Extension of stay DENIED.

[thai3]

7 hours ago, stevenl said:

Yes, it could be connected to something like no re-entry permit.

So why not tell him that ?

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, thai3 said:

So why not tell him that ?

Maybe they did tell him via his wife. After all the OP just sits there being nice.

[nunoyabiznez]

13 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

Well if it's not the businesses that are causing him grief (and I think it is) there sure as heck is an important piece of the picture missing in his story. Immigration doesn't simply deny a visa because the officer is having a bad day and then frog march him straight to the plane without cause, I don't care what you may think about Thailand and Immigration, it simply doesn't happen.

 

I have had another read of the OP's responses. He seems to have not been impolite "his wife does the talking, he sits and smiles" let's presume he was not breaking the dress code, as the photo seems to be what his wife thinks may have gone against him -and please notice that, as a Thai, she has focused on his APPEARANCE! 

Having said that, and given immigration are being unusually coy, it is also not outside the bounds of Thai reality, that his business dealings have ruffled some corrupt feathers, and a guy who knows a guy, has had a word with a buddy in the BiB.

 

Without being over dramatic, I would suggest he may want to seriously consider drastic action to wind up his affairs, take the profits, and quietly skip town for a few months, and return with a clean slate, pride could be fatal. I don't wish the OP ill, but unless he is holding back a peice of the puzzle, the 'mystery' refusal should serve as a very big red flag.

fred NL, I hope I am wrong, only you would know what's best, but do consider that this place is pretty lawless when money is at stake.

Good luck!

[alocacoc]

Apart from all that, I wouldn't advise to let the Thai wife or GF negotiate with Thai officials. In my personal experience, most Thais are submissive to their authorities and are afraid to ask too much. I would prefer to speak with the official directly, even his English is limited.

[sanemax]

9 minutes ago, nunoyabiznez said:

his wife does the talking, he sits and smiles"

 

  Does the OP speak Thai and did he understand what was being said ?

Numerous business interests in Thailand and moving them to Cambodia ?

How could his Wife stop him moving his Thai based businesses to Cambodia ?

Just a suggestion 

[nunoyabiznez]

4 minutes ago, alocacoc said:

Apart from all that, I wouldn't advise to let the Thai wife or GF negotiate with Thai officials. In my personal experience, most Thais are submissive to their authorities and are afraid to ask too much. I would prefer to speak with the official directly, even his English is limited.

 

Yes, and then there is the whole, invisible social pecking order, this is a good point! 

 

A lot of 'Thainess' frankly pisses me off, but I make an effort to understand the nuances as best I can, I go along to get along, but I don't brown-nose and wai everything in uniform either.

 

 

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

 

  Does the OP speak Thai and did he understand what was being said ?

Numerous business interests in Thailand and moving them to Cambodia ?

How could his Wife stop him moving his Thai based businesses to Cambodia ?

Just a suggestion 

And that's why she went to Holland to help him.

 

Does not make sense, the only thing that seems to make sense is that there was something wrong with his extension of stay application, like the earlier mentioned the OP leaving the country without re-entry permit.

[daveAustin]

Soon as I saw 'businesses', it was a kind of ahh moment. If all about the visa, they would have at least given you a reason and the other options to allow you to stay longer. Thai imm can be a handful and frustrating at times, but they generally try to sort things out. Even if you offended someone by telling them to F off, you would have been given the reason. Someone has a bee in their bonnet. Best of luck.

[nunoyabiznez]

36 minutes ago, Gulfsailor said:

On another thread the OP mentioned he left Thailand on Nov 11th. Is it possible he forgot a re entry permit for the under consideration period, which resulted him getting in on a visa exempt upon returning before Nov 16th? Reason would dictate they would at least allow him to stay until that permission would end though. Then again, if he is working here with a workpermit, he would be doing those things illegally the moment he wasn't on a non-o, non-b or extension of stay anymore, in this case when he arrived back into Thailand. 

 

All of this would be cited by immigration if it were so, he has had his lawyer talking to them!

No dice.

I'd be worried if it had come to that.

[sanemax]

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

And that's why she went to Holland to help him.

 

   Where did he state that ?

He stated that his Wife went to BKK Immigration today, which suggests that She is still in Thailand 

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

 

   Where did he state that ?

He stated that his Wife went to BKK Immigration today, which suggests that She is still in Thailand 

In another post, http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/942462-overstay-stamp-in-passport/

 

[sanemax]

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

In another post, http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/942462-overstay-stamp-in-passport/

 

 

  She can probably be ruled out then .

Back to the drawing board :)

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

 

  She can probably be ruled out then .

Back to the drawing board :)

It has to be extension related IMO. Also note he was not blacklisted.

[CharlieK]

Unless the OP can give a better reason for his extension being canceled I would suggest this is BS. Having just renewed my Non O marriage visa on the very last day of the permit to remain while visa is being processed, ie the top part of the OP's photo. Well actually I went on monday of this week but they said I had to wait till today Friday. I did ask if there was a problem. I was told that if there were a problem they would have contacted me before now.

 

I would have thought that if the OP's lawyer was involved then surely the immigration would have had to given a reason.  

 

 

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

It has to be extension related IMO. Also note he was not blacklisted.

 

   Then wouldnt the normal procedure be to give him 7 days to leave or if he had technically over stayed, then to make him pay an overstay fine ?

   It seems strange for the IO to put him on the next flight home .

It also seems odd that his Lawyer spoke to the top guy at Immigration .

Maybe his Lawyer made his case to vigorously (which he should be entitled to do) and if the Lawyer was in the right, rather than Immigration admitting they were wrong, they just sent him home ?

   It could also be that his original Visa was issued with "not all the correct documents" and the Lawyer threatened to take it further and rather than being exposed, the IO sent him home ?

   Just giving possibilities 

[Briggsy]

I know of one person (farang) who this happened to a few years ago. 

 

He was working for a Thai company. He nicked their business model and customer list setting up his own mirror business whilst still working for the Thai company as well as diverting new customers to his own mirror business.

 

The owner of the Thai company fired him on the spot and requested immigration to reflect his displeasure.

 

The farang was subsequently refused his extension (marriage) and given 24 hours to leave the country.

 

He was able to come back after obtaining a new visa.

[OMGImInPattaya]

2 hours ago, FredNL said:

There was no reason for denying the extension at all. 

It is at the discretion of the immigration officer. 

 

My wife has done some research and probably it was the passport photograph that was included with the application. I was wearing an orange t-shirt. They said to my wife that it looked like a prison shirt. That might have been the reason.

I wouldn't  be surprised...cheeky passport photos like that may fly in Europe but will often cause offense in Asia. If you intend  to spend much time in this part of the world, I'd advise getting some proper passport-size photos to keep on hand.

[overherebc]

There is obviously a lot more to this than we are being told.

If it's a normal/usual one year married extension why would anyone need a lawyer to help?

I'm calling BS on the orange T shirt story.

[Doiger]

It's quite obvious that the full story has not been told here.

I am curious as to why the OP was made to fly to Amsterdam, from what i have seen the OP was not on overstay, being deported or banned from the country, surely it is not up to immigration to tell you what country you must fly to

[samsensam]

1 hour ago, alocacoc said:

Apart from all that, I wouldn't advise to let the Thai wife or GF negotiate with Thai officials. In my personal experience, most Thais are submissive to their authorities and are afraid to ask too much. I would prefer to speak with the official directly, even his English is limited.

 

absolutely agree.

 

you'd be mad to allow someone else to communicate/negotiate with immigration officials on your behalf, especially if you have no idea what they are saying.

 

[JackThompson]

43 minutes ago, Doiger said:

It's quite obvious that the full story has not been told here.

I am curious as to why the OP was made to fly to Amsterdam, from what i have seen the OP was not on overstay, being deported or banned from the country, surely it is not up to immigration to tell you what country you must fly to

 

It is their call.  The "passport country" is always the destination with deportations, but it has also happened to some denied entry at an airport - those attempting visa-exempt and with valid visas.  Sometimes they give you a choice - sometimes not.  This is why I will not set foot in Thai airports.

[Doiger]

5 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

 

It is their call.  The "passport country" is always the destination with deportations, but it has also happened to some denied entry at an airport - those attempting visa-exempt and with valid visas.  Sometimes they give you a choice - sometimes not.  This is why I will not set foot in Thai airports.

I agree with what you are saying in certain circumstances but the OP was not deported or denied entry at an airport.

[nausea]

The point is you can be denied and given no reasons, it's totally at the discretion of the immigration officer. This is the same for all countries. In the UK there's an appeals system, but it has to be done out of country. Not sure if an appeals system exists in Thailand. So you'd better be very polite dealing with that guy/girl.

[overherebc]

Since the OP has not posted the real reason I am calling the whole thing SS, not BS but SS. Second S stands for stirring.

[thai3]

How can he post the reason when he does not know it?

[soalbundy]

8 minutes ago, thai3 said:

How can he post the reason when he does not know it?

perhaps he does, maybe the Thai officer didn't understand about his ''home for homeless Isaan girls'' 

[Doiger]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

In another post, http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/942462-overstay-stamp-in-passport/

 

Looking at the link above from another thread that the OP commented on.

first he says he got denied a new visa in holland as he has no history other than birth in the country (what country is his recent passport from then?)

secondly he says his wife managed to get an emergency visa for holland to take him paperwork (is this possible if as he says he has no links to holland)

thirdly, he says that he got a new visa in Singapore and is now back in Thailand.

 

i may be wrong but is it even possible to do all of those thing in the 2 week period since he was allegedly removed from Thailand 

[overherebc]

26 minutes ago, thai3 said:

How can he post the reason when he does not know it?

 

Because they explain it to you in English. They don't just tell you in Thai and take you to the airport. You are allowed to be escorted home, have a shower, collect what you need and then to the airport.

And all that is after the court case where you are usually fined 2000 baht or so.

Ask me how I know, if you need to.

AFAIAC the whole story is wind up.

[JackThompson]

1 hour ago, Doiger said:

I agree with what you are saying in certain circumstances but the OP was not deported or denied entry at an airport.

 

Yes, but let's say you tick off the 'wrong person' - as seems to have happened here.  A person with "rank" can tell those with lower rank to take you to the airport and instruct the airport staff what your options "shall be," and I'd bet they will follow orders, if they know what is good for them. 

[stevenl]

Looking at the link above from another thread that the OP commented on.
first he says he got denied a new visa in holland as he has no history other than birth in the country (what country is his recent passport from then?)
secondly he says his wife managed to get an emergency visa for holland to take him paperwork (is this possible if as he says he has no links to holland)
thirdly, he says that he got a new visa in Singapore and is now back in Thailand.
 
i may be wrong but is it even possible to do all of those thing in the 2 week period since he was allegedly removed from Thailand 

You read that post incorrect. He was denied in Bangkok, sent to Holland, his wife came with paperwork, was denied and went to Singapore for TV.

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