British man assassinated in gangland hit in Pattaya

[dabhand]

A google search on the 'on the run Brit' name comes up with a connection to a Media company based in Barcelona. Given his unusual middle name likely to be him as not. Also the connection to Spain appears to match with the prior location of Kenway.

 

[rwdrwdrwd]

The other bloke is very easily found on Facebook, has recent updates from Cambodia.

[rwdrwdrwd]

Looking at the photo of them on stickboy, on the bike, with the maskless shooter dressed in the odd disguise he wore when shooting.. have to say not so professional after all.

 

All they needed to do was get an untraceable bike, wear full face helmets, and not flee the country together at the same time directly after the murder and there would be very little to go on.

[Peterw42]

The other bloke is very easily found on Facebook, has recent updates from Cambodia.

Thai police are probably looking at the Facebook posts with interest.
If stupid enough to give ID to rent the getaway bike, maybe stupid enough to check in on Facebook and report where you are.

[Thomas Hannah]

13 hours ago, zaphod reborn said:

 

Not quite true.  His wife, and his children, share his Thai property.  The Thai probate court does not have jurisdiction over any property and assets he has in the UK.

Yes.What you have said is true.But she can claim in British law.with British lawyer.Also his children will have been registerd at Bangkok and will have British birth certificates.Even if he is dead.They can still get birth certificate.many farangs think there assets are safe in there own countrys because of this law.Only safe when they are alive.

[Elkski]

most of you guys dont know anything about guns.  Yes,  any straight wall shell can be in a single shot or semi auto or revolver. Also easy to make a 2 shot pop stick.  to me it looked so quick .. this shooter guy has done this before!!!  

 

A gun is a tool... it can be used to kill humans or for sport and for dispatching wild game or defense.

A truck is a tool and can be useful or driven into a crowd.  This brazen killer could have easily used a 5" knife

 

I guess other rival business  guys (gang war) are going to come to the negotiating table now 

[gk10002000]

1 hour ago, rwdrwdrwd said:

Looking at the photo of them on stickboy, on the bike, with the maskless shooter dressed in the odd disguise he wore when shooting.. have to say not so professional after all.

 

All they needed to do was get an untraceable bike, wear full face helmets, and not flee the country together at the same time directly after the murder and there would be very little to go on.

yeah.  Not that I want to help bad guys but their method was a bit crude.  In the old movies and sometimes in real life the crooks typically steal a car to use during their crimes.  Of course stealing or borrowing a vehicle brings its own risks.  Modern day activities can leave a lot of electronic records, paperwork, documentation, etc.  It is hard to remain anonymous while doing things.  The funny thing is so many people spend more time and energy trying to take short cuts, make a quick buck, etc.  than if they had just kept their nose clean and worked hard for a while. 

[HooHaa]

On 1/24/2017 at 3:31 PM, JHolmesJr said:

hope it does not turn out to be a case of "he who lives by the sword…."

 

Why? 

 

What does that even mean?

[ukrules]

3 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

Hired the get away bike with their own IDs and gave true addresses, This may be there first time as hitmen, lol

 

Probably their last as well.

 

These 2 idiots will be on their way back to thailand before we know it.

[MahasarakhamMitch]

He should have taken his money and retired to Koh Samui

[tropo]

11 hours ago, YeahSiam said:

Back that up with something more than irrational scaremongering a la Thaivisa

I will, but you first. Please explain how splashing wealth around in the open is a safe way for foreigners to live in Thailand, without becoming targets? Commonsense is hardly irrational. Your comment is irrational.

 

 

[pegman]

A guy on a Cambodia forum stated he knew Kenway years ago and he had told him he was planning to open a business in Phnom Penh. The Portuguese/South African guy lived in Phnom Penh as did his mother and sister. Maybe he or his family got ripped off there. That could explain some of the amateurness.

[lungnorm]

12 hours ago, BruceMangosteen said:

So you are saying the weapon used is unknown and the .38 casing is from a prior assassination, gunfight, or just target practice in the same parking lot?

 

Regarding the Porsche, it was discussed very recently how and if you could cross into Cambodia via the land borders in an expensive vehicle like a Porsche, being a farang at the wheel and owner. There is a clue there somewhere. Follow what happens to the vehicle, who gets it, and you will have a clue as to who ordered the hit. 

 

While laughed off, the Work Permit is also a clue. Who took care of it for the deceased or was he working illegally? Follow the trail of the "agent" who got it for him if same exist. They will have again clues as to his connections. 

 

Just trying to help. God Bless all victims, both living and deceased. 

Modern detective methods include the checking the call history of all phones accessed by the POI, not just their phones but also checking the call history of some or maybe all numbers he called or called him. They develop a powerpoint and can see who has called who. This usually turns up some startling info about who is associated with who. Thailand is a great place for this method as I have used it there not only are phone bills available for registered cell phones but also available for any phone prepaid etc. The cost is quite cheap but the Police would not be paying.I used this method many times whilst doing investigations in Thailand.

[lungnorm]

11 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Like Ian Travis in Bangkok June 2006.

Wrong it was done on a tv program similar to 60 minutes not too long ago. They caught the guy in a hotel room in London. There is another ongoing sage I saw on TV where a victim was dismantling the scammers empire bit by bit. There are some very determined victims.

[lungnorm]

All you sleuths should read this mornings Bangkok Post seem the cops are on the ball and have named the two suspects. And yes the victim was running a football scheme and maybe encroaching on others in the area doing similar schemes.

[Stanley78]

12 minutes ago, lungnorm said:

All you sleuths should read this mornings Bangkok Post seem the cops are on the ball and have named the two suspects. And yes the victim was running a football scheme and maybe encroaching on others in the area doing similar schemes.

I doubt he was killed over online football gambling. That's not how of the online gambling business is run. I've worked with it for 15 years and people do go around shooting each other in this industry. Keyword being ONLINE. Since you can do online work from anywhere, it is very hard to enroach on someone else by simply being in "their" city. Hell no one would normally even know you do the same as them just because you're in the same city as them.

 

I believe it is related to something with boiler room or some other scam. Both Tony Kenway and Miles Dicken Turner have connections to Spain which is a well known hotspot for boiler room activities, just as Thailand is. Also Tony Kenway's Jomtien based "IT company" provide the kind of specific services which are known to be used by boiler rooms (VoIP calling etc.)

 

Also a previous poster mentioned that Tony had been indicted for real estate fraud and had been encouraged to leave Thailand but had refused to do so, instead waiting for trial. Miles Dicken Turner is registered as owning a company called Renewable Media SL in Spain which according to the online records is in the CONSTRUCTION / REAL ESTATE PROMOTION industry.

 

So could be boiler room related, could be real estate fraud related, could be both. But online gambling? I doubt it. The lifetime value for a online gambling customer is about USD 300-500. That is nothing compared to how much they can get by tricking someone to give away their life savings.

 

Also, ILLEGAL online gambling? Why do you need to do it illegally? There's a million countries where you can get a license to promote or even run online gambling. Even if you wanted to target say online gambling customers in Asia, you could still be doing it legally from Europe without any risk of being shot.

[YeahSiam]

4 hours ago, tropo said:

I will, but you first. Please explain how splashing wealth around in the open is a safe way for foreigners to live in Thailand, without becoming targets? Commonsense is hardly irrational. Your comment is irrational.

 

 

Nope that's not what I said.

I responded to your suggestion that driving a Porsche is "asking for trouble".

It's not "asking for trouble" - foreigners are generally perceived to have more money anyway so by your logic, just having a white face is enough to get you smoked, kidnapped or jacked here and, sorry, but most farangs report feeling safer here than in their own countries.

 

Look, maybe you live in a backwater with loads of people getting around 4 or 5 to a moped.

I see that shit once in blue moon around here

I see lots of people - Thai and non-Thai - driving BMWs, Mercs or Porsches and they aren't in mortal danger.

[catman20]

5 minutes ago, YeahSiam said:

Nope that's not what I said.

I responded to your suggestion that driving a Porsche is "asking for trouble".

It's not "asking for trouble" - foreigners are generally perceived to have more money anyway so by your logic, just having a white face is enough to get you smoked, kidnapped or jacked here and, sorry, but most farangs report feeling safer here than in their own countries.

 

Look, maybe you live in a backwater with loads of people getting around 4 or 5 to a moped.

I see that shit once in blue moon around here

I see lots of people - Thai and non-Thai - driving BMWs, Mercs or Porsches and they aren't in mortal danger.

your spot on mate

[sandgroper2]

10 hours ago, JerryinTH said:

He was on trial for boiler room charges lol.. 

 

Kenway’s wife Somporn, 32, told police her husband recently had a business conflict with a former shareholder in their website design company at Jomtien beach but did not know if it was the motive for the murder.

A source close to the investigation said Ms Somporn’s statements corresponded to the findings that Kenway had interests in a football gambling website which led him to a conflict with another group of foreigners. Kenway had met the group twice to try to settle their differences but to no avail. This might be the motive for the killing, the source said.

Kenway was known to police and immigration officials as in 2015 he had been arrested and charged with working without a valid work permit and employing aliens. He was on bail and awaiting trial for these offenses.

Additionally journalists have now discovered that Kenway had an interest in a ‘call-center operation,’ otherwise known as ‘boiler rooms,’ that were established to encourage foreigners to invest money locally in business and property.

It is a matter of record that these phony investment schemes led to the losses of millions of baht for victims and in September 2016 Kenway was arrested and charged with fraud.

He denied all charges and, despite officials encouraging him to leave the country, he insisted he was innocent and wanted to stay and face trial later in the year. Kenway was on police bail at the time of his murder. His next court appearance was scheduled for February 23.

Nong Prue police called in Ms Somporn and six witnesses for additional inquiries on Wednesday. Pol Maj Jeerasak Aabfang, an inquiry officer, declined to comment on the progress of the case, saying only that the slain businessman had four houses but lived with Ms Somporn at a housing estate in Bang Lamung.

Stop confusing and contradicting all the Dick Tracys with facts. This isnt the place for that.

[NanLaew]

51 minutes ago, Stanley78 said:

There's a million countries where you can get a license to promote or even run online gambling.

If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times... Stop exaggerating!

Depending upon the source you acknowledge, there may be 189, 191, 192, 193, 194, 195 or 196 independent countries in existence upon our globe today

 

Agreed that the owner/operator of a successful online football gambling website could be just about anywhere in the world he chooses. But lets say that he had chosen to pitch his tent in Pattaya and found out through the industry grapevine that the operator of a very successful competitor website had just set up shop in Jomtien. A lot easier than shutting down a rival who may have chosen to run his business from (say) Marbella or Phnom Penh.

 

[lungnorm]

55 minutes ago, Stanley78 said:

I doubt he was killed over online football gambling. That's not how of the online gambling business is run. I've worked with it for 15 years and people do go around shooting each other in this industry. Keyword being ONLINE. Since you can do online work from anywhere, it is very hard to enroach on someone else by simply being in "their" city. Hell no one would normally even know you do the same as them just because you're in the same city as them.

 

I believe it is related to something with boiler room or some other scam. Both Tony Kenway and Miles Dicken Turner have connections to Spain which is a well known hotspot for boiler room activities, just as Thailand is. Also Tony Kenway's Jomtien based "IT company" provide the kind of specific services which are known to be used by boiler rooms (VoIP calling etc.)

 

Also a previous poster mentioned that Tony had been indicted for real estate fraud and had been encouraged to leave Thailand but had refused to do so, instead waiting for trial. Miles Dicken Turner is registered as owning a company called Renewable Media SL in Spain which according to the online records is in the CONSTRUCTION / REAL ESTATE PROMOTION industry.

 

So could be boiler room related, could be real estate fraud related, could be both. But online gambling? I doubt it. The lifetime value for a online gambling customer is about USD 300-500. That is nothing compared to how much they can get by tricking someone to give away their life savings.

 

Also, ILLEGAL online gambling? Why do you need to do it illegally? There's a million countries where you can get a license to promote or even run online gambling. Even if you wanted to target say online gambling customers in Asia, you could still be doing it legally from Europe without any risk of being shot.

I was not thinking of online gambling.There is another angle, live streaming of football matches for paying viewers.Yes it happens and you don't have to be in Thailand to do it. I was part of an investigation into live streaming of football matches in Australia. We found it was being conducted from an innocent looking house in a suburb not too far from a main city. It can be done from anywhere. In Tony's case I think he had more than one iron in the fire. Yes it may even be a real estate scam/boiler room the possibilities are endless. But not online gambling. 

[Peterw42]

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

If I've told you once, I've told you a thousands times... Stop exaggerating!

Depending upon the source you acknowledge, there may be 189, 191, 192, 193, 194, 195 or 196 independent countries in existence upon our globe today

 

Agreed that the owner/operator of a successful online football gambling website could be just about anywhere in the world he chooses. But lets say that he had chosen to pitch his tent in Pattaya and found out through the industry grapevine that the operator of a very successful competitor website had just set up shop in Jomtien. A lot easier than shutting down a rival who may have chosen to run his business from (say) Marbella or Phnom Penh.

 

Recent reports were saying he was in dispute with gambling website partners.

[Stanley78]

24 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times... Stop exaggerating!

Depending upon the source you acknowledge, there may be 189, 191, 192, 193, 194, 195 or 196 independent countries in existence upon our globe today

 

Agreed that the owner/operator of a successful online football gambling website could be just about anywhere in the world he chooses. But lets say that he had chosen to pitch his tent in Pattaya and found out through the industry grapevine that the operator of a very successful competitor website had just set up shop in Jomtien. A lot easier than shutting down a rival who may have chosen to run his business from (say) Marbella or Phnom Penh.

 

The thing is that in online gambling we don't try to shutdown competitors and we don't care where our competitors are based. If we did care then the entire island of Malta, which is stacked with online gambling operators, would turn into a bloodbath. You can't go to lunch there without seeing 10 other gambling operators in the same restaurant.

 

The only way it would be an issue, would be if say Tony worked for/with a gambling operator. And then he decided to branch out on his own and stole their customer data or other business secrets. That has happened a number of times in online gambling. Even with millions of customers. And guess what, no one was shot.

 

But that sounds like a long shot compared to boiler room/other fraud activities.

 

Maybe the RTP doesn't want it to be related to boiler rooms and prefer to pick a smaller target and say it's gambling instead?

[NanLaew]

9 minutes ago, Stanley78 said:

The thing is that in online gambling we don't try to shutdown competitors and we don't care where our competitors are based. If we did care then the entire island of Malta, which is stacked with online gambling operators, would turn into a bloodbath. You can't go to lunch there without seeing 10 other gambling operators in the same restaurant.

 

The only way it would be an issue, would be if say Tony worked for/with a gambling operator. And then he decided to branch out on his own and stole their customer data or other business secrets. That has happened a number of times in online gambling. Even with millions of customers. And guess what, no one was shot.

 

But that sounds like a long shot compared to boiler room/other fraud activities.

 

Maybe the RTP doesn't want it to be related to boiler rooms and prefer to pick a smaller target and say it's gambling instead?

Good points and thanks for sharing your knowledge here. As you say unlikely but there's always a first time. Gambling on football is huge in the region, not just in Thailand. Wasn't there a recent hunt for some Singaporean 'businessman' a few years back for alleged EPL match fixing directly related to gambling?

 

In one of the many articles linked to this story, the victim was advised to leave the country rather than face court next month for what appears on the surface to be Thai Labour law violations. Of course it is never clear who made this suggestion but it does infer that possibly some powerful if not influential feathers risked being ruffled.

[superal]

On 24/01/2017 at 9:51 PM, 4MyEgo said:

How contaminated was the scene, car door left wide open, ah, hello if you played the video enough times, you would see that the "gutless" Assassin wasn't wearing gloves, very amateur, and put his hands on the door, twice, did anybody dust for prints ?

 

My thoughts as well however I would be surprised if there is a fingerprint bank in Thailand and so the gunman would need to be caught first and then prints compared . Scene of the crime preservation is critical but looking at the bandaged corpse there must have been a lot of activity in and around the car that may have wiped the gunmans prints plus how many people touched the car and where are they now to eliminate them from enquiries . If the cctv was running it may give a clue . Having said all this we are not partial to information that the police may gather from mafia connections who will be in the know if a hitman was used . Whoever was involved knew of Kenway's movements as the gunman was in waiting and probably not have followed Kenways car on a motorcycle . The main clue must be the motorcycle number plus any other cctv that the police probably have but I think the gunman and his accomplice will be far away by now especially after the number plate was announced in the media . 

[Peterw42]

Lots of fragmented information out there now, a little hard to keep track. It appears the victim was involved in several activities, any one of them a reason as to someone wanting him dead.

Looking at the victims Facebook page , and now the alleged shooters page, their seems to be a recurring theme. They all appear to be obsessed with the movie "the wolf of wall street". Quotes from the movie, they refer to themselves as wolves etc. Maybe someone should point out that its not a documentary, its a fictional Hollywood movie.

[Peterw42]

5 minutes ago, superal said:

My thoughts as well however I would be surprised if there is a fingerprint bank in Thailand and so the gunman would need to be caught first and then prints compared . Scene of the crime preservation is critical but looking at the bandaged corpse there must have been a lot of activity in and around the car that may have wiped the gunmans prints plus how many people touched the car and where are they now to eliminate them from enquiries . If the cctv was running it may give a clue . Having said all this we are not partial to information that the police may gather from mafia connections who will be in the know if a hitman was used . Whoever was involved knew of Kenway's movements as the gunman was in waiting and probably not have followed Kenways car on a motorcycle . The main clue must be the motorcycle number plus any other cctv that the police probably have but I think the gunman and his accomplice will be far away by now especially after the number plate was announced in the media . 

lots of recent reports , suspects identified and traced to cambodia.

[juice777]

Lots of fragmented information out there now, a little hard to keep track. It appears the victim was involved in several activities, any one of them a reason as to someone wanting him dead.

Looking at the victims Facebook page , and now the alleged shooters page, their seems to be a recurring theme. They all appear to be obsessed with the movie "the wolf of wall street". Quotes from the movie, they refer to themselves as wolves etc. Maybe someone should point out that its not a documentary, its a fictional Hollywood movie.

But it's based on true events I've read one of his books cracking good read it

was.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/jordan-belfort-the-real-wolf-of-wall-street-and-the-men-who-brought-him-down-9047015.html

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[Peterw42]

4 minutes ago, juice777 said:

But it's based on true events I've read one of his books cracking good read it

was.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/jordan-belfort-the-real-wolf-of-wall-street-and-the-men-who-brought-him-down-9047015.html

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Yes, have read some of them, and as you say a great read.

And having read some of the accounts, its not hard to identify the victim as being part of it. 30 odd years old, independently wealthy with no visible income, properties, boats, expensive cars, living under the radar in a foreign country.

 

But these guys seem to look on "wolf of wallstreet" as almost a religion, a lifesyle guide.

[stupot1952]

18 hours ago, Tom Cahill said:

Who says I'm jealous?  What did I say to indicate that?  He's one of those theives who lives in Thailand and thinks no one will catch him according to the article.  I know a load of them who do the same thing.

 

Well if you know a load of them hope you report them to the police