Police rush to London Bridge after reports of van hitting pedestrians

[vogie]

9 minutes ago, Khon Kaen Dave said:

Explain offcumdem? it sounds like an insult, be prepared to see my seconds in the morning.

Seriously, i worked in Leeds for a few years, i refurbed the Dragonara hotel and designed the public areas in the Stakis casino, when it was next door.Loved Yorkshire, my mum was evacuated to Ilkley During the war.She lived with the then family in the 'cow and calf hotel'

I took her back there 6 months before she died. The Yorkshire moors are beautiful  to behold, in the September morning, with the mist rising from them. I was one of the Engineer's who redesigned the 18th century drainage system in Leeds..Yorkshire is also very famous for its copper, internal solder ring, capillary fittings.

By you not knowing what an offcumden is, I know you are one, no Dave, it's not an insult, "it's typically used in parts of Yorkshire to describe people who have moved into a village or small towns," Not local folk.

Edited June 8, 2017 by vogie

[Khon Kaen Dave]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

By you not knowing what an offcumden is, I know you are one, no Dave, it's not an insult, "it's typically used in parts of Yorkshire to describe people who have moved into a village or small towns,"

Thanks for that, you are right. I moved to a village in Kent years later. After visiting the North and living there, i must have, unknowingly desired the village life.Man, its a different world, local farms selling vegetables, farms that supply wonderful Beef,Lamb, pork and Chicken. Wood sellers that will deliver to people that still have solid fuel, boilers and fires. An entirely different world. Far from the madding crowd. How i miss the bell ringers and Christmas carolers, the Mayday dancers,the bloody horse that used to escape from his field and gallop down the high street.Even the fish and chip shop was a delight. The local social club that used to do meat raffles on a Friday night. I could go on, but i dont want to be a bore.

[7by7]

7 hours ago, transam said:

555555, so 7x7 knows what individuals are thinking.........55555....Gawd....

 

You are twisting stuff AGAIN.....I have NEVER said all Muslims are supporters of terrorists, YOU keep telling me l do...........I think you have lost the plot keeping on making your own assumptions about folk......Me being a racist for one (and others)...

 

So why ain't your ordinary Muslim folk on the streets confronting these Jihads...Not interested in the odd one or two, on mass.....Why, you seem to know all about their stuff, why....?

 If I can't use your own words to judge what you are thinking; what do you suggest I use?

 

As for your last comment; I've already answered it when you asked it before!

8 hours ago, transam said:

So why in the UK don't good guy Muslims confront the bad guy Muslims waving ISIS flags on UK streets......?...YOU keep telling folk here the good guys out-way the bad guys a zillion to one, so why isn't it happening in your opinion on the streets...

I don't want to hear from you about good guy talk, l want to hear about no street action.....?

 

7 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Action like this, you mean?

Muslim doctor and sister help convict Isil supporters after confronting them

 

Watch the moment ordinary Muslims shut down ‘jihadis’ trying to spread radical message outside mosques

 

Edit:

The video in that last one is from the Channel 4 documentary The Jihadis Next Door.

 

Earlier in this thread you lambasted me for not watching it; seems you haven't watched it either!

 

[7by7]

7 hours ago, Morch said:

<snip>

So instead of going on tirades over an dreamed up version of an arguments I did not make, how's about actually addressing points raised, rather than giving the whole litany on each and every post?

I have attempted to address the points you raise in your posts addressed to me; you didn't like it when I separated those points in order to address each of them in turn, now you don't like it when I address them all en masse!

 

So I wont bother addressing them at all; particularly as you are now simply repeating yourself.

[7by7]

3 hours ago, Grouse said:

I am not grumpy, I am angry

 

I go to UK later this month and will hook up with some old friends.

 

I promise you , there will be retribution

 

There needs to be a Muslim curfew from sun down to sun up.

 

Police will not be required to enforce this 

 

There is a boycott of all shops and restaurants dealing with Halal meat. These people can keep their dirty, inhumane practices in their medieval countries.

 So you are publicly stating here that when you visit the UK you and your mates are going to indulge in what skinheads in the 1960s called 'Paki bashing' as well as enforcing an illegal curfew?

 

Will you be attacking Muslims breaking your curfew who are doctors, nurses, paramedics, police officers, firefighters?

 

How will you pick your victims? Will you be stopping all Asian looking people in the street and demanding they prove that they are not Muslim, and exacting your 'retribution' if they cannot do so? Or simply attacking anyone of Asian appearance on the off chance that they may be Muslim?

 

I really hope that you are not actually serious in yo9ur statements; because if you are then you are no better than the terrorist scum!

 

Fact; Halal allows pre stunning. From the RSPCA

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The Food Standards Agency (FSA) animal welfare survey undertaken in abattoirs across Great Britain during one week in September 2013 showed around 84 per cent of animals slaughtered by the Halal method were stunned before slaughter

 

The Jewish equivalent, Shechita, doesn't allow pre stunning; and as Halal allows use of much more of the animal than Schecita British shoppers are far more likely to be eating unlabelled Shechita meat than unlabelled Halal.

 

Meat from cattle slaughtered in 'cruel' kosher method is in your high street burger

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According to Jewish law, animals cannot be stunned during slaughter

Vets and animal rights groups have attacked the 'inhumane' practice

Mail on Sunday finds meat butchered for Jewish market is being sold on

It then ends in the regular food chain alongside normally-slaughtered meat

 

[Rc2702]

27 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 So you are publicly stating here that when you visit the UK you and your mates are going to indulge in what skinheads in the 1960s called 'Paki bashing' as well as enforcing an illegal curfew?

 

Will you be attacking Muslims breaking your curfew who are doctors, nurses, paramedics, police officers, firefighters?

 

How will you pick your victims? Will you be stopping all Asian looking people in the street and demanding they prove that they are not Muslim, and exacting your 'retribution' if they cannot do so? Or simply attacking anyone of Asian appearance on the off chance that they may be Muslim?

 

I really hope that you are not actually serious in yo9ur statements; because if you are then you are no better than the terrorist scum!

 

Fact; Halal allows pre stunning. From the RSPCA

 

The Jewish equivalent, Shechita, doesn't allow pre stunning; and as Halal allows use of much more of the animal than Schecita British shoppers are far more likely to be eating unlabelled Shechita meat than unlabelled Halal.

 

Meat from cattle slaughtered in 'cruel' kosher method is in your high street burger

 

Tasty

[Grouse]

4 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 So you are publicly stating here that when you visit the UK you and your mates are going to indulge in what skinheads in the 1960s called 'Paki bashing' as well as enforcing an illegal curfew?

 

Will you be attacking Muslims breaking your curfew who are doctors, nurses, paramedics, police officers, firefighters?

 

How will you pick your victims? Will you be stopping all Asian looking people in the street and demanding they prove that they are not Muslim, and exacting your 'retribution' if they cannot do so? Or simply attacking anyone of Asian appearance on the off chance that they may be Muslim?

 

I really hope that you are not actually serious in yo9ur statements; because if you are then you are no better than the terrorist scum!

 

Fact; Halal allows pre stunning. From the RSPCA

 

The Jewish equivalent, Shechita, doesn't allow pre stunning; and as Halal allows use of much more of the animal than Schecita British shoppers are far more likely to be eating unlabelled Shechita meat than unlabelled Halal.

 

Meat from cattle slaughtered in 'cruel' kosher method is in your high street burger

 

No, you are drawing incorrect conclusions. 

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies reported and removed.  

[transam]

12 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

You mean like all the heroic Britons in that pub who bravely fled and left that lone Millwall fan to do battle?

I suppose you would have gone forward and entered the fray.......

[transam]

8 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 So you are publicly stating here that when you visit the UK you and your mates are going to indulge in what skinheads in the 1960s called 'Paki bashing' as well as enforcing an illegal curfew?

 

Will you be attacking Muslims breaking your curfew who are doctors, nurses, paramedics, police officers, firefighters?

 

How will you pick your victims? Will you be stopping all Asian looking people in the street and demanding they prove that they are not Muslim, and exacting your 'retribution' if they cannot do so? Or simply attacking anyone of Asian appearance on the off chance that they may be Muslim?

 

I really hope that you are not actually serious in yo9ur statements; because if you are then you are no better than the terrorist scum!

 

Fact; Halal allows pre stunning. From the RSPCA

 

The Jewish equivalent, Shechita, doesn't allow pre stunning; and as Halal allows use of much more of the animal than Schecita British shoppers are far more likely to be eating unlabelled Shechita meat than unlabelled Halal.

 

Meat from cattle slaughtered in 'cruel' kosher method is in your high street burger

 

So here you are making assumptions yet again, not me this time. You really must get your "mindset" sorted out, you look more daft as the thread moves on.

 

I thought you would know how your chums get away with Halal stuff....

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

If your daughter has a British passport, she's British. All cultures evolve. Multi-culturalism is as British as our old Empire was.

She is a "subject" but not "British". Being "British" IMO implies a culture. Having the right to live in a country does not give one that culture.

Multi-culturalism is as British as our old Empire was.

Tell that to the Catholic Irish!

 

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

 

The Jewish equivalent, Shechita, doesn't allow pre stunning;

 

Thank you for bringing that to our attention. I just googled it and you are correct.

That is OUTRAGEOUS. Shame on the British government for allowing this barbaric custom to continue in the name of religion. Disgusting.

If they don't like humanely killed meat they can become vegetarians.

[ilostmypassword]

1 hour ago, transam said:

I suppose you would have gone forward and entered the fray.......

And how is that germane to the issue in question?

[Ace of Pop]

Non of these apologists have lived by a Mosque. It only needs every Religeon to make such a noise and no one would bother with controll freak organizations of any type.[emoji86][emoji86][emoji86]


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[Morch]

11 hours ago, 7by7 said:

I have attempted to address the points you raise in your posts addressed to me; you didn't like it when I separated those points in order to address each of them in turn, now you don't like it when I address them all en masse!

 

So I wont bother addressing them at all; particularly as you are now simply repeating yourself.

 

Every topic  in which you can't make a point, or unwilling to concede one - it comes down to one of them childish cop-outs.

 

My comment was not about the format, but about the load of unrelated drivel which didn't have much to do with my views and my posts. Doubt you didn't understand that.

 

The reason I was repeating myself was exactly due to your insistence on addressing anything but my views, choosing instead to twist my words and infuse non-existent meanings into my posts. Same old. 

 

 

Edited June 9, 2017 by Morch

[brewsterbudgen]

She is a "subject" but not "British". Being "British" IMO implies a culture. Having the right to live in a country does not give one that culture.
Multi-culturalism is as British as our old Empire was.
Tell that to the Catholic Irish!
 

It might "imply" a culture but as Britain is multi-cultural it's not that simplistic any more. We're not in the 1950s any more. It shouldn't have anything to do with religion.

[7by7]

10 hours ago, Grouse said:

No, you are drawing incorrect conclusions. 

 So what did you mean by

 

18 hours ago, Grouse said:

 

I go to UK later this month and will hook up with some old friends.

 

I promise you , there will be retribution

 

There needs to be a Muslim curfew from sun down to sun up.

 

Police will not be required to enforce this 

 

[mesquite]

This sheds some light on the problem: 

[GuiseppeD]

17 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

Aren't you the person who linked to the article and cited it as proof of the indomitable spirit of Britons? Or was that someone else?

Short answer, no.

[7by7]

6 hours ago, transam said:

So here you are making assumptions yet again, not me this time. You really must get your "mindset" sorted out, you look more daft as the thread moves on.

 As the post you quote was addressed to Grouse; why do you think I meant you?

 

Why not answer the post which was directed to you; the one which shows Muslims do confront ISIS supporters and other extremists on the streets of Britain?

 

6 hours ago, transam said:

I thought you would know how your chums get away with Halal stuff....

 Wasn't difficult. A little bit of research will show you the difference between Halal slaughter and Schecita slaughter.

 

How do you feel about Jews 'getting away with'  Schecita, which is more cruel than Halal?

 

For the law on religious slaughter in the UK see Halal and kosher slaughter.

 

I am not foolish enough to believe that all religious slaughter houses stick rigidly to the rules, but neither do all non religious ones!

[7by7]

4 hours ago, Ace of Pop said:

Non of these apologists have lived by a Mosque. It only needs every Religeon to make such a noise and no one would bother with controll freak organizations of any type.


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I never hear the call to prayer from the nearest mosque, which is less than a mile away, because, like most (all?) mosques in the UK, they never broadcast it.

 

But, if the wind is in the right direction, I often hear the bells from a C of E church about 2 miles away!

 

Not complaining about that; simply an observation.

 

[ilostmypassword]

20 minutes ago, GuiseppeD said:

Short answer, no.

Sorry, My comment was meant for Grouse.

[transam]

Off topic but well worth a watch if you haven't seen it....

 

 

[PattayaJames]

The BBC covering up hate crimes by Muslims

Disgusting bias media.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

It might "imply" a culture but as Britain is multi-cultural it's not that simplistic any more. We're not in the 1950s any more. It shouldn't have anything to do with religion.

To a good Muslim, EVERYTHING is about Islam. It comes first, before family and country.

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

I never hear the call to prayer from the nearest mosque, which is less than a mile away, because, like most (all?) mosques in the UK, they never broadcast it.

 

But, if the wind is in the right direction, I often hear the bells from a C of E church about 2 miles away!

 

Not complaining about that; simply an observation.

 

You are lucky then. I have lived near a mosque that broadcasts it with dirty great speakers, and in Singapore I stayed in an hotel with a mosque next to it- never again.

[7by7]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are lucky then. I have lived near a mosque that broadcasts it with dirty great speakers............

Was that in the UK?

 

If so, where?

 

In order to broadcast the call to prayer in the UK, mosques need to obtain the permission of their local council, and one of the conditions of obtaining that is that they do not break noise pollution levels. Most mosques which do broadcast it do not do so at unsociable hours, and it can only be heard inside the mosque itself.

 

From THATSFAKE Birmingham Mosque sounding Call of Prayer 5 times a day?

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Summary: A mosque in Birmingham will begin broadcasting the Muslim Call to Prayer 5 times a day, starting at 5am every day, and can be heard over 15 miles away.

Originated from: BFNN.co.uk
Date(s) active: May 2015

FALSE.

 The problem being that many of the rabid Islamaphobic sites picked up that story and published it as true; despite the source of the original story, BFNN, having the following disclaimer on the bottom of each page

Quote

For the avoidance of doubt: Most stories posted here are works of fiction, and you would have to be a moron to believe them!

 

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

.........and in Singapore I stayed in an hotel with a mosque next to it- never again.

In percentage terms, Singapore has about 5 times the Muslim population of the UK. But it depends on where your hotel was. As it had a mosque next to it, I guess it was in a Muslim area.

 

My brother lived in Singapore for nearly 20 years, and when staying with him I never heard it once.

[Flustered]

5 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

My brother lived in Singapore for nearly 20 years, and when staying with him I never heard it once.

In Singapore, the speakers for broadcasting the Islamic call to prayer are turned inwards to broadcast towards the interior of the mosques as part of a noise abatement campaign in 1974.

 

If only the same could be applied to my wife and her sisters when they get together.

[Grouse]

7 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Was that in the UK?

 

If so, where?

 

In order to broadcast the call to prayer in the UK, mosques need to obtain the permission of their local council, and one of the conditions of obtaining that is that they do not break noise pollution levels. Most mosques which do broadcast it do not do so at unsociable hours, and it can only be heard inside the mosque itself.

 

From THATSFAKE Birmingham Mosque sounding Call of Prayer 5 times a day?

 The problem being that many of the rabid Islamaphobic sites picked up that story and published it as true; despite the source of the original story, BFNN, having the following disclaimer on the bottom of each page

 

In percentage terms, Singapore has about 5 times the Muslim population of the UK. But it depends on where your hotel was. As it had a mosque next to it, I guess it was in a Muslim area.

 

My brother lived in Singapore for nearly 20 years, and when staying with him I never heard it once.

The UK has about 3M Muslims with 2,000 mosques. I would like to see that substantially reduced unless there is complete integration, including understanding written English including idioms. I don't want to have to explain every damn thing I write in my own language to other "British" people.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Was that in the UK?

 

If so, where?

 

In order to broadcast the call to prayer in the UK, mosques need to obtain the permission of their local council, and one of the conditions of obtaining that is that they do not break noise pollution levels. Most mosques which do broadcast it do not do so at unsociable hours, and it can only be heard inside the mosque itself.

 

From THATSFAKE Birmingham Mosque sounding Call of Prayer 5 times a day?

 The problem being that many of the rabid Islamaphobic sites picked up that story and published it as true; despite the source of the original story, BFNN, having the following disclaimer on the bottom of each page

 

In percentage terms, Singapore has about 5 times the Muslim population of the UK. But it depends on where your hotel was. As it had a mosque next to it, I guess it was in a Muslim area.

 

My brother lived in Singapore for nearly 20 years, and when staying with him I never heard it once.

In Saudi. I do know that they all do so there, I was just making the point that people are lucky in the UK that they aren't on speakers.

 

The Hotel was in the old city, near Little India etc. It's a small area even with all the various communities combined, but it was very loud and disturbing early in the am.

 

Your brother was lucky to live there so long. I only managed 7 years, and no mosque speakers where I lived. The nobs on Goodwood Hill would have had something to say about it if they were blasting the call on speakers.