made as a concept. Not as some piece of meat to be chopped up for additional "product" by some record company in 'murica. Just now, bamukloy said: What sort of drugs are you on? Obviously not from the 70's The Beatles stopped recording in 1969. Dem drugs taken a toll your memory? Like this Edited September 18, 2016 by iReason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 I have always felt MaCartney was happiest in the 70s with Wings. I further believe the time was right for a reunion @ live aid 85 had John still been around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) Just now, BKKdreaming said: yeah in the 80s I saw Roy Orbison at a small club called the Troubador out in the SF Valley , The Troubadour was on Santa Monica Blvd. in West Hollywood. A far cry from the Valley. Edited September 18, 2016 by iReason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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