jb61 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) hummm, has a back channel to Russia never happened before. Edited May 29, 2017 by jb61 clarify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb61 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 not a trump fan, but it sounds like they are inferring we don't have a memory. Presidents JFK, Clinton, Reagan and even Obama had back channels to Russia, and Obama had a back channel to Iran. https://theduran.com/remember-barack-obama-setting-back-channel-communications-russia/ https://dailyreadlist.com/article/reports-obama-campaign-opened-back-channel-to-ira-56 http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2017/05/john_f_kennedy_had_a_russian_back_channel.html http://www.suzannemassie.com/reaganYears.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, jb61 said: not a trump fan, but I am referred to the old saying; "don't piss in my pocket then tell me it's raining." It sounds like this has never occurred before. Presidents JFK, Reagan, and yes, even Obama had back channels to Russia and Iran. https://theduran.com/remember-barack-obama-setting-back-channel-communications-russia/ https://dailyreadlist.com/article/reports-obama-campaign-opened-back-channel-to-ira-56 http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2017/05/john_f_kennedy_had_a_russian_back_channel.html http://www.suzannemassie.com/reaganYears.html 12 minutes ago, jb61 said: not a trump fan, but it sounds like they are inferring we don't have a memory. Presidents JFK, Clinton, Reagan and even Obama had back channels to Russia, and Obama had a back channel to Iran. https://theduran.com/remember-barack-obama-setting-back-channel-communications-russia/ https://dailyreadlist.com/article/reports-obama-campaign-opened-back-channel-to-ira-56 http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2017/05/john_f_kennedy_had_a_russian_back_channel.html http://www.suzannemassie.com/reaganYears.html I'm not a Trump fan, and I wonder how many of these past presidents attempted to set up back channels using only Russian systems while they were private citizens. The idea of having a back channel by itself isn't the problem. The manner in which it was attempted is. Edited May 29, 2017 by heybruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smotherb Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 42 minutes ago, jb61 said: not a trump fan, but it sounds like they are inferring we don't have a memory. Presidents JFK, Clinton, Reagan and even Obama had back channels to Russia, and Obama had a back channel to Iran. https://theduran.com/remember-barack-obama-setting-back-channel-communications-russia/ https://dailyreadlist.com/article/reports-obama-campaign-opened-back-channel-to-ira-56 http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2017/05/john_f_kennedy_had_a_russian_back_channel.html http://www.suzannemassie.com/reaganYears.html The first line of the first source says, "As the mainstream liberal left media begins anther assault on Trump’s imaginary Russia connections . . . " Why doesn't it just say fake news? Let's do some research on The Duran: "The Duran – Media Bias/Fact Checking https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-duran/ Notes: The Duran is an online news and opinion source with a strong right wing bias. There is evidence they have posted misleading information and they have ... " Let's try the daily realist: Welcome to The Daily Realist, my name is Garrett Keith (Creator, Editor, Blogger). I am 16-years-old and I live in the state of North Carolina. I created this blog for the sole purpose of talking about and expressing my opinions . . .http://thedailyrealist.blogspot.com/p/about.html Let's try Slate: "“Inaccurate, yet addictive”: Early opinions are mixed about Slate and ... www.niemanlab.org/.../inaccurate-yet-addictive-early-opinions-are-mixed-about-slate... Nov 8, 2016 - Slate and Vice want to shake up the way that news organizations report on election results. So far, no one is quite sure whether that's a good . . ." Well, you may not be a Trump supporter, but you sure listen to dubious sources--or should I say "fake news" And, I'll wager you missed a major point--back channels to other countries are commonplace, but when done by our president and/or his advisors they have been known to the intelligence community. And, even if they weren't; how does that diminish the need to investigate this fiasco? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 1 hour ago, jb61 said: not a trump fan, but it sounds like they are inferring we don't have a memory. Presidents JFK, Clinton, Reagan and even Obama had back channels to Russia, and Obama had a back channel to Iran. https://theduran.com/remember-barack-obama-setting-back-channel-communications-russia/ https://dailyreadlist.com/article/reports-obama-campaign-opened-back-channel-to-ira-56 http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2017/05/john_f_kennedy_had_a_russian_back_channel.html http://www.suzannemassie.com/reaganYears.html Geez man, come on. You're "not at Trump fan," yet you only read radical right wing rags. At least be honest, you're a Trump minion. Stop lying already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Fake news about a fake president, OMG if he was a dog they would have kissed him goodbye by now and taken him to the vet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Here we have "fake news" that's really real news, but a "Fake President" who's really a "Fake President." Just ask Putin... He knows.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, soalbundy said: Fake news about a fake president, OMG if he was a dog they would have kissed him goodbye by now and taken him to the vet. Yes, Trump is a fake president. America is slowly waking up to this. Hopefully, more cities will join in... [Congress may not be ready to launch impeachment proceedings against Donald Trump, but a growing number of cities and towns are trying to push members in that direction.] http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/29/trump-impeachment-cities-238912 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 22 minutes ago, Berkshire said: Geez man, come on. You're "not at Trump fan," yet you only read radical right wing rags. At least be honest, you're a Trump minion. Stop lying already! Well, maybe he believes that Trump is way too far to the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Trump...the one trick pony. "it's all fake news". I don't know what will happen, he may serve his entire 4 years or he may not...but I do know that he has set the stage for a massive fall at some point in his future. All this nonsense is going to destroy him someday, maybe now maybe a decade from now but at some point all the stuff he throws out there is going to come back and bite him in that fat ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcsmith Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 7 hours ago, KhunBENQ said: "any other person" could be a spy/Russian agent. Did I read that they were pointed to such an expert? Not sure I'm understanding your question. Maybe the wording was wrong. Anyone who gets a security clearance should be well aware of the the the magnitude of trying to communicate secretly with a foreign government, or about excluding those contacts. It's a very serious issue that could would sink the average person. So for people who should know better to try to downplay it and say that backchannels are not a big deal is deceptive. Maybe the purpose of those contacts is not a big deal. But if he tried to hide those contacts and the reported attempt to use secure Russian comms to prevent American intelligence from knowing what was said, that is a very serious and should result in his clearance being pulled at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 While it might be true that a back door communication channel may be practical for an incumbent administration it appears there were suggested negotiations during the campaign. And that makes it less difficult to believe there was no conspiracy to sway the election result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 trump regime scrambling to stem the tide of their sinking. Turns out, he alone CAN'T fix it! https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/05/29/why-the-trump-administration-cant-solve-its-biggest-problems/ Quote Why the Trump administration can’t solve its biggest problems ... So the White House can shake itself up all it wants. How much damage the Russia scandal does will be determined not by whether the Trump administration has a good “war room,” but by how deep it goes and whether crimes were committed — in other words, by the facts. Passing some meaningful legislation might help, but not if it’s as stunningly unpopular as what has been proposed so far. And as long as Donald Trump keeps being Donald Trump, its problems will never be over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 18 hours ago, Jingthing said: Fun, maybe, but damaging to the USA and dangerous to the world kind of fun. We really could do without it (and him)! Of course I agree. But, I have alot of friends who are really suffering from all of this, and giving themselves real fits of anxiety. I would rather just watch it all with a sense of amusement, and fun, and watch this dimwitted numskull mouth off every chance he gets, and betray his lack of wisdom, forethought, experience, knowledge, or willingness to even be vaguely intellectually curious. Cheeto is doing all the heavy lifting for us. He cannot help himself. He destroys everything he touches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptic7 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Only thing fake about this whole sordid Cluster<deleted> administration is Trump and his band of idiots. Liar...Cheat...Con man...Fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khlongtoey Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 18 hours ago, Chip Allen said: Kushner and his wife, Ivanka are the Julius and Ethel Rosenberg of our time. They should meet a similar fate. You mean Qusay and Uday Hussein and Spicer is Bagdad Bob what's old is new again, time for planet reset , see : CO2 levels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) IMO, Trump has lost his grip on the "fake news" tag line. It's not fake if the leaks are eventually borne out and confirmed as facts. Although I would prefer not having the banana boat spectacle of all these leaks, and let Mueller do his job and present the facts, updates, etc., as is appropriate. That alone would restore some faith in government, and that there's a coherent, professional process going on, rather than feeding the DNC/Clinton, and MSM's lust for revenge. So fake news not only means fabrications, but also the intent behind them (real or fabricated) is not really "news", rather part of this extended political hit job to bring Trump down. Drip Drip. But of course, you just can't argue that Trump, in large part, did it to himself, and all those scorned hens in the media, and various government departments he slagged off viciously and undermined so publicly, are coming home roost. Hell, even Grandma Hillary is getting in on it. Edited May 30, 2017 by 55Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 18 hours ago, Berkshire said: Geez man, come on. You're "not at Trump fan," yet you only read radical right wing rags. At least be honest, you're a Trump minion. Stop lying already! Here is what I imagine to be your typical Thaivisa Trump minion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 minute ago, baboon said: Here is what I imagine to be your typical Thaivisa Trump minion... So, is the dumb old guy with the rake the Trump minion? Or Beavis and Butthead. It's not readily apparent, you'll have to specify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, 55Jay said: So, is the dumb old guy with the rake the Trump minion? Or Beavis and Butthead. It's not readily apparent, you'll have to specify. Mr. Anderson, of course. Right down to the voice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, baboon said: Mr. Anderson, of course. Right down to the voice... So Beavis and Butthead are the jobless, obnoxious libtards of questionable personal hygiene, telling him to shut up. Roger that, thanks. Edited May 30, 2017 by 55Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, 55Jay said: So Beavis and Butthead are the rude libtards telling him to shut up. Roger that, thanks. Oh dear. I may have touched a nerve or two... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, baboon said: Oh dear. I may have touched a nerve or two... No, I love Beavis and Butthead. Or, well, I used to when I was a KID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 BTW, all N. Koreans are stupid and smell like kimchee. Every single one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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