December 25, 20169 yr One off-topic post has been removed. Continued deliberately posting misinformation will result in suspensions.
December 25, 20169 yr 3 hours ago, simple1 said: The spokesman is not saying or alluding to your false news story. What he is saying countries should take on the processing and vetting of asylum seekers and if accepted for resettlement appropriate services be put in-pace to assist with resettlement / integration. If you can bother to find some facts you will note the flood of asylum seekers / economic refugees into the EU was warned of by UNHCR years ago and no notice, or at least very minimal effort made to proactively address the issues 'in situ' in host countries such as as Turkey, Lebanon and so on That may be so, but some EU countries don't want them, and after the next round of elections, IMO, more countries will join them with anti immigrant right wing governments.
December 25, 20169 yr I feel sorry for the families of those that have drowned, but I will also blame the rich members of those families that gave the money that went into the hands of the heartless smugglers who put these people onto rafts, and horrible boats that were towed and sputtered out to sea then broke down and lead to a lot of the drownings. I agree that these people and their rich relatives that maybe already escaped from somewhere in Africa or the ME, could stay in their countries, but lets face it. Escaping to Europe, or further is the easiest way for all of these people. That is the one sad truth. Another truth is that most Muslim people will move elsewhere, keeping their beliefs and Islam religion, then when their children cannot assimilate into the country they grow up in , some get mad, they go join one of these radical gangs, or do like this guy from Tunesia, who did his harm in Germany. It would be nice if all these people could be housed somewhere near to where they are from, then trained to be soldiers in the case of at least the young men, then when they have gotten old enough they could returned to their countries and fight against the jerks that are making their home countries a Hell. People for example like ISIL, and all the other terrorist groups. Geezer
December 25, 20169 yr 1 hour ago, Stargrazer9889 said: I feel sorry for the families of those that have drowned, but I will also blame the rich members of those families that gave the money that went into the hands of the heartless smugglers who put these people onto rafts, and horrible boats that were towed and sputtered out to sea then broke down and lead to a lot of the drownings. I agree that these people and their rich relatives that maybe already escaped from somewhere in Africa or the ME, could stay in their countries, but lets face it. Escaping to Europe, or further is the easiest way for all of these people. That is the one sad truth. Another truth is that most Muslim people will move elsewhere, keeping their beliefs and Islam religion, then when their children cannot assimilate into the country they grow up in , some get mad, they go join one of these radical gangs, or do like this guy from Tunesia, who did his harm in Germany. It would be nice if all these people could be housed somewhere near to where they are from, then trained to be soldiers in the case of at least the young men, then when they have gotten old enough they could returned to their countries and fight against the jerks that are making their home countries a Hell. People for example like ISIL, and all the other terrorist groups. Geezer What a bunch of BS! "the rich members of those families"...some sold all of their worldly possessions to get a ticket on this killing- ships! That is how desperate they are, to get away! "They could stay in their country"...have you seen what f.e. Aleppo looks like nowadays! Ever seen pictures from Dafour! That is, where you want them to stay and "fight"? Yeah, sure...let them become soldiers and fight the "jerks", who turned these places into those hell- holes! You mean like the USA with their thousands of drone- strikes, which overwhelmingly kill innocent civilians? Or the Russian Army, teamed up with Assad and Erdogan? Yeah...easy-peasy: get a gun, learn some shooting and all will be for the best! ISIS "and all other terrorist groups" only have the power to radicalize people in this way, because WE give them enough arguments! God in heaven!
December 25, 20169 yr The best way, don't let the immigrants get ashore. Send army ships out to block them. This would save many people in the long term. For further advise, ask Australia.
December 25, 20169 yr 5 hours ago, i claudius said: Well you pay to look after them , it must be such a lovely place in your world , sitting there telling us how bad we are . ps your right about one thing ,i don't give a .....? bite me !!
December 25, 20169 yr Well they didn't try to come to the west did they?Sent from my ASUS_T00J using Tapatalk
December 25, 20169 yr 6 hours ago, DM07 said: Wow...you are even dumber than I thought! Yes, there is enough money, to give pensioners a rise- it just has to redistributed! You really don't get it, do you?! Cutting defense spendings would be one solution! I give you an example: in my hometown (Hamburg/ Germany) they built a new opera house! NO ONE needed that- but it is a new landmark to the city! Hooray! Started out as a 60 Million Euro project- 50% to be paid from taxes. Ended up 10 times that much! You could fund whole African villages with that kind of money! But now, some rich folks can go and see Jose Carreras and sip on champagne...which is way more important! And spare me your bulls....about the west building its lifestyle, because in large parts it was built on the back of the ones you so intensly despise! You are aware that all these European countries have a lot of debt themselves? And it's not like it's going uphill, but it's gonna get much worse, and unemployment has become a big problem as well. What I'm saying is that yes, some Europeans are rich, but a lot are struggling to make ends meet today, and that's just a fact. And concerning your opera hall: you might not like it (neither do I), but some people do, and they're taxpayers too, and a city's entitled to spend its money as it (its citizens) wishes. I guess you're writing these messages on a smartphone, tablet or computer that you own? Guess what, you could have sent this money to Africa instead....aren't you ashamed???
December 25, 20169 yr 48 minutes ago, Sapporillo said: You are aware that all these European countries have a lot of debt themselves? And it's not like it's going uphill, but it's gonna get much worse, and unemployment has become a big problem as well. What I'm saying is that yes, some Europeans are rich, but a lot are struggling to make ends meet today, and that's just a fact. And concerning your opera hall: you might not like it (neither do I), but some people do, and they're taxpayers too, and a city's entitled to spend its money as it (its citizens) wishes. I guess you're writing these messages on a smartphone, tablet or computer that you own? Guess what, you could have sent this money to Africa instead....aren't you ashamed??? Ah, the ever so popular "why don't you spend your own money"... You don't know, what I have done or do, to help out, so...
December 25, 20169 yr 34 minutes ago, DM07 said: Ah, the ever so popular "why don't you spend your own money"... You don't know, what I have done or do, to help out, so... What do you do/have done?
December 25, 20169 yr ·Migrant smuggling is a multinational business, with suspects originating from more than 100 countries. According to Europol and Interpol, migrants smuggling to Europe has yielded between five and six billion dollars in 2015.The chaos in Libya, since the fall of Colonel Gaddafi in 2011, favors all trafficking. "Any armed group can enter this business, traffickers use larger boats instead of inflatables, 600 or more people are piled on these old fishing boats. These boats are in poor condition and are not made to cross the Mediterranean. As soon as they go to sea, they call for help. Traffickers go so far as to give the number of aid to their victims. https://www.interpol.int/Crime-areas/Trafficking-in-human-beings/People-smuggling https://www.europol.europa.eu/newsroom/news/europol-and-interpol-issue-comprehensive-review-of-migrant-smuggling-networks Full Europol report PDF file , search " migrant smuggling networks - Europol"
December 25, 20169 yr 9 hours ago, DM07 said: Wow...you are even dumber than I thought!" blooper alert. The was a manifestly true externalisation of the TV demography. Keep the secret pls.
December 25, 20169 yr The oil wealthy counties , Saudi , etc . They have no concern about the well being of fellow Muslims. Leave that to those of the Christian faith , the enemy .
December 25, 20169 yr 23 minutes ago, elliss said: The oil wealthy counties , Saudi , etc . They have no concern about the well being of fellow Muslims. Leave that to those of the Christian faith , the enemy . It's that simple isn't it.
December 25, 20169 yr Ah, the ever so popular "why don't you spend your own money"... You don't know, what I have done or do, to help out, so... Then please carry on doing it. But please don't pontificate to us , most of us don't want them ,if you do ,up to you as the Thais say,but don't expect us to helpSent from my ASUS_T00J using Tapatalk
December 25, 20169 yr 6 hours ago, alocacoc said: The best way, don't let the immigrants get ashore. Send army ships out to block them. This would save many people in the long term. For further advise, ask Australia. Ah yes, the "I'm alright Jack" principle. For further information refer, Adolph Hitler, same ends, different means.
December 25, 20169 yr 3 hours ago, DM07 said: Ah, the ever so popular "why don't you spend your own money"... You don't know, what I have done or do, to help out, so... 3 hours ago, DM07 said: Ah, the ever so popular "why don't you spend your own money"... You don't know, what I have done or do, to help out, so... Ah, the ever so popular "I don't have an answer to your argument, so I just disappear..."
December 25, 20169 yr 4 minutes ago, chiang mai said: Ah yes, the "I'm alright Jack" principle. For further information refer, Adolph Hitler, same ends, different means. Well, let all immigrants in and a new Adolf will born. It's that what you want?
December 25, 20169 yr 11 hours ago, i claudius said: Yes but not enough money to give pensioners yearly rises ,living here ,even after they have paid in for 44 years , not enough to fund our hospitals properly ,not enough to patch up the roads back in Britain ,not enough to collect the rubbish weekly , and on and on , so i don't give 10 ...?s what anyone thinks , my father fought to keep our country free , they should stay and do the same ,not just run away and scrounge of us , and yes i do think its trajic that kids drown , but don't blame us ,blame their parents and those back in their country's that make it a sh-t hole , in the west we stayed and built our lifestyle , and they should do the same ,not come and scrounge what we built ,so sorry ,go and let your heart bleed over there helping them in their own land . And you cite Robert Graves... I remember grander visions, and eloquence in his prosaic assemblages of the past when I read him . Not that whining trot. I apologise for your pension purchasing power.
December 25, 20169 yr 1 hour ago, elliss said: The oil wealthy counties , Saudi , etc . They have no concern about the well being of fellow Muslims. Leave that to those of the Christian faith , the enemy . You will find some answers here (Lessons from Afghanistan for the Current Refugee Crisis) from section 5.1 https://gulbenkian.pt/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/UnderstandingtheDriversofMigrationtoEurope2016.pdf .
December 25, 20169 yr 50 minutes ago, alocacoc said: Well, let all immigrants in and a new Adolf will born. It's that what you want? So either kill them off or keep them out, just in case, hmm!
December 25, 20169 yr Please stay on topic and keep it civil. People making very negative comments condoning killing will receive suspensions. Some already have.
December 25, 20169 yr 7 hours ago, elliss said: The oil wealthy counties , Saudi , etc . They have no concern about the well being of fellow Muslims. Leave that to those of the Christian faith , the enemy . If you're referring to aid and and so on your claim is nonsense. If you're actually interested in this matter have a read of the content at.... http://www.opensourceinvestigations.com/syria/gulf-states-response-to-syrian-refugee-crisis-a-myth-debunked/
December 26, 20169 yr 12 hours ago, chiang mai said: Ah yes, the "I'm alright Jack" principle. For further information refer, Adolph Hitler, same ends, different means. What rubbish , if you want to equate anyone to Hitler do it to their own people ISIS , that are exterminating them ,not us we send boats to save them , not behead them and burn them alive or abduct their women and sell them as sex slaves , its Muslims that are the same as Hitler , in fact if i remember rightly they backed him in the second world war , so dont say stupid things .
December 26, 20169 yr 4 minutes ago, i claudius said: What rubbish , if you want to equate anyone to Hitler do it to their own people ISIS , that are exterminating them ,not us we send boats to save them , not behead them and burn them alive or abduct their women and sell them as sex slaves , its Muslims that are the same as Hitler , in fact if i remember rightly they backed him in the second world war , so dont say stupid things . You do not remember rightly: http://www.historytoday.com/david-motadel/muslims-hitlers-war Plus you can't read what I wrote, apparently!
December 26, 20169 yr 22 minutes ago, chiang mai said: You do not remember rightly: http://www.historytoday.com/david-motadel/muslims-hitlers-war Plus you can't read what I wrote, apparently! Sorry ,wrong , they did back him ,no matter what some apologist says ,and yes i can read what you wrote .
December 27, 20169 yr I wonder , DM07 , just what or who is the great people in the world, Is it all these rebel and terror groups. Is it the corrupt governments or dictators like Assad of Syria, or The governments in past and present in Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Afghanastan, and a lot in Africa as well. And DM07, do you know why Saudi Arabia has a very large airconditioned tent city and has no refugees in them, while Jordon has a large tent city, with thousands of people in them? I even wonder what kind of a teepee you live in with your lap top, cell phone etc in, and what kind of beast you use to get to work and back. Ha! Your house likely looks pretty nice, of course this is just my guess. Way to go Sappillo, Like your writing style. It just would be a lot more sense to house these refugees in another Muslim country that has the same climate, and maybe a slightly more similar language, and culture, for the refugees to live at before they can one day all go back to their own country. Europe, and North America are not the land of honey that many think. Geezer
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