May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[ilostmypassword]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

The quote and link were self explanatory & posted without comment so as not to attract unwarranted attention from digital trapdoor spiders... 

 

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Edited January 11, 2018 by ilostmypassword

[ilostmypassword]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

And, of course, the loss to various EU companies of UK trade.

 

It's becoming increasingly obvious that a deal is not 'on the cards' as German eurocrats make it ever more obvious that their only aim is to prevent any reasonable deal....

The EU has never denied that Brexit will do some harm. But obviously not nearly as much as it will do to the UK.

Whereas a consistent refrain of Brexiters is that the UK will ultimately come out ahead because it will be free to strike trade deals with the rest of the world. Given the reality of how foreign trade works, this expectation is ludicrous.

[simoh1490]

It's foot-shooting time again it seems! A gift by Team Brexiteers, intended for Michael Barnier as a gentle reminder of the UK's powerful commercial position in the world, seems to have backfired when the basket of "British" goods was found to contain some that are made in Europe, oops - we wonder what else the team doesn't know! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-hamper-british-food-products-eu-brussels-michel-barnier-marmite-pg-tips-hendricks-gin-a8152006.html

 

And then there's a new study by Cambridge Econometrics which finds a no Brexit deal could cost us GBP 50 bill., I'm shocked!  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-sadiq-khan-no-deal-hard-latest-economy-eu-article-50-billion-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-a8152856.html

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, simoh1490 said:

It's foot-shooting time again it seems! A gift by Team Brexiteers, intended for Michael Barnier as a gentle reminder of the UK's powerful commercial position in the world, seems to have backfired when the basket of "British" goods was found to contain some that are made in Europe, oops - we wonder what else the team doesn't know! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-hamper-british-food-products-eu-brussels-michel-barnier-marmite-pg-tips-hendricks-gin-a8152006.html

 

And then there's a new study by Cambridge Econometrics which finds a no Brexit deal could cost us GBP 50 bill., I'm shocked!  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-sadiq-khan-no-deal-hard-latest-economy-eu-article-50-billion-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-a8152856.html

 

All of the products mentioned are indeed made in Europe, in the UK actually. Mind your foot there!

Edited January 11, 2018 by nauseus

[Orac]

It's foot-shooting time again it seems! A gift by Team Brexiteers, intended for Michael Barnier as a gentle reminder of the UK's powerful commercial position in the world, seems to have backfired when the basket of "British" goods was found to contain some that are made in Europe, oops - we wonder what else the team doesn't know! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-hamper-british-food-products-eu-brussels-michel-barnier-marmite-pg-tips-hendricks-gin-a8152006.html
 
And then there's a new study by Cambridge Econometrics which finds a no Brexit deal could cost us GBP 50 bill., I'm shocked!  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-sadiq-khan-no-deal-hard-latest-economy-eu-article-50-billion-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-a8152856.html
 

Aah Marmite, invented by a German scientist, named after a French cooking pot (also the shape of the jar) and made by a Anglo-Dutch company.


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[evadgib]

Brexit campaigners have given EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier a hamper of British products during a meeting at the European Commission in Brussels.

The delegation was made up of the Euro MP Steven Woolfe, Lord Jones, the chair of the Leave Means Leave campaign John Longworth and Labour donor John Mills.

The hamper included the complete works of Shakespeare, cheddar cheese, marmite, PG Tips and some English wine.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42633478

[adammike]

2 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

The EU has never denied that Brexit will do some harm. But obviously not nearly as much as it will do to the UK.

Whereas a consistent refrain of Brexiters is that the UK will ultimately come out ahead because it will be free to strike trade deals with the rest of the world. Given the reality of how foreign trade works, this expectation is ludicrous.

That's right "Everybody loses" has been the opinion of the EU from day one.

[ilostmypassword]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Brexit campaigners have given EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier a hamper of British products during a meeting at the European Commission in Brussels.

The delegation was made up of the Euro MP Steven Woolfe, Lord Jones, the chair of the Leave Means Leave campaign John Longworth and Labour donor John Mills.

The hamper included the complete works of Shakespeare, cheddar cheese, marmite, PG Tips and some English wine.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42633478

You mean the UK is going to stop exporting Shakespeare?

[simoh1490]

Nigel says "yes" ("may need" is really code for yes) to a second referendum (just to make sure that is). Could it be that the realities of the impacts of leaving have finally sunk in and his excuse of, "just checking" is merely a cover story, dunno:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/01/11/nigel-farage-suggests-uk-may-need-second-brexit-referendum-settle/

 

 

 

[evadgib]

As above;

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42649214 

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

 

I am sure Barnier will enjoy the UK wine

 

50 billion pound loss? not bad on a Thursday,

and thoroughly documented I take it?

 

Have some wine, cheers!

 

Edited January 11, 2018 by melvinmelvin

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

Nigel says "yes" ("may need" is really code for yes) to a second referendum (just to make sure that is). Could it be that the realities of the impacts of leaving have finally sunk in and his excuse of, "just checking" is merely a cover story, dunno:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/01/11/nigel-farage-suggests-uk-may-need-second-brexit-referendum-settle/

Forum Hard Brexiteeer message to Nigel: 'Nigel, Nigel, please tell us it ain't so!'

[billd766]

7 hours ago, Ron19 said:

A large number of bickering posts between two party's have been removed.

For goodness sake give it a rest or pay the penalty. You have been warned.

 

Stand them in the corner wearing a dunces cap.

[billd766]

7 hours ago, Ron19 said:

A large number of bickering posts between two party's have been removed.

For goodness sake give it a rest or pay the penalty. You have been warned.

 

Stand them in the corner wearing a dunces cap.

[aright]

3 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

You mean the UK is going to stop exporting Shakespeare?

[Orac]

Nigel says "yes" ("may need" is really code for yes) to a second referendum (just to make sure that is). Could it be that the realities of the impacts of leaving have finally sunk in and his excuse of, "just checking" is merely a cover story, dunno:
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/01/11/nigel-farage-suggests-uk-may-need-second-brexit-referendum-settle/
 
 
 

Nigel realises he has become irrelevant and is trying to stir the pot so he can jump back on his UKIP bandwagon.


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[simoh1490]

4 hours ago, Orac said:

 

Nigel realises he has become irrelevant and is trying to stir the pot so he can jump back on his UKIP bandwagon.


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Possibly. Or maybe the coin just dropped that Brexit could actually become a reality and he'll soon be out of a job, who will pay for his Pouilly Fume and La choucroute for lunch - no wait he'll howl, I never meant for you to get this far!

[aright]

2 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

Possibly. Or maybe the coin just dropped that Brexit could actually become a reality and he'll soon be out of a job, who will pay for his Pouilly Fume and La choucroute for lunch - no wait he'll howl, I never meant for you to get this far!

I would have thought plonk and  sauerkraut would be anathema to Nigel .

I think he would  prefer a pint of "Piddle in a Bottle" ( Dorset Piddle Brewery)  and Bangers and Mash.

I am told a Pint of Silent Slasher (same Brewery) is very popular with Brexiteers.

Remainers, I understand, prefer a Pint of Little Willie.

  

[Laughing Gravy]

10 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Forum Hard Brexiteeer message to Nigel: 'Nigel, Nigel, please tell us it ain't so!'

I see the reaminers are having a wet dream of the prospect to try and cheat and stop[ the democratic will of the people. It has been done to death here already. Everyone knew what they voted for and if they didn't then that is there fault. I see the remainiac press have jumped on the bandwagon of trying to get another chance of keeping the UK in the corrupt and bureaucratic EU.  The EU is already on a slow down fall. Poland, Bulgaria, Hungary, Austria with more to follow.

 

If there is a second referendum then democracy is dead in the UK as why not make it the best of 10? the only one thing if there was and both sides had an even chance of debating then I think it would be over 60% leave this time. What would those ramainers say then. They would be scrambling for the Irish or other EU passports.

Edited January 12, 2018 by Laughing Gravy

[Laughing Gravy]

Just now, Laughing Gravy said:

I see the reaminers are having a wet dream of the prospect to try and cheat and stop[ the democratic will of the people. It has been done to death here already. Everyone knew what they voted for and if they didn't then that is there fault. I see the remainiac press have jumped on the bandwagon of trying to get another chance of keeping the UK in the corrupt and bureaucratic EU.  The EU is already on a slow down fall. Poland, Bulgaria, Hungary, Austria with more to follow.

 

If there is a second referendum then democracy is dead in the UK as why not make it the best of 10? the only one thing if there was and both sides had an even chance of debating then I think it would be over 60% leave this time. What would those ramainers say then. They would be scrambling for the Irish or other EU passports.

Plus Nigel Farage has backtracked on what he said on the chat show. he doesn't want a second referendum so all those remainers can clam down and take a chill pill.

[simoh1490]

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I see the reaminers are having a wet dream of the prospect to try and cheat and stop[ the democratic will of the people. It has been done to death here already. Everyone knew what they voted for and if they didn't then that is there fault. I see the remainiac press have jumped on the bandwagon of trying to get another chance of keeping the UK in the corrupt and bureaucratic EU.  The EU is already on a slow down fall. Poland, Bulgaria, Hungary, Austria with more to follow.

 

If there is a second referendum then democracy is dead in the UK as why not make it the best of 10? the only one thing if there was and both sides had an even chance of debating then I think it would be over 60% leave this time. What would those ramainers say then. They would be scrambling for the Irish or other EU passports.

Let's hypothesise for a moment, if there was a second referendum and the vote came in at say, 63% Remain, 37% Brexit, just as an example, what would Team Brexit blame the result on and would they accept it? Would they say it was rigged by the establishment or similar?

[soalbundy]

1 minute ago, simoh1490 said:

Let's hypothesise for a moment, if there was a second referendum and the vote came in at say, 63% Remain, 37% Brexit, just as an example, what would Team Brexit blame the result on and would they accept it? Would they say it was rigged by the establishment or similar?

they would want another referendum.

[Laughing Gravy]

1 minute ago, simoh1490 said:

Let's hypothesise for a moment, if there was a second referendum and the vote came in at say, 63% Remain, 37% Brexit, just as an example, what would Team Brexit blame the result on and would they accept it? Would they say it was rigged by the establishment or similar?

That's why I don't hypothesize. The whole issue would go on and on. I wouldn't put the establishment and the EU to do what they did in Ireland. It isn't going to happen so no need to speculate. Accept the first referendum, get behind the politicians to get the best deal for the UK or if the EU won't give us one, walk away. Giving false hopes and dividing the country even more is good for the EU only.

 

[aright]

35 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

Let's hypothesise for a moment, if there was a second referendum and the vote came in at say, 63% Remain, 37% Brexit, just as an example, what would Team Brexit blame the result on and would they accept it? Would they say it was rigged by the establishment or similar?

What a ridiculous hypothesis. If the vote came in at 63% leave and 37% remain would the 37% accept it. Of course they wouldn't! As already proved they don't respect Democracy. It's all about those low IQ, ill informed,  Brexiteers can't give me   what I want,

[simoh1490]

4 minutes ago, aright said:

What a ridiculous hypothesis. If the vote came in at 63% leave and 37% remain would the 37% accept it. Of course they wouldn't! As already proved they don't respect Democracy. It's all about those low IQ, ill informed,  Brexiteers can't give me   what I want,

You didn't answer the question, ridiculous or otherwise!

 

I was curious to understand if the Remain camp is the only one who potentially doesn't respect democracy or whether Brexit shares a similar trait - I suspect I may hear that Brexiteers would acknowledge the will of the people and not utter a sound because they're all goodness and light! BTW I don't think it's right that you paint all Brexiteers as you have done, some of them are actually quite smart and read proper newspapers.

[Orac]

50 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

That's why I don't hypothesize. The whole issue would go on and on. I wouldn't put the establishment and the EU to do what they did in Ireland. It isn't going to happen so no need to speculate. Accept the first referendum, get behind the politicians to get the best deal for the UK or if the EU won't give us one, walk away. Giving false hopes and dividing the country even more is good for the EU only.

 

 

The problem is it is not just the remainers causing the problems and, with the wafer thin majority at the referendum coupled with the denied mandate from   the GE, May cannot afford to lose the support of any that voted for brexit yet we have seen a week of disruption from the hardline brexiteers with Farage and his meeting with Barnier, the four clowns with their dodgy hamper and then these comments from Farage about a 2nd referendum.

 

 

 

[evadgib]

Links of interest this morning:

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ukef-extends-support-for-uk-exports-to-over-60-currencies

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/dr-liam-fox-holds-uk-india-talks-as-ukef-boosts-trade-finance-support

 

This last one isn't entirely brexit related but is nonetheless of interest to the board:

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/banks-and-building-societies-start-immigration-status-checks-on-personal-current-account-holders 

 

News at Ten reported that ferage has written to todays Telegraph explaining his '2nd referendum'. I haven't seen the letter but they (ITN) implied that he doesn't really want one.

 

The first half of BBC Question Time was quite enjoyable too :)

Edited January 12, 2018 by evadgib

[persimmon]

If,as I suspect ,the hopeless politicos in charge of the UK negotiate a poor deal with the EU then holding a second referendum might give a decent majority for remain,depending on the wording on the ballot paper.For example,if the question was put like this " Do you accept that the UK should leave the EU on the terms that have been negotiated  ? ",then all the remainers plus those brexiteers disappointed with the poor deal would give a majority " no " vote.In this case,it would be fair to include another option - " Should the UK stick two fingers up to the EU and walk away with no deal ? ".

[dick dasterdly]

Just now, persimmon said:

If,as I suspect ,the hopeless politicos in charge of the UK negotiate a poor deal with the EU then holding a second referendum might give a decent majority for remain,depending on the wording on the ballot paper.For example,if the question was put like this " Do you accept that the UK should leave the EU on the terms that have been negotiated  ? ",then all the remainers plus those brexiteers disappointed with the poor deal would give a majority " no " vote.In this case,it would be fair to include another option - " Should the UK stick two fingers up to the EU and walk away with no deal ? ".

Precisely!  But I suspect the 'poor deal' will have more to do with UK politicians determined to remain within the EU - and looking for a way to spin it as leaving....

[dick dasterdly]

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Plus Nigel Farage has backtracked on what he said on the chat show. he doesn't want a second referendum so all those remainers can clam down and take a chill pill.

Which begs the question - why did he say this in the first place?