British man assassinated in gangland hit in Pattaya

[manarak]

3 hours ago, elgordo38 said:

This is quite common among con artists to quote the bible or scriptures. I have personally run into it a couple of times. 

hello, I didn't write what your quote attributes to me

[Pat in Pattaya]

6 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

 

 

Not sure if you have read the news reports, it has been established that caldeira and Turner were both business partners of the victim. They all ran a boiler room together. They owed the victim a large sum of money. The victim was facing court for the boiler room and was calling for the two to be arrested.

 

 

Can you say 'victim' one more time?

[pattayahenry]

the hitman caldeira was born in madeira, portugal, he probably fled to brasil, like several criminals in the past, ronald biggs comes to mind, and they speak portuguese there. he likely will continue his boiler room business from there. maybe he has a cambodian passport now, because his mother ,who has gone into hiding, lives in cambodia .  just a guess.

 

[elgordo38]

2 minutes ago, pattayahenry said:

the hitman caldeira was born in madeira, portugal, he probably fled to brasil, like several criminals in the past, ronald biggs comes to mind, and they speak portuguese there. he likely will continue his boiler room business from there. maybe he has a cambodian passport now, because his mother ,who has gone into hiding, lives in cambodia .  just a guess.

 

Lets hope the back half of their plan is better than the first half. Hmm thats wrong lets hope the cops nab em. No doubt it will be up to the Brazilian cops to make the bust. 

[AlexRich]

9 minutes ago, elgordo38 said:

Lets hope the back half of their plan is better than the first half. Hmm thats wrong lets hope the cops nab em. No doubt it will be up to the Brazilian cops to make the bust. 

 

There's no evidence that these guys have left Cambodia. According to reports the Thai authorities have not requested that the Cambodian Police extradite them. That suggests that they would not be on any 'no fly' lists and would have had the opportunity to leave Cambodia without being held. If I were them I would have left Cambodia that day ... but I suspect that they did not realise that they were filmed in the act, so may have been complacent and felt safe in Cambodia.

 

This story will run and run.

[mstevens]

12 hours ago, LandOfWiles said:

Turner has a Spanish company with a dodgy sounding name for the categories it is listed in. Renewable Media sounds half energy company and half media company and it was listed in categories for property and construction. He also worked in a call center in Spain which suggests he was at least in the same line of business as Kenway.

Do you notice how these boiler room operations so often promote companies involved in renewable energy or anything green?  I guess they are trying to win people over by having some sort of corporate responsibility.

 

Some years ago when I was living in Bangkok I was called by an idiot from one of these companies.  I have no idea how he even got my name or Thailand phone number.  They sent me some information by email and they had an address in Pacific Place on Bangkok.  I Googled the address and it came up with another company so I went to the building (I only lived about a 20 minute walk away) and no-one had heard of them.

 

But back to my original point, whenever I hear anything to do with startups and investment and renewable energy I wonder if they are legit!

[manarak]

4 minutes ago, mstevens said:

Do you notice how these boiler room operations so often promote companies involved in renewable energy or anything green?  I guess they are trying to win people over by having some sort of corporate responsibility.

 

no, the corporate responsibility is not the reason.

the reason why they do this is because an increasing number of people are green nutters, gullible and receptive for conspiration theories, so they try to sell stocks in the company which will develop a miracle green product against the resistance of the industry and "the establishment"...

 

there are networks on the internet who specially attract gullible "special interest" people, such as people interested in esoterism, astrology, green nutters, alternative medicine, magnetism, etc.

they collect info about these people and then use their databases to send spam mail and do unsolicited calls.

[balo]

12 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Has it been established who took the video? Nice camera movements.

 

Why is that important ? Someone recorded from a smart phone. 

 

 

[prestburypark]

On 24/01/2017 at 7:22 AM, roo860 said:

 

 

Unless you're involved with money lenders, drug dealers etc, why would you feel unsafe?

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Mistaken identity, cheapness of murder contracts, Thainess, wealth redistribution, unknown grudges, xenophobia, random violence,

nutters, psychopaths, 3rd largest gun crime culture in the world, no effective policing or judiciary, corruption, ignorance on an industrial level, jealousy of perceived wealth, jealousy of real partners unknown to you, petty bs. , driving errors, beeping your horn, daring to get up and sing when a band is playing and enjoying yourself leading being stabbed by the band, road rage, Thainess, did I mention that? 

Theres a few to ponder.

[catman20]

3 hours ago, balo said:

 

Why is that important ? Someone recorded from a smart phone. 

 

 

dont thing the video was from a smart phone , more like cctv camra

[Stanley78]

14 minutes ago, catman20 said:

dont thing the video was from a smart phone , more like cctv camra

He meant that it was a recording from a smart phone of a screen showing CCTV camera footage.

[LandOfWiles]

10 minutes ago, catman20 said:

dont thing the video was from a smart phone , more like cctv camra

The CCTV is linked to a computer. You can see the mouse pointer during playback. They recorded the computer screen with a smartphone. This was likely because it was the easiest way to provide a copy to the police. You can see someone's finger at end end of the video touching the computer screen. 

 

 

[BruceMangosteen]

Has a reward been offered for their capture in Cambodia? If not, I doubt the Cambodian police or people will have any interest. The fleeing to Brazil is an interesting theory. 

[roo860]

Mistaken identity, cheapness of murder contracts, Thainess, wealth redistribution, unknown grudges, xenophobia, random violence,
nutters, psychopaths, 3rd largest gun crime culture in the world, no effective policing or judiciary, corruption, ignorance on an industrial level, jealousy of perceived wealth, jealousy of real partners unknown to you, petty bs. , driving errors, beeping your horn, daring to get up and sing when a band is playing and enjoying yourself leading being stabbed by the band, road rage, Thainess, did I mention that? 
Theres a few to ponder.

Bloody hell, bolt your door, don't open it to anyone, order a takeaway pizza, in fact don't, the delivery boy might shoot you!!!!!
[emoji23]

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[Blindedbythelight]

On 24/1/2560 at 2:46 PM, sandgroper2 said:

RIP in a gangland killing!  Maby not appropriate.

These so called investment guys and girls, call my office about once per month. They make deals with the biz card shops; and pay small amount of money for the name and phone numbers; when you get new cards.

How many lives have these people destroyed. I am only sorry for his family.

And sorry that it was not done by someone who he cheated life saving. And That someone who have said to him

" Pay back " before killing him.

 

[twizzian]

7 hours ago, mstevens said:

Do you notice how these boiler room operations so often promote companies involved in renewable energy or anything green?  I guess they are trying to win people over by having some sort of corporate responsibility.

 

Some years ago when I was living in Bangkok I was called by an idiot from one of these companies.  I have no idea how he even got my name or Thailand phone number.  They sent me some information by email and they had an address in Pacific Place on Bangkok.  I Googled the address and it came up with another company so I went to the building (I only lived about a 20 minute walk away) and no-one had heard of them.

 

But back to my original point, whenever I hear anything to do with startups and investment and renewable energy I wonder if they are legit!

 

Did you give the idiot your email address too?

[rudy h]

[elgordo38]

19 hours ago, LandOfWiles said:

Ah, I read this one too. But it only says It was believed regarding a link to the ex-business partner. If it was the work of an ex-partner you would think that they would have been able to find Kenway quicker. They were in Thailand for 5-6 days. The fact that they had to make do with a carpark in broad daylight suggests they didn't know him that well.  

 

I've just read on that same paper that Thailand has yet to make an official request for help from Cambodia and until they do it seems that no one is looking for the suspects. That strikes me as a bit odd...

The bush league police force seems to be at odds as to what to do next. I think they are all in denial as to this happening on their watch in their backyard. They are good at motorbike helmet checks etc but now the big leagues have come knocking on their door. 

Edited January 28, 2017 by elgordo38

[stupot1952]

On 26/01/2017 at 0:57 AM, lungnorm said:

All you sleuths should read this mornings Bangkok Post seem the cops are on the ball and have named the two suspects. And yes the victim was running a football scheme and maybe encroaching on others in the area doing similar schemes.

Oh Mr sleuth we see 

[elgordo38]

1 minute ago, stupot1952 said:

Oh Mr sleuth we see 

But but we get all our news from TV

[Rimmer]

A profane troll post has been trashed

[LandOfWiles]

If the ex-business partner and football betting thing is true then it could well be related to this Interpol sting in July 2016. 

 

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More than 4,100 arrests in INTERPOL-led operation targeting Asian illegal gambling networks

BANGKOK, Thailand - More than 4,100 people have been arrested and USD 13.6 million seized in two INTERPOL-led operations across Asia targeting illegal gambling dens and websites during the Euro 2016 football tournament.

During Operation SOGA VI (short for soccer gambling) nearly 4,000 raids were carried out across China – including Hong Kong and Macau – France, Greece, Italy, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam on illegal gambling dens estimated to have handled USD 649 million worth of bets. Additional investigative support was provided by the Netherlands.

Coordinated by INTERPOL’s Anti-Corruption and Financial crimes, Global Outreach and Regional Support units and its Liaison Office in Bangkok, both operations involved officers from INTERPOL National Central Bureaus and specialist units from across the region.

“The number of seizures is the highest and most significant amongst similar operations in recent years. The SOGA operations are important for tackling not just illegal gambling, but also the organized networks behind this and other types of crime,” said Chief Superintendent CHAN Lok-wing, Head of Hong Kong Police Force's Organized Crime and Triad Bureau (OCTB) and current Chairman of the Asia - Pacific Expert Group on Organized Crime.

“The Hong Kong Police will continue to support INTERPOL in identifying and dismantling crime networks at the national, regional and global level,” added Chief Superintendent Chan.

In addition to the operational activities, the OCTB also conducted a public education and awareness campaign via radio and television aimed at deterring illegal gambling.

With Operation SOGA focused on local and national organized crime networks the second operation, called Aces, involving Cambodia, Korea, Philippines, Thailand and Vietnam, targeted the transnational networks behind illicit websites and call-centre type operations running online scams resulting in 33 arrests.

Three offices running illegal online gambling sites were shut down in Thailand, and police in Malaysia arrested 15 individuals in connection with payment card fraud.

Computers and mobile phones seized in both operations will be analysed to identify the potential involvement of other individuals and networks across the Asian region and beyond.

“Illegal gambling generates massive profits for organized crime networks which are often linked to corruption, human trafficking and money laundering,” said Jim Anderson, head of INTERPOL’s Anti-Corruption and Financial Crimes unit.

“The successes of Operations SOGA and Aces would not have been achieved without global information sharing and the significant efforts by the law enforcement authorities on the ground,” added Mr Anderson.

To date, the combined six SOGA operations have resulted in more than 12,500 arrests, the seizure of around USD 53 million in cash and the closure of more than 3,400 illegal gambling dens which handled almost USD 6.4 billion worth of bets.

https://www.interpol.int/News-and-media/News/2016/N2016-095

Caldeira "liked" on Facebook at least four casinos in Sihanoukville as well as various football teams and players. So he could have lost some money as part of the above sting either as a partner or a customer. It could also be true that Kenway was not into boiler rooms but only running gambling websites without a licence i.e. he might not be have been as much as a lowlife as everyone assumes he was.  

[elgordo38]

2 minutes ago, LandOfWiles said:

 he might not be have been as much as a lowlife as everyone assumes he was.  

How comforting different levels of low lives. Sorry I am having a hard time digesting this. 

[LandOfWiles]

14 minutes ago, elgordo38 said:

How comforting different levels of low lives. Sorry I am having a hard time digesting this. 

I get where you are coming from. My point is that someone is dead and very little is known about why. It's best to reserve judgement before jumping to conclusions.

 

Running a gambling website without a licence - providing it paid out its customers - is nothing when compared to knowingly taking someones cash for stocks that do not exist or have very little value (boiler rooms). 

Edited January 28, 2017 by LandOfWiles

[impulse]

Lord, for my family's sake, I hope I don't get gunned down in Thailand.  They think I work an honest job at an oil company in BKK.  

 

Wait until they find out what nefarious things I must have done to deserve being shot in the head in my vehicle.

 

I won't care, of course.  I won't be around to care.

[Stanley78]

7 minutes ago, LandOfWiles said:

I get where you are coming from. My point is that someone is dead and very little is known about why. It's best to reserve judgement before jumping to conclusions.

 

Running a gambling website without a licence - providing it paid out it's customers - is nothing when compared to knowingly taking someones cash for stocks that do not exist or have very little value (boiler rooms). 

For a large number of reasons it is likely he was involved in boiler room activity. Some of those reasons being that the police have confirmed that albeit unofficially; that he was apparently arrested last year for running an illegal call centre; that his IT company lists as its services exactly the kind of VoIP services etc. that boiler rooms use; that he has strong connections to Costa Del Crime; that his Facebook idolizes the Wolf of Wallstreet. The list goes on.

 

I have worked with online gambling legally for 15 years and we don't use any of those services his IT company uses. Also in the online gambling industry people don't shoot each other.

Edited January 28, 2017 by Stanley78

[LandOfWiles]

2 minutes ago, Stanley78 said:

For a large number of reasons it is likely he was involved in boiler room activity. Some of those reasons being that the police have confirmed that albeit unofficially; that he was apparently arrested last year for running an illegal call centre; that his IT company lists as its services exactly the kind of VoIP services etc. that boiler rooms use; that he has strong connections to Costa Del Crime; that his Facebook idolizes the Wolf of Wallstreet. The list goes on.

 

I have worked with online gambling legally for 15 years and we don't use any of those services his IT company uses. Also in the online gambling industry people don't shoot each other.

I'm the last person that you need to convince about a "likely" link to boiler rooms and a criminal lifestyle. I also debunked his website as an obvious front in another thread. I have, however, refrained from calling him scum because that's the only decent thing to do until more info is available. If he was running boiler rooms then I have no sympathy for him. If, on the other hand, he was running an online gambling website and his only crime was that he did not have a licence then I don't think he deserved a hole in the head. 

[Stanley78]

Just now, LandOfWiles said:

I'm the last person that you need to convince about a "likely" link to boiler rooms and a criminal lifestyle. I also debunked his website as an obvious front in another thread. I have, however, refrained from calling him scum because that's the only decent thing to do until more info is available. If he was running boiler rooms then I have no sympathy for him. If, on the other hand, he was running an online gambling website and his only crime was that he did not have a licence then I don't think he deserved a hole in the head. 

I get where you're coming from but from you don't get a hit put on you just for not having a gambling license. That would make no sense at all.

[brewsterbudgen]

 
Why is that important ? Someone recorded from a smart phone. 
 
 

Who?

[LandOfWiles]

Just now, Stanley78 said:

I get where you're coming from but from you don't get a hit put on you just for not having a gambling license. That would make no sense at all.

Well plenty of people have competitors bumped off. Gangsters will kill each other after a minor loss of face or simply to remove someone who is in their way. Throughout history there are countless cases of murder for things that would seem trivial to me and you. People kill for love, family, jealously and all kinds of different reasons. 

 

Based on the info I have seen I would say I am 90% sure that Kenway was a criminal and 70% sure he was into boiler room scams. But that's only based on the info I know about Kenway, which is very little. I also don't know what I don't know about him.