List of Docs/forms needed to convert tourist visa to Non-Imm O for retirement

[tazly]

Thanks for info.  If posted elsewhere already, please post link.

[ubonjoe]

You must have at least 15 day remaining on the 60 day entry from your tourist visa or the 30 day extension of it to apply.

You will need a completed TM86 change of visa status form.

Copies of your passport photo page, visa, entry stamp, and TM6 departure card.

A bank letter verifying your account and balance and another letter confirming the funds were transferred from abroad. Copies of your bank book showing at least 800k baht in the bank on the date you apply. Or a letter from your embassy confirming at least 65K baht income. Or a combination of money the bank and income totaling 800k baht.

There may be other requirements dependent upon the office where you apply.

[YetAnother]

now THIS is the type and style of what we (and everyone) needs to know

[ChouDoufu]

i will be doing this very procedure in bangkok in about two months.

am over 50, with 800k in a thai bank transferred from usa.

 

currently in china with china residence permit.  contacted thai consulate about

OA visa.  too much paperwork & requires local documents, translated and

notarized, then legalized at the thai embassy.  plus a visit to the unfriendly folks

at the us embassy.  have asked consulate about availability of O visa, pending

response.  thought it would be simpler to get the visa before arrival in thailand,

but apparently not.

 

i have a few questions about the O visa application in thailand:

(not really a visa?  request extension of stay based on retirement.)

 

is there any need for proof of residence to apply for the non-imm O (retirement) when

on a 30-day visa waiver?  i have girlfriend's address where i receive bank statements,

but no lease or bills in my name.

 

is it true that both bank statements absolutely MUST be dated the day of application?

from your post, the bankbook must be updated that day as well.

 

is is true that 800k in a time deposit account is NOT acceptable?  must be standard

passbook savings account.

[tazly]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

You must have at least 15 day remaining on the 60 day entry from your tourist visa or the 30 day extension of it to apply.

You will need a completed TM86 change of visa status form.

Copies of your passport photo page, visa, entry stamp, and TM6 departure card.

A bank letter verifying your account and balance and another letter confirming the funds were transferred from abroad. Copies of your bank book showing at least 800k baht in the bank on the date you apply. Or a letter from your embassy confirming at least 65K baht income. Or a combination of money the bank and income totaling 800k baht.

There may be other requirements dependent upon the office where you apply.

Ubonjoe,

 

Would have a link to the TM86 form?

 

Thx.

[ubonjoe]

8 hours ago, tazly said:

Would have a link to the TM86 form?

In MS word format: http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/download/tm86.doc

[ubonjoe]

9 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

i have a few questions about the O visa application in thailand:

(not really a visa?  request extension of stay based on retirement.)

is there any need for proof of residence to apply for the non-imm O (retirement) when

on a 30-day visa waiver?  i have girlfriend's address where i receive bank statements,

but no lease or bills in my name.

is it true that both bank statements absolutely MUST be dated the day of application?

from your post, the bankbook must be updated that day as well.

is is true that 800k in a time deposit account is NOT acceptable?  must be standard

passbook savings account.

If you enter on a visa exempt entry you would only have 15 days to do the application for a non immigrant visa at immigration unless you apply for the 30 day extension. I suggest you get a single entry tourist visa that would give you more time to do the application without needing to get the 30 day extension.

Bangkok is not as strict for having proof of residence to apply for the visa. If your girlfriend has a rental agreement she can write a short statement that you are living with her, attach a copy of her ID card to it along with the agreement.

Bangkok immigration will accept a bank letter from the day before but will want the bank book to be updated  on the date of application. There are branches of most banks on the ground floor of Chaeng Wattana immigration which makes it easy to get the letter and bank book update on the day you apply.

A standard fixed term account will be accepted as long as the funds can be withdrawn without any delay or penalty other than loss of interest.

[buick]

10 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

is there any need for proof of residence to apply for the non-imm O (retirement) when

on a 30-day visa waiver?  i have girlfriend's address where i receive bank statements,

but no lease or bills in my name.

 

is it true that both bank statements absolutely MUST be dated the day of application?

from your post, the bankbook must be updated that day as well.

i converted a visa exempt entry to a non imm O at chaeng wattana in march.  recently did the 12 month extension.  i brought a copy of my rental agreement but no one asked for it in connection with the non imm O or the extension.  it is possible that i'm in their system as i've done several extensions of visa exempt and tourist visa entries.  all with the same address.  you could try it w/o residence proof but probably better to have what UBJ suggests above.

 

i got the bank letter (letters in my case as i have a USD account and a THB account) the day before.  for the THB account, i deposited 1000 baht after i got the letter.  the next day, when i got to CW, i went to the bank branch downstairs and withdrew the 1000 in order to be able to update the bank book with the date of my visit (and have a balance that matched the letter).  it might be best to get the letters from your bank branch located at CW before you head into immigration.  the banks don't look all that busy in the am (i've been to CW 4 times in the last 3 months and spent some time walking around there).  maybe give that a try when you apply for the conversion.  i didn't have to wait long at all for my two visits related to the conversion, one to apply and one to pick up/receive non imm o stamp. so a stop at the bank plus the immigration desk doesn't take all that much time.

 

the wait is alot longer when you get the extension.  you might consider making a copy of the letters you get from your bank at CW during the conversion process (can make copies at CW).  then you can show these to your local branch to make sure you get the right letters for your extension.  probably better to get the letters the day before when going for the extension as you could have 20+ people show up in front of you as you wait to get the bank letters.  when i got my extension, they were doing about 20 an hour.

 

 

[tazly]

17 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

In MS word format: http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/download/tm86.doc

UJ that form seems to have a number of square boxes on it which I cannot delete....is there another?

[ubonjoe]

7 hours ago, tazly said:

UJ that form seems to have a number of square boxes on it which I cannot delete....is there another?

It is probably a problem the program you opened the file with. I suspect though  the boxes are the ones that you can click and fill out.

Here is a PDF version of the form. TM86.pdf . If using Adobe Acrobat Reader DC you can use the Fill & Sign function to complete it.. Note that it is a 2 page form that must be printed 2 sided.

[tazly]

26 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

It is probably a problem the program you opened the file with. I suspect though  the boxes are the ones that you can click and fill out.

Here is a PDF version of the form. TM86.pdf . If using Adobe Acrobat Reader DC you can use the Fill & Sign function to complete it.. Note that it is a 2 page form that must be printed 2 sided.

u da man!

[gk10002000]

On 5/24/2017 at 10:29 AM, ChouDoufu said:

i will be doing this very procedure in bangkok in about two months.

am over 50, with 800k in a thai bank transferred from usa.

 

currently in china with china residence permit.  contacted thai consulate about

OA visa.  too much paperwork & requires local documents, translated and

notarized, then legalized at the thai embassy.  plus a visit to the unfriendly folks

at the us embassy.  have asked consulate about availability of O visa, pending

response.  thought it would be simpler to get the visa before arrival in thailand,

but apparently not.

 

i have a few questions about the O visa application in thailand:

(not really a visa?  request extension of stay based on retirement.)

 

is there any need for proof of residence to apply for the non-imm O (retirement) when

on a 30-day visa waiver?  i have girlfriend's address where i receive bank statements,

but no lease or bills in my name.

 

is it true that both bank statements absolutely MUST be dated the day of application?

from your post, the bankbook must be updated that day as well.

 

is is true that 800k in a time deposit account is NOT acceptable?  must be standard

passbook savings account.

Agreed. This is the way I plan to go.  while it would be nice to do it in advance here in the states before going, and at one time I did assemble just about all the stuff needed, it is a pain and a hassle.  Get a Tourist visa, and do the visa over there.

[YetAnother]

39 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:

is is true that 800k in a time deposit account is NOT acceptable?  must be standard

passbook savings account.

at the thai bank that i use, the biggest one, years ago as a tourist there was only one type of account that you could open as a tourist; i used that one; it is not the same type as the ones you can open here as a long-time-stayer with many retirement extensions; that original account worked fine for the initial 1 year extension and i still use it these years later for the bank requirement

[ChouDoufu]

On 5/25/2017 at 8:13 AM, ubonjoe said:

If you enter on a visa exempt entry you would only have 15 days to do the application for a non immigrant visa at immigration unless you apply for the 30 day extension. I suggest you get a single entry tourist visa that would give you more time to do the application without needing to get the 30 day extension.....

 

 

 

usa passport, will arrive on 30-day visa waiver.  is that not enough time to submit the application?

 

i already have three bank accounts opened with tourist visa.

one is normal passbook savings for daily use.

 

opened a second passbook savings at another bank to transfer in

the required 800K and leave untouched.

 

but that bank allowed me to move the 800k to an interest-bearing

time deposit account, which coincidentally matures the day

after i return.  i would return the cash to the passbook account,

get the two statements (one showing balance, the other confirming

cash was from foreign source), then next morning update passbook

and apply for extension.  after that could put 800 back into a time

deposit, after confirming i can withdraw the cash at any time,

only penalty being loss of interest.

 

[ubonjoe]

4 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

usa passport, will arrive on 30-day visa waiver.  is that not enough time to submit the application?

In your case you will have enough time. If you did not have the account opened and the money transferred in it might not be enough time.

Remember the the money must be in the bank for 60 days when you apply for the extension.

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, ChouDoufu said:

but that bank allowed me to move the 800k to an interest-bearing

time deposit account, which coincidentally matures the day

after i return.  i would return the cash to the passbook account,

get the two statements (one showing balance, the other confirming

cash was from foreign source), then next morning update passbook

and apply for extension.  after that could put 800 back into a time

deposit, after confirming i can withdraw the cash at any time,

only penalty being loss of interest.

 

Do not return the cash from the Fixed term account to your Savings account.

Just leave it in that account and use that to complete your extension.

Most fixed term account revert to standard interest rates after maturity.

 

If you move it, it will create a different account number and won't be seasoned for required 60 days.

 

 

[ChouDoufu]

success!  despite one hiccup, it was relatively painless.  almost too easy.  without the hiccup would have been a maximum 20-minute process.

 

800K x'fered  5 months ago into savings, then put in a time deposit account.

 

late wednesday afternoon, went to bk bank branch where had time deposit, got statement of account, but they were unable to give me guarantee letter, and could not explain why not. said maybe go to silom where i had opened the savings account.  too late in the day, so.....

 

thursday morning, a couple hours of bus got me to immigration doorway at 8:23.  only about 60 lined up.  went downstairs to bangkok bank, only one in line.  got the bank guarantee letter showing account balance, but NOT the guarantee letter showing 800k from a foreign source.  why? their accessible computer records only go back 90 days.  my FTT was 5 months old.  must go to silom branch.  unable to have silom do the form and fax/email.  must go in person.  too late now, so give it a try, as i had savings account bank statement showing FTT, as well as us bank statements showing xfer to bangbok bank.  so many evidences.

 

at 8:37 left the bank headed upstairs, line down to 3 at first counter, then 12 at the get-a-number station.  2nd in line at "C" desk, no waiting.  the woman at "C" desk was incredibly unpleasant.  don't know why, just seemed to be disgusted by all things foreign.  just my impression.

 

went through paper checklist....here are a few notes:

 

*account statement was not needed, only the TWO bank guarantee letters.

 

*TM86 is for those with a tourist visa...you want to change visa.

 

*TM87 is for those visa exempt....you want to request a visa.

 

*i provided white and blue background photos.  lady chose white.

 

*need to provide copies of passbook showing savings OR fixed deposit account.

 

*item 5.3 requires "Evidence of foreign currency fund transferred to Thailand." 

 

item 5.3 requires "evidence" which "should" be whatever can show the funds were transferred from outside of thailand.  does not say guarantee letter from the bank, but that is what you will need to provide.  so jumped in a taxi and headed for silom.

 

was directed to first floor counter 57/58.  do NOT go there.  despite providing "evidence of foreign currency transfer" in thai, man will give you another bank statement.  when questioned he will say it's correct.  when questioned again, he will tell you go to immigration now.  when asking for his supervisor, he will say he is the boss.  when his boss arrives, he will apologize, return your 100 baht, and send you upstairs.

 

go to 2nd floor service counters 27-30.  they will give you a dot-printer fanfold "credit/advice receipt" showing all your ftt's.  (this form not needed) then they will give you a letter in thai to immigration declaring your foreign cash transfer.  be sure they select the proper ftt if you have more than one.  the nice lady will also update your passbooks and make copies for you.

 

had the man downstairs not wasted time, could have been back to immigration before lunch break.  in this story, we return at 1:00, go directly to the desk, turn in our missing letter, pay our 2000 baht, and get a pickup advice for two weeks in the future.  and out the door to the waiting shuttle at 1:15.

 

[gk10002000]

On 5/24/2017 at 5:59 AM, ubonjoe said:

You must have at least 15 day remaining on the 60 day entry from your tourist visa or the 30 day extension of it to apply.

You will need a completed TM86 change of visa status form.

Copies of your passport photo page, visa, entry stamp, and TM6 departure card.

A bank letter verifying your account and balance and another letter confirming the funds were transferred from abroad. Copies of your bank book showing at least 800k baht in the bank on the date you apply. Or a letter from your embassy confirming at least 65K baht income. Or a combination of money the bank and income totaling 800k baht.

There may be other requirements dependent upon the office where you apply.

Given the recent changes to monthly income stuff, how does that change the conversion from SETV to o visa

 

[mtls2005]

On 7/21/2017 at 3:03 PM, ChouDoufu said:

went through paper checklist

 

Any chance you could post images of this checklist?

 

There have been a few individual imm. office checklists posted here but I don't recal one from Div. 1/CW.

 

 

On 7/21/2017 at 3:03 PM, ChouDoufu said:

go to 2nd floor service counters 27-30.  they will give you a dot-printer fanfold "credit/advice receipt" showing all your ftt's.  (this form not needed) then they will give you a letter in thai to immigration declaring your foreign cash transfer.  be sure they select the proper ftt if you have more than one.  the nice lady will also update your passbooks and make copies for you.

 

You used the 800k method, right? 

 

Interesting that Div. 1/CW asked for the provenance of the 800k? But maybe that was necessary to show the proper ageing, if transferred into savings from elsehwere, and then moved to a time deposit.

[ubonjoe]

4 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

Given the recent changes to monthly income stuff, how does that change the conversion from SETV to o visa



Not sure why you bumped up a 2 year old topic.

Without proof of income from an embassy you would need at least one transfer of the 65k into a Thai bank from abroad. 

[gk10002000]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

Not sure why you bumped up a 2 year old topic.

Without proof of income from an embassy you would need at least one transfer of the 65k into a Thai bank from abroad. 

I bumped it up because of the recent changes in the income method, 3 months, 12 months continuous etc.  So are you saying that if I do the Visa conversion one would only have to show one transfer?  That kind of makes sense since one is just starting, but it seems too easy

[XD1 at Phuket]

https://www.immigration.go.th/download/1486548522842.doc

 

TM-86 should be this.

 

[ubonjoe]

3 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:

So are you saying that if I do the Visa conversion one would only have to show one transfer?  That kind of makes sense since one is just starting, but it seems too easy

It written in rules that for first extension of stay application you only need one transfer to do the application. Which means for the change of visa status application only one would be needed.

 

[Tanoshi]

https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_80

DOCUMENTS TO BE SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION FOR VISA OR VISA STATUS ALTERATION (NON-O): FOR RETIREMENT PURPOSES.

[ChouDoufu]

On 5/6/2019 at 8:18 AM, mtls2005 said:

Any chance you could post images of this checklist?

 

There have been a few individual imm. office checklists posted here but I don't recal one from Div. 1/CW.

sorry, out of country until the summer, files in bangkok.  it was a photocopy form handed out by the io at cw, should have been updated by now.

 

yes, it was 800k.  had to show foreign source for first application.