Did i get blacklisted? Is this a blacklist stamp?

[Odiefier]

Can someone tell me what this stamp in my passport says and does it mean i am being blacklisted? I was arrested for marijuna possession and got a 2500 baht fine with 2 months suspended jail time. After court i got arrested and locked up for two days at police station. After this i was brought to IDC Bangkok where after several days i could  purchase a ticket and after that i got kicked out of the country...My lawyer says i am not blacklisted but somehow i have a bad feeling about this...

Edited August 3, 2017 by Odiefier

[ubonjoe]

You were denied entry on August st under section 12 clause 7 of the immigration act.

 

Quote

7. Having behavior which would indicated possible danger to the public or likelihood of being a
nuisance or constituting any violence to the peace or safety of the public or to the security of the public or
to the security of the nation , or being under warrant of arrest by competent officials of foreign
governments.

Unless there is another stamp stating you are banned not shown you can try entering the country again.

[Odiefier]

But i was leaving the country on 1st August instead of entering..

[faraday]

My wife saw this & told me that the stamp says you were in possession of Ganja.

[ubonjoe]

19 minutes ago, Odiefier said:

But i was leaving the country on 1st August instead of entering..

I assumed the departure stamp was done after they denied entry.

The entry stamp shows you should of left on the 23rd of July. Did you pay an overstay fine.

Edit:Got a full  translation.

Correction it looked like a standard denial of entry stamp which is my error. It does say you were in possession of ganja.

Were you in detention before you left. The blue stamp says you were deported on the 31st of July

[Odiefier]

I entered the country on 25th of May with a 60 days single entry visa. I should have left on 23rd of July but had my court date on 25th of July. My lawyer said they took care of this and i didn't pay an overstay fine. So i entered on 25th of May and left on 1st of August. So they didn't deny entry..

[Here2008]

17 minutes ago, Odiefier said:

But i was leaving the country on 1st August instead of entering..

Regardless of when that stamp was placed in your passport it now forms part of your immigration computer record. 

 

You should expect to be closely questioned if you attempt to re-enter Thailand.  The possibility of being denied  entry is high. . 

[Odiefier]

50 minutes ago, Odiefier said:

Can someone tell me what this stamp in my passport says and does it mean i am being blacklisted? I was arrested for marijuna possession and got a 2500 baht fine with 2 months suspended jail time. After court i got arrested and locked up for two days at police station. After this i was brought to IDC Bangkok where after several days i could  purchase a ticket and after that i got kicked out of the country...My lawyer says i am not blacklisted but somehow i have a bad feeling about this...

 

19 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Were you in detention before you left. The blue stamp says you were deported on the 31st of July

After court arrested and 2 nights police station. Then transported overnight to IDC Bangkok and there i was for 4 nights..

[007 RED]

You were deported for having Ganja in your possession.  Provided that there is not another stamp in your passport indicating that you are banned from future entry you should be OK.  That said, if you return to Thailand at some time in the future the moment that you present your passport to the immigration officer expect to be pulled to one side and questioned/searched.

 

You should also be aware that with that stamp in your passport you may also encounter problems when entering other countries.

Edited August 3, 2017 by 007 RED
Typo error

[Odiefier]

Please stay on topic..

[elviajero]

There is no mention of a ban or blacklisting. It's difficult to read but I think the stamp just confirms the marijuana possession, 2 year suspension, a fine of 2,500 baht, and quotes section 12.7 of the immigration act.

 

Although it doesn't seem that you are banned/blacklisted, IMO, having deported you based on section 12.7 they could use that law to deny you entry in the future at the discretion of the border IO.

 

Also, anyone having been deported can be denied entry in the future under section 12.11.

 

I imagine you're basically going to be at the mercy of border IO's.

[YetAnother]

51 minutes ago, 007 RED said:

You should also be aware that with that stamp in your passport you may also encounter problems when entering other countries.

so, then he should get another passport; the thais will have his record here, but doubt the other countries could see that absent the (old) passport

[lkv]

I guess what I would do in this type of situation is, if I wanted to come back:

 

(1) (Optional) Check my name for 2k baht with an agency against the blacklist.

(2) Get a new passport

(3) Apply for an SETV.

(4) Attempt to enter Thailand again via a land border, where, if I got rejected, they'd send me back to where I just came from.

Edited August 3, 2017 by lkv

[vandv]

4 hours ago, 007 RED said:

You were deported for having Ganja in your possession.  Provided that there is not another stamp in your passport indicating that you are banned from future entry you should be OK.  That said, if you return to Thailand at some time in the future the moment that you present your passport to the immigration officer expect to be pulled to one side and questioned/searched.

 

You should also be aware that with that stamp in your passport you may also encounter problems when entering other countries.

 

not too many with the ability to read thai in other countries?......only laos, cambodia maybe

[PoorSucker]

Off topic posts removed.

 

Wife says the stamp is hard to read but it says you have a two year suspended jail conviction. 

She asks why you want to come back and risk two years in monkey house. 

[PoorSucker]

Further posts about legal, medical or anything else about marjuana will be deleted without notice. 

 

[Odiefier]

11 minutes ago, PoorSucker said:

Further posts about legal, medical or anything else about marjuana will be deleted without notice. 

 

Thank you for help staying on Topic and everybody else Thank You for helping.

 

My lawyer is going to check with immigration...i'll keep you posted.

[bberrythailand]

Never seen anyone blacklisted for ganja.

 

And at the same time never seen this written in a passport. It seems not correct to write the reason on the passport.

 

Of course no other country will be able to understand this, but still, it should not be written, passport belongs to your home country, not to Thai.

 

Where did it happen ? You must have had very bad luck !

 

 

[lkv]

2 hours ago, vandv said:

 

not too many with the ability to read thai in other countries?......only laos, cambodia maybe

I would not bet on it. It is possible for IO's in other countries to know how a Thai deportation stamp looks like. Even if they can't read it, it could look suspicious enough to trigger further questioning.

 

For example, if one travels to Australia on an e-visitor visa.

 

"You must not have any criminal convictions, for which the sentence or sentences should not equal a total period of 12 months duration or more (whether served or not), at the time of travel to, and entry into, Australia."

 

In that circumstance, he would be denied entry.

 

Regardless of OP's intentions about returning to Thailand or not, I strongly suggest a clean passport to begin with.

Edited August 3, 2017 by lkv

[wgdanson]

14 hours ago, 007 RED said:

You were deported for having Ganja in your possession.  Provided that there is not another stamp in your passport indicating that you are banned from future entry you should be OK.  That said, if you return to Thailand at some time in the future the moment that you present your passport to the immigration officer expect to be pulled to one side and questioned/searched.

 

You should also be aware that with that stamp in your passport you may also encounter problems when entering other countries.

Would 'other countries' be able to understand a stamp in Thai language?

[007 RED]

6 hours ago, wgdanson said:

Would 'other countries' be able to understand a stamp in Thai language?

Yes is a simple answer.... any IO flicking through the OPs passport will see the deportation stamp and that will trigger questions... also the individual IO may not speak/read Thai but they will have access to interpreters via phone/online.

Edited August 4, 2017 by 007 RED

[mikebell]

How did you get caught? Was there no opportunity to 'buy' your way out?

[tonray]

37 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

Would 'other countries' be able to understand a stamp in Thai language?

US IOs for example have a reference book by country and if not at the desk they easily can call in supervisor who can pull it up online. Any stamp out of the ordinary would stand out as they say, 'like a sore thumb'

[Cletus]

the stamp says you got a 2 yr ban. After those 2 yr you may be allowed back in as you may be not.

[steven100]

2 yr ban.  It is a blacklisted stamp that will show up like a red flag to a bull. Based on section 12.7 they could use that law to deny you entry in the future at the discretion of the border IO.

 

See you in a few years.  drugs are illegal and rightly so.

Edited August 4, 2017 by steven100

[007 RED]

6 hours ago, Cletus said:

the stamp says you got a 2 yr ban. After those 2 yr you may be allowed back in as you may be not.

Sorry but your translation is wrong.... The stamp states that you were convicted of the offence of having  marijuana...sentenced to 2 months in prison.... fined 2,000 Baht..... prison sentence suspended for 2 years.

 

Suspended means that he does not go to prison, but if he commits any other offence in in Thailand during the 2 year period he will be sent to prison for that offence.

 

There is no mention of a ban.

[007 RED]

OP… The information below is given in good faith and not intended as legal advice.

 

The deportation stamp in your passport does not indicate that you have been banned from entering Thailand, it just gives some basic reasons for your deportation.  That said, immigration can impose a ban on you for any number of reasons and this will be entered onto their computer system so if you attempt to enter the country again before the ban is lifted you will be denied entry at the arrival ‘port’, or if you entered by other means they will deport you again.

 

No doubt you were given a number of pieces of paper whilst in detention.  One of them is a legal notice of deportation called TM35 (Noted in top right hand side of the form) which would have been given to you by an IO, possibly at the IDC.  This document will also give details of the reason for your deportation and sometimes (but not always) includes information of any ban that has been applied.  If you have this form and PM to me I will translate it for you.

 

Your deportation stamp indicates that you were given a 2 month prison sentence plus fine for the offence and the prison sentence was suspended for 2 years.  If you do decide to come back during the suspension period, and commit any offence, no matter how minor, you will be sent to prison for the original offence plus whatever else you may have committed.  Not something to look forward to, so please bear this in mind.

 

FYI…. When you were detained by the police they are bound by law to notify your embassy/consulate.  They will also subsequently inform them of your conviction and deportation.  No doubt your embassy will relay that information back to the appropriate authorities back in your home country, so it is possible that the passport issuing authority and police will have a note of what happened here.  You may wish to do a Subject Access Request under the provisions of the General Data Protection Regulations (which come into effect next month) to find out if this offence is held on your records, as it could have implication in a number of other areas for you.

 

It has been suggested that may be you should change your passport.  Whilst the deportation stamp will not appear in the new one, if you try to enter Thailand the moment that you present the new passport and the IO scans it (which reads the info at the bottom of the photo page) it will pick up that it is not known to the system.  The system will then do a search against your country ID + Date of Birth + Gender + Family name + First names.  This will quickly produce a match and your photo and link the old and new passport together so the IO will see history.   Sorry a new passport will only help if you try to go to another country, but bear in mind that some countries require you to disclose any criminal offences prior to entry.

 

Good luck.

Edited August 4, 2017 by 007 RED

[likeke]

You know, I care less about your immigration problem. I can't wrap my head around that you would use an illegal drug in a foreign country. You ever watch the show Locked up abroad?  Clean up your act, and don't insult the people of Thailand. 

[KhonKaenKowboy]

I recall a Canadian teacher telling me he avoided Malaysia like the plague because they could read his deportation red stamp from Taiwan, but it was no problem here.  Red flags are getting more automated all the time.  

[sead]

9 hours ago, PoorSucker said:

Off topic posts removed.

 

Wife says the stamp is hard to read but it says you have a two year suspended jail conviction. 

She asks why you want to come back and risk two years in monkey house. 

Oh cmon, thats an easy question. He want to come to Thailand so he can smoke marihuana and ganja and do all bad stuff. Why do it in his country when its more excited to do it here