RickBradford Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Racial profiling is racist, inefficient, and stupid. It's efficient. Ask El Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merylhighground Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Nothing new here. I recall two or three years ago going out to Lower Suk on a Monday (or Tuesday) night - a rare thing for me - only to find the area crawling with coppers when I got out of my cab in Soi 3 near the Grace to walk through to Soi 5. The area was crawling with fuzz.There was an impromptu 'checkpoint' set up with a few coppers/IOs sitting behind a desk checking the documents of the folks their colleagues were rounding up. Being a law abiding chap I produced my PP and visa page copies and offered it to one officer for perusal who glanced at them, laughed, made a smartarse comment to his pals, thanked me and giggled and said 'only Chocolate and Arab man tonight, not farang' and didn't seem in the least bit interested in me or my docs.... I sat outside Gullies on Soi 5 where I used to sit and watch the saddos thinking the lasses they 'pull' inside were 'good girls'...for at least an hour while they continued to chase down every Arab and Black person, male or female with great aplomb and gusto and they were still at it a few hours later when I went to top up my cigars at Foodland.... I wonder if shaking down Westerners is the sole domain of the Thong Lor keystones.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wow64 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Agree it's bad for the one or two dark skinned gentlemen on Soi 3 that were not selling drugs or on overstay. Its not that bad just show passport and pee in a cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomfiddler Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 3 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Skin colour matters only to the prejudiced. So what is wrong with being prejudiced ? As far as I can see, it is just a normal reaction obtained from exposure to the tactics of nigerians, somalis, american street blacks, and indians (note small case) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 12 minutes ago, AGareth2 said: saying that it seems to have worked anyway good thing it is not the PHILLIPINES No it didn't work, the drugs trade carries on unabated. the real players [Thai} are unaffected and all that really has happened is people were targeted because of their colour. The phillipines is doing what thailand did under thaksin back in the day. Didn't work here, won't work there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeyrobot Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 2 hours ago, Bluespunk said: No, it is racist bigotry to use racial profiling to arrest someone. The Thai police and Thai people don't care what colour your skin is, but the Thai police the Thai shop sellers and Expats who live in that area all know there is a problem with Mainly African males in the Soi 3 area selling drugs & many other illegal activities. So if they did use racial profiling to catch them and take a drug dealer and over stayer of the street good work. The quicker they catch them hence less the problem. Being a racist is someone who thinks there race is superior over another, the police are not racist they just know these guys are the drug dealers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 13 minutes ago, RickBradford said: It's efficient. Ask El Al. Amazing, maybe. But I don't think anyone would accuse them of being efficient. The resources they are willing to spend are far in excess of what Thailand can afford. Besides, would you spend your holiday in a country with security that reminds you of an Israeli airport? Talk about killing the holiday mood... Just envision latex. Now, envision it on a cop's hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) 20 minutes ago, RickBradford said: It's efficient. Ask El Al. No it's not. Racial profiling is racist based judgements which ignore other possibilities. Ask the birmingham 6 and the guildford 4, what racial profiling achieves. Edited October 8, 2016 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, Monkeyrobot said: The Thai police and Thai people don't care what colour your skin is, but the Thai police the Thai shop sellers and Expats who live in that area all know there is a problem with Mainly African males in the Soi 3 area selling drugs & many other illegal activities. So if they did use racial profiling to catch them and take a drug dealer and over stayer of the street good work. The quicker they catch them hence less the problem. Being a racist is someone who thinks there race is superior over another, the police are not racist they just know these guys are the drug dealers. No it's not efficient. It's just playing to stereotypes and prejudice. If soi 3 is a drug selling area any raid should target all, regardless of colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sahibji Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 200 personnel mobilised. that must have been some operation. the positive outcome is that definitive evidence of illegal activities was detected and we hope remedial action will be taken. random raid like these will keep the shady fellows on their tows and will be good for the tourism image of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotheruser Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 This area wasn't singled out solely because of race. It is a well known area of drug dealing and streetwalkers. People think the police have never been there are seen any activity of this kind? It only takes a cursory walk through this place to know what goes on there. Does this mean the Thai police aren't racist? No, absolutely not but lower Suk was such an obvious area of drug trafficking that it was pretty much begging to be raided. Where there is smoke there is fire and anybody familiar with this area knows what goes on there. I am white and have been in a taxi which was randomly stopped and searched. Did I fit a profile? I am guessing my age and being a single male would have probably been more likely to a search than a Thai family with children. White people get profiled as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sahibji Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 4 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Ah, racial profiling. Such an efficient method of policing crime. Bigotry alive and well it seems. that is not a good sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: No it's not. Racial profiling is racist based judgements which ignore other possibilities. Ask the birmingham 6 and the guildford 4, what racial profiling achieves. Going back to the math I did on Post #59, if racial profiling only narrows your suspect list down to around 6,100 possibles, you're probably better off conceding it doesn't work very well and focus your time, money and efforts on something that does work. Edited October 8, 2016 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 If you don't want to be stopped and searched, walk with your kid and your pet dog...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caps Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 OMG...the Black Board and the Robinsons Jam Golly <deleted> have so much to answer for The PC Brigade get on my pip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sahibji Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 21 minutes ago, wow64 said: Agree it's bad for the one or two dark skinned gentlemen on Soi 3 that were not selling drugs or on overstay. Its not that bad just show passport and pee in a cup. but when people of one skin colour are targeted the matter becomes different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomyumchai Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 3 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Arresting people on the basis of their colour is racial profiling. Arrest drug dealers, no one's complaining about that, but do it on the basis of evidence not colour. Oh mr apologist im going to enlighten you on the last time i went to the soi 3-4 area years ago. Outside gulivers i got so pissed off by those sweet innocent chocolatey tourists leaning over the wall to 'tell' me to buy drugs off them that i left and went further up the sukhumvit. As i walked up the road every black innocent tourist obviously just taking in the sights of a concrete ghetto kept stepping in my way to offer me...... drugs. If you want to go out and find drug dealers just go for the most likely suspects..... it aint rocket science. Meanwhile ive been around loads of white people in pattaya and all ive been offered is beer, and a pork roast for tea tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeyrobot Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: No it's not efficient. It's just playing to stereotypes and prejudice. If soi 3 is a drug selling area any raid should target all, regardless of colour. If there is a bank robbery and the police check point is notified there are two Caucasians or two Black males in the red get away car do they pull up the little old lady in her yellow car? Police work is Police work its a numbers game, bringing down the odds to catch the bad guy. The sooner they catch them the safer we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 4 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Nonsense. The vast majority of crime in Thailand is committed by Thais. Are you suggesting every Thai is arrested in this stupid manner? I'm sure It Is, but do you know the crime stats by ethnic group? They may give a very different picture. The left wing w****rs, bleeding hearts and chardonnay socialists (hreens voters all !!) In Australia would be In overdrive If a similar thing happened here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Caps said: OMG...the Black Board and the Robinsons Jam Golly <deleted> have so much to answer for The PC Brigade get on my pip Those who justify racial profiling do so with me. PS being against racism isn't being PC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captspectre Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 4 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Ah, racial profiling. Such an efficient method of policing crime. Bigotry alive and well it seems. bigotry? have you been so soi 3, it is FULL of arabs and dark skin people! that is where they hang out. also the nigerian scammers also hang out there. you would be hard put to see anyone other than a mideastern person there including in the beer bar across the street. i believe it is called the bamboo bar. don't take my word take your liberal butt down there at about 9PM on a friday and saturday and see how many times you are approached assuming that you are white! the hotel there also caters to arabs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, tomyumchai said: Oh mr apologist im going to enlighten you on the last time i went to the soi 3-4 area years ago. Outside gulivers i got so pissed off by those sweet innocent chocolatey tourists leaning over the wall to 'tell' me to buy drugs off them that i left and went further up the sukhumvit. As i walked up the road every black innocent tourist obviously just taking in the sights of a concrete ghetto kept stepping in my way to offer me...... drugs. If you want to go out and find drug dealers just go for the most likely suspects..... it aint rocket science. Meanwhile ive been around loads of white people in pattaya and all ive been offered is beer, and a pork roast for tea tonight. Apologist? Yeah right, still I'll take that as it's better than being a racist any day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 4 hours ago, ratcatcher said: "News reports stressed that all those stopped and arrested were dark skinned." That could mean a vast cross section of Thais could have been arrested. I wonder how much of a tan was required to be in the "dark skinned" category. I might have to stay out of the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sahibji Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 15 minutes ago, Monkeyrobot said: The Thai police and Thai people don't care what colour your skin is, but the Thai police the Thai shop sellers and Expats who live in that area all know there is a problem with Mainly African males in the Soi 3 area selling drugs & many other illegal activities. So if they did use racial profiling to catch them and take a drug dealer and over stayer of the street good work. The quicker they catch them hence less the problem. Being a racist is someone who thinks there race is superior over another, the police are not racist they just know these guys are the drug dealers. they raid could easily have been made to check on other tourists as well to make it fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 1 minute ago, F4UCorsair said: I'm sure It Is, but do you know the crime stats by ethnic group? They may give a very different picture. The left wing w****rs, bleeding hearts and chardonnay socialists (hreens voters all !!) In Australia would be In overdrive If a similar thing happened here. Target the criminals based on their actions, not the colour of their skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caps Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Bluespunk said: Those who justify racial profiling do so with me. PS being against racism isn't being PC But we still have the white board....so bigoted nowadays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sahibji Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 3 hours ago, Bluespunk said: No, they arrested people on the basis of their colour. absolutely not, those arrested were involved in illegal activities and confirmed to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: No it didn't work, the drugs trade carries on unabated. the real players [Thai} are unaffected and all that really has happened is people were targeted because of their colour. The phillipines is doing what thailand did under thaksin back in the day. Didn't work here, won't work there. I agree with that. The drug trade will become more sophisticated and profitable. Before the Philippines experiment started several months back they were selling drugs out of mom 'n pop stores. Try to stamp out the drug trade is like trying to stamp out prostitution. Many have tried, all have failed. Edited October 8, 2016 by tropo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 5 minutes ago, Monkeyrobot said: If there is a bank robbery and the police check point is notified there are two Caucasians or two Black males in the red get away car do they pull up the little old lady in her yellow car? Police work is Police work its a numbers game, bringing down the odds to catch the bad guy. The sooner they catch them the safer we are. Targeting someone on their colour is not bringing the odds down, it is racism. Your car robbery analogy is nonsense and not applicable to what happened here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomyumchai Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Apologist? Yeah right, still I'll take that as it's better than being a racist any day Whys it so difficult to accept that certain people are scum, and happen to be the same colour? Even my jamacian best friend agrees with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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