Saddam Is Dead

[kayo]

"he was a man to the end"

So what.. he still got killed..

You my friend, have watched Braveheart too many times.

[JacknDanny]

"he was a man to the end"

So what.. he still got killed..

You my friend, have watched Braveheart too many times.

But he died an honourable death,defiant to the end. Better than blubbering and sobbing about how it was so unjust etc etc. Thats the point I was trying to make!!

I wasnt trying to make excuses for his execution. As far as I am concerned its good riddance to bad rubbish!!

[rainman]

I heard he was going to join us... But he got Hung up!

Should i laugh my butt off too if one day you're executed? Good or bad, show some respect please.

[sonthaya]

I heard he was going to join us... But he got Hung up!

Should i laugh my butt off too if one day you're executed? Good or bad, show some respect please.

How would you feel if we could do the same to Osama Bin Ladin, I think he deserves the same treatment.

[britmaveric]

I heard he was going to join us... But he got Hung up!

Should i laugh my butt off too if one day you're executed? Good or bad, show some respect please.

Respect for who, Can't mean Saddam surely???

[Thug]

Why did he wear a neck tie this time but not on the Trials?

[Tony Clifton]

Why did he wear a neck tie this time but not on the Trials?

Surely one of the 42 virgins enjoys being tied up

[taxexile]

The shame of punishment as pornography

By Sam Leith

Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 01/01/2007

You can't beat a good hanging, eh? Ever since the first indications that Saddam Hussein would be hanged "sooner rather than later", the civilised world has taken on the aspect of an over-excited dog making love to a cushion. He's had his possessions sent on! He's been handed over to the Iraqis! Any second! Any second now! Come on... let's see that noose...

What we've been seeing over the past couple of days is the pornographisation of a judicial process. There's no question that Saddam's crimes were terrible. There's no question that, however jury-rigged the legal process by which he was held to account for them, it is proper that he was held to account. But our fever of excitement over that hempen rope is no more than the baying of a mob.

Why, for example, do we seem surprised that the Prime Minister didn't issue some statesmanlike pontification on the subject? What was he supposed to say? Would we have admired him for emerging from a Bee Gee's swimming pool to declare to camera, trunks still dripping: "Tee hee! Snappy-snap-snap went his horrid old neck. Goody gumdrops. I do hope it hurt"? Shades, there, of David Blunkett's uncharming announcement that he was planning to toast Harold Shipman's death with a bottle of bubbly.

Mr Blair was right to stay silent. The announcement of the death sentence – one greeted, tellingly, with far less excitement than its physical enactment – was the political moment. The rest is theatre.

And, gosh, how we enjoyed it. The formula was unvarying. "All dignity lost," one or other news channel would intone, "the blood-soaked tyrant of Iraq died yesterday, reduced to the status of a common criminal." Aren't the assumptions underpinning that simply bizarre? It seems to suggest that a "common criminal" is a worse thing to be than a mass-murdering despot – that where he really got his comeuppance was in being taken down a peg or two and dying a chav.

And is it true that he lost all dignity? If we were honest, we'd admit that Saddam conducted himself on the scaffold with all the dignity he could be expected to muster. He refused a mask. He stood up straight. He went quietly and prayerfully to his death. Meanwhile, as a colleague points out, what was happening around him – even though the balaclavas were unavoidable – more closely resembled a gang of provos at work in an Armagh back-room than the sober unrolling of a sovereign state's judicial process. Let's not even begin to think about how these images will play with Saddam's Sunni supporters.

Yet editorials and news reports have jeered at Saddam's "stupidity", gloated over his "loss of dignity", and picked over with glee the details of how his guards kept him awake to tease and torture him. We've been hot to download videos and picture galleries of the dictator's last moments; amused to learn that he was denied a last cigarette.

Once we decided Saddam was a "monster" – a monster whom, let's not forget, the West for a long time supported in full knowledge of the nature of his regime – we gave ourselves permission to indulge the basest, most voyeuristic atavism. Cloaked in this murderous sanctimony, we join as one with the crowds who gather weekly in Teheran to enjoy watching criminals swing from a crane.

Nietzsche's warning that "he who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster" has seldom seemed more apt. The rhetoric of a war launched in the name of civilisation has degenerated into the cackling of a tricoteuse at the foot of the guillotine. We should be bloody ashamed.

As DH Lawrence argued, "pornography does dirt on sex". The same applies here. The pornography of death does dirt on life. And the pornography of punishment does dirt on justice.

the daily telegraph uk

[Sing_Sling]

et al ? Not quite sure what you mean mate.

I think your missing my point here. I am not in dissagreement with you. Ofcourse im against a regime that is prone to have oppression, murder and mayhem. If you think a benevolent dictatorship is going to sort out problems and work there, you may be just as misguided as most other westeners. The way i see it, the country ran while saddam reigned, now its civil war. Going from a murderous dictatorship to a benevolent dictatorship will be almost impossible to find an inbetween. Take a look at the extreem groups and views in that country, and you may see why saddam's rule was so.

Et al refers to the people who have voiced a similar viewpoint as yours, a bit of latin thrown in so my 6 years of it at school wasn't a total waste.

Possibly we are of the same opinion, but when you mention that:

Work = a dictatorship that deals the harshest of punishments to keep a society running and avoiding a civil war and total collapse.

. . . then our opinions diverge. Dealing out the harshest of punishments mean killing people, can't get much harsher than that. There are so many examples of dictators that had their henchmen go around getting rid of 'subversives', just look at Saddams secret police, the Savak, Pinochet's thugs.

So, with the bombs now going off in Bangkok would you advocate a dictator being installed, civil rights abolished and all dissent quashed? Foreigners would either end up being chicked out or imprisoned.

I don't think so.

[terry57]

have just viewed saddams hanging on you tube.

very grainy, lots of shouting and you see him fall through the trap door. dont see the actual snap.

then see him lying on the ground with the rope around his neck.

i was expecting a lot more action so its nothing exciting.

[donna]

i found the whole video thing on bbc very disturbing. sure the man was a tyrant. sure he was a baddie. but that doesnt make me want to watch that sort of thing. i change the channel every time i see it come on.

[rainman]

I heard he was going to join us... But he got Hung up!

Should i laugh my butt off too if one day you're executed? Good or bad, show some respect please.

Respect for who, Can't mean Saddam surely???

respect for people who are about to die. no matter who.

[farang prince]

I heard he was going to join us... But he got Hung up!

Should i laugh my butt off too if one day you're executed? Good or bad, show some respect please.

Respect for who, Can't mean Saddam surely???

respect for people who are about to die. no matter who.

Rainman, we are all about to die. We just don't know the time, place and date.

[farang prince]

I suppose Rahyumdee that you see black helicopters in the middle of the night and you know that the CIA is making you impotent through the beams they send through your microwave oven. And you see people lurking behind every bush....

Typical smart-ass, brain-washed dumbsh!t. Doesn't do his homework, then swaggers up to his keyboard and pecks out an imbecilic remark.

Please, just put me on ignore. The likes of you don't deserve my generosity...

My my my...what rang your bell, Nuk? Was I getting a little too close to the truth about the microwave oven beams making you impotent? As far as your generosity, I think I can survive without it. Take your crazy conspiracy theories someplace else. Seen a shrink lately?

[rainman]

I heard he was going to join us... But he got Hung up!

Should i laugh my butt off too if one day you're executed? Good or bad, show some respect please.

Respect for who, Can't mean Saddam surely???

respect for people who are about to die. no matter who.

Rainman, we are all about to die. We just don't know the time, place and date.

its about making fun of people about to be executed. but different people, different characters. just makes him no better than the person getting executed.

[kasi]

Could someone illuminate me as to how this is related to Thailand???????

[rainman]

Could someone illuminate me as to how this is related to Thailand???????

Thailand is a country on Earth. So is Iraq. Saddam Hussein was the president of Iraq.

[terry57]

rain man,

i dont think the punters are being disrespectful to the dead, but one must take this story in context.

saddam murdered thousands and had no mercy at all for people.

the gassing of the kurds was a throw back to to the rein of hitler and im sure you have seen that piece of footage.

he really got what he deserved and all tyrants come unstuck at some stage and must pay for there crimes.

i say that he got off very easy as it was a quick end for him and thats something he never afforded to the kurds or to many others.

i would of prefered to seen him locked up in the big tiger and suffered a bit more.

a bit of tourture springs to mind.

to make light of his demise is nothing compared to what he gave out, so i think your being a bit sensitive about this subject.

maybe if it was your mother, father, daughter, brother or sister that suffered at the hands of this killer you might think a bit different.?

the saddam jokes will soon hit the streets and then we can laugh some more.

[taxexile]

Saddam Hussein's guards are giving interviews. ... Apparently Saddam likes Raisin Bran for breakfast but hates Froot Loops. After hearing this, President Bush said, 'he hates Froot Loops; he's more evil than I thought.'"

[GracelessFawn]

I have a video of the hanging. (Taken by a mobile phone.)

Check my blog.

[BigSnake]

I wonder if he got his 13 virgins??

[Who, me ?]

I have a video of the hanging. (Taken by a mobile phone.)

Check my blog.

Seen on so many websites already !

[taxexile]

graceless fawn

I have a video of the hanging. (Taken by a mobile phone.)

Check my blog.

Nietzsche's warning that "he who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster" has seldom seemed more apt.

The rhetoric of a war launched in the name of civilisation has degenerated into the cackling of a tricoteuse at the foot of the guillotine.

Edited January 1, 2007 by taxexile

[kasi]

Could someone illuminate me as to how this is related to Thailand???????

Thailand is a country on Earth. So is Iraq. Saddam Hussein was the president of Iraq.

How eloquent!

But this isn't the "thorn tree forum" nor is it the "rainbow gathering forum"

Perhaps you failed to notice the tiny little aspect: "Thailand News Clippings"

Again how is this "Thailand" related?????

:D :D

Edited January 1, 2007 by kasi

[mogoso]

and once again the bad guy gets out of it easy by being executed.

look boys,

its got to be a better plan to lock him up in the big tiger for the term of his natural life.

he got out it to easy did'nt he ?

Yes he got out easy, but it'll spare a fortune on keeping him under lock and key for another 20 years, the expense of many additional trails, not to mention, the lifes of his defense attorneys who seem to meet their God sooner than they would've liked too.

Myself I would've at least honored his request to be shot rather than hung, first one in a kneecap, then the other kneecap, the each elbow, then each hand, then get creative till he bled out.

Could have been worse publicity though , if a beheading would've been ordered.

[terry57]

graceless fawn

I have a video of the hanging. (Taken by a mobile phone.)

Check my blog.

Nietzsche's warning that "he who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster" has seldom seemed more apt.

The rhetoric of a war launched in the name of civilisation has degenerated into the cackling of a tricoteuse at the foot of the guillotine.

thats an interesting comment tax,

so what do you suggest that should happen or of happenned. ?

[terry57]

and once again the bad guy gets out of it easy by being executed.

look boys,

its got to be a better plan to lock him up in the big tiger for the term of his natural life.

he got out it to easy did'nt he ?

Yes he got out easy, but it'll spare a fortune on keeping him under lock and key for another 20 years, the expense of many additional trails, not to mention, the lifes of his defense attorneys who seem to meet their God sooner than they would've liked too.

Myself I would've at least honored his request to be shot rather than hung, first one in a kneecap, then the other kneecap, the each elbow, then each hand, then get creative till he bled out.

Could have been worse publicity though , if a beheading would've been ordered.

yes thats a top idea my friend,

maybe in his next life we can have a crack at him again.

shot in the knee cap, elbow and hands,

yes i like that idea.

im just an old fashioned guy who believes in an eye for an eye as that is what most criminals understand.

one must come down to there level.

[taxexile]

terry , have a read of this.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=98993&view=findpost&p=1056998

Edited January 1, 2007 by taxexile

[Who, me ?]

terry , have a read of this.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=98993&view=findpost&p=1056998

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[Minburi]

Actually he is not dead and is staying in a small hostel in Krabi oh oh and American never landed on the moon it was all done in a studio in Death valley.