'Active shooter' near Las Vegas casino

[Basil B]

10 minutes ago, Opl said:

Nightmare Scenario.

"The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun in a high-rise building at night is to make sure he doesn’t have a gun."

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/10/why_the_las_vegas_shooting_was_a_nightmare_scenario_for_police_and_security.html

 

While American politicians fill their pockets with NRA blood money there will be no gun control. 

[nausea]

7 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

Believe it or not a very large percentage of 64 year olds do not use social media.

Well that ruined an interesting theory. Actually, I'm around that age group and I've had to make a concious decision not to use Facebook and WhatsApp, so I'm a little surprised that most 60 year olds in the US, which isn't really that old nowadays, wouldn't be facing the same seductive pressures. Now for my dear old father, who's in his 90s, yeah it applies.

[dunroaming]

To the posters working out how long it would take to get to the gunman and take him out, they are now reporting that he shot himself.  Probably before they got to his room, according to reports.

[tonray]

19 minutes ago, Jack Mountain said:

No wonder people get pissed of. https://theintercept.com/2017/10/02/las-vegas-shooting-gofundme-health-care/

 

There should be no question as to where the money comes from: The Mandalay Hotel and the concert promoters for failing to maintain a safe environment. The Mandalay allows a guy to stay in a room with 10 rifles and ammo for 2 weeks and then kill 58 people and shoot hundreds more....the CEO ought to be checking his policy about now.

[Ruffian Dick]

9 hours ago, Just1Voice said:

Listening to the video's with the sound of gunfire, they are not using M-16's or other "light" weapons.  It sounds more like AK's or .30 cal weapons.  

 

Sounds like .223 to me, but what do I know....

[howto]

The weapon used is certainly a full auto 30 cal, belt fed Machine Gun.
It is not a semi-auto.
It is not a M16, nor a varient of any AK.
It is not a BAR.
I say it is a ''Browning 30 Cal Machine Gun Model 1919A6'' a very serious firearm.

This 30 cal matches both sound and cycle rate,
compair yourself ,,,
the recording from

Very expensive and not easy to own.
The perp does have a criminal record.
No way he could acquire this weapon legally.

 

This was planned, well in advanced, with help.
He had a perfect vantage point at 32 floors,
with a clear line of sight to the target(s).

Honestly, I am amazed far more are not dead.

 

We, whom do own firearms here in the USA, certainly do abhor this.

 

I DO look forward to a full accounting from FBI, CIA, NSA -whatever,
and for POTUS Trump to 'take it balls deep to whomever is responsible'.

 

As to ,,,
- Trump haters will hate
- anti-gunners will hate
- anti-americans will hate
- the main stream media will lie
- Islam is not a religion of peace

 

 

[sambum]

1 minute ago, tonray said:

There should be no question as to where the money comes from: The Mandalay Hotel and the concert promoters for failing to maintain a safe environment. The Mandalay allows a guy to stay in a room with 10 rifles and ammo for 2 weeks and then kill 58 people and shoot hundreds more....the CEO ought to be checking his policy about now.

 

I agree with you regarding the hotel - their security seems to be at fault for allowing such a stockpile of armoury to get into the hotel, but just what has it got to do with the concert promoters?

[tonray]

Just now, sambum said:

 

I agree with you regarding the hotel - their security seems to be at fault for allowing such a stockpile of armoury to get into the hotel, but just what has it got to do with the concert promoters?

They also have a legal responsibility for security and keeping customers safe...I know out of their control...but that's why they are required to buy big insurance policies before getting approval for such an event.

[Ruffian Dick]

Nevada has very lax gun laws. Many gun nuts migrate there so they can play with their toys.

 

IMHO, a sure sign of trouble is the number of guns owned by the individual and the amount of ammunition acquired. It appears to be a pattern for these mass-shooters to carry more "heat" than they really need (this guy had 10 guns in the hotel room) and usually 1000s of rounds in personal possession.

[balo]

8 minutes ago, tonray said:

The Mandalay allows a guy to stay in a room with 10 rifles and ammo for 2 weeks and then kill 58 people and shoot hundreds more

 

Just a small correction , I believe he checked in on September 29 , so 3 days.....

 

 

[tonray]

Just now, balo said:

 

Just a small correction , I believe he checked in on September 29 , so 3 days.....

 

 

In those 3 days I would bet the maid cleaned the room and failed to notice 10 rilfes ? And if she did not gain entry because of do not disturb signs...then security should have been notified as resident's safety in question for 3 days.

[Ruffian Dick]

40 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Speaking of social media; how is it that when automatic gunfire is raining down on you some people's first reaction is to jump on to Twitter to announce they are being shot at.

And a photo of their final meal, no doubt.

[Slip]

6 minutes ago, howto said:

The weapon used is certainly a full auto 30 cal, belt fed Machine Gun.
It is not a semi-auto.
It is not a M16, nor a varient of any AK.
It is not a BAR.
I say it is a ''Browning 30 Cal Machine Gun Model 1919A6'' a very serious firearm.

This 30 cal matches both sound and cycle rate,
compair yourself ,,,

Very expensive and not easy to own.
The perp does have a criminal record.
No way he could acquire this weapon legally.

 

This was planned, well in advanced, with help.
He had a perfect vantage point at 32 floors,
with a clear line of sight to the target(s).

Honestly, I am amazed far more are not dead.

 

We, whom do own firearms here in the USA, certainly do abhor this.

 

I DO look forward to a full accounting from FBI, CIA, NSA -whatever,
and for POTUS Trump to 'take it balls deep to whomever is responsible'.

 

As to ,,,
- Trump haters will hate
- anti-gunners will hate
- anti-americans will hate
- the main stream media will lie
- Islam is not a religion of peace

Propagandists will spread propaganda.

 

 

 

[ilostmypassword]

14 minutes ago, howto said:

The weapon used is certainly a full auto 30 cal, belt fed Machine Gun.
It is not a semi-auto.
It is not a M16, nor a varient of any AK.
It is not a BAR.
I say it is a ''Browning 30 Cal Machine Gun Model 1919A6'' a very serious firearm.

This 30 cal matches both sound and cycle rate,
compair yourself ,,,
the recording from

Very expensive and not easy to own.
The perp does have a criminal record.
No way he could acquire this weapon legally.

 

This was planned, well in advanced, with help.
He had a perfect vantage point at 32 floors,
with a clear line of sight to the target(s).

Honestly, I am amazed far more are not dead.

 

We, whom do own firearms here in the USA, certainly do abhor this.

 

I DO look forward to a full accounting from FBI, CIA, NSA -whatever,
and for POTUS Trump to 'take it balls deep to whomever is responsible'.

 

As to ,,,
- Trump haters will hate
- anti-gunners will hate
- anti-americans will hate
- the main stream media will lie
- Islam is not a religion of peace

 

 

And if officials confirm what you claim, you'll say I told you do. And if officials say that it was not  a full auto 30 cal, belt fed Machine Gun. you'll just say they're lying. You can't lose. 

And what does Islam have to do with this attack? Obsessed much?

Edited October 2, 2017 by ilostmypassword

[Ruffian Dick]

I suppose the BATF will release a statement soon.

The FBI is no doubt tearing through his home right now searching for facts.

[Scott]

4 minutes ago, tonray said:

In those 3 days I would bet the maid cleaned the room and failed to notice 10 rilfes ? And if she did not gain entry because of do not disturb signs...then security should have been notified as resident's safety in question for 3 days.

I am guessing that he most likely had the 'Do Not Disturb' sign up, or if the maid was allowed in, he was present at the time and made sure his stash of guns and ammo was out of site.   A closed closet would be sufficient.  

 

Considering the number of people who golf, it would be quite possible to sneak it in in a golf bag, especially over a few day period.  

 

[manarak]

9 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

And if officials confirm what you claim, you'll say I told you do. And if officials say that it was not  a full auto 30 cal, belt fed Machine Gun. you'll just say they're lying. You can't lose. 

And what does Islam have to do with this attack? Obsessed much?

 

mainstream news is having it now: the gunner converted to Islam some months ago.

http://www.newsweek.com/isis-claims-las-vegas-shooting-says-stephen-paddock-converted-islam-675504

 

I was about to post a sarcastic post about this massacre for once not being connected to the religion of peace, and these news almost made me spill my beer.

probably just one more item to add to the long list of stuff some sick people claim "has nothing to do with Islam"

Edited October 2, 2017 by manarak

[tonray]

2 minutes ago, manarak said:

 

mainstream news is having it now: the gunner converted to Islam some months ago.

 

I was about to post a sarcastic post about this massacre for once not being connected to the religion of peace, and these news almost made me spill my beer.

probably just one more item to add to the long list of stuff some sick people claim "has nothing to do with Islam"

The only thing this has to do with ISLAM is folks like you who are apparently so paranoid that a white guy went nuts (like that's never happened before ) you need to find another reason for it.

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, manarak said:

 

mainstream news is having it now: the gunner converted to Islam some months ago.

http://www.newsweek.com/isis-claims-las-vegas-shooting-says-stephen-paddock-converted-islam-675504

 

I was about to post a sarcastic post about this massacre for once not being connected to the religion of peace, and these news almost made me spill my beer.

probably just one more item to add to the long list of stuff some sick people claim "has nothing to do with Islam"

Your post is a stinking distorted pile of fake news inflammatory garbage. Shame on you.

All that Newsweek says is that ISIS claims he converted and is taking credit.

That proves nothing.

The FBI says there is no evidence of that. 

Quote

 

The FBI said that "no connection" between Paddock and radical Islamist extremism had been found.

"As this event unfolds we have determined to this point no connection with an international terrorist group," Aaron Rouse, the special agent in charge of the Las Vegas office of the FBI, said in an announcement, AFP news agency reported.

 

http://www.newsweek.com/isis-claims-las-vegas-shooting-says-stephen-paddock-converted-islam-675504

Edited October 2, 2017 by Jingthing

[manarak]

Just now, tonray said:

The only thing this has to do with ISLAM is folks like you who are apparently so paranoid that a white guy went nuts (like that's never happened before ) you need to find another reason for it.

 

I don't know where in my post you read that this was the reason for the shooting?

I do believe as you that the guy went nuts, yes, definitely.

I also think that there is a link to Islam, same as there is a link to NAZI when skinheads decide to kill some immigrant in the name of aryan supremacy. I do think they are nuts too. But the links remain.

[tonray]

Just now, manarak said:

 

I don't know where in my post you read that this was the reason for the shooting?

I do believe as you that the guy went nuts, yes, definitely.

I also think that there is a link to Islam, same as there is a link to NAZI when skinheads decide to kill some immigrant in the name of aryan supremacy. I do think they are nuts too. But the links remain.

It's called attempt to play on mass hysteria. You know exactly what you are doing when you post unsubstantiated rumor. You play on the fears and predispositions of those already in the camp....have you ever met a Muslim, have you eaten or socialized with any ? Or do you just get your prejudices from Fox news ?

[JCauto]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Disagree, but there is no point to this. Time and time again it has been proven nothing will be done. Only denial and excuses.

 

You forgot "thoughts and prayers to the victims".

[manarak]

1 minute ago, tonray said:

It's called attempt to play on mass hysteria. You know exactly what you are doing when you post unsubstantiated rumor. You play on the fears and predispositions of those already in the camp....have you ever met a Muslim, have you eaten or socialized with any ? Or do you just get your prejudices from Fox news ?

 

sure I have, but I only socialized with Muslims who do not follow the letter of the Quran.

 

and indeed, I must confess to misreading some headlines before posting - it appears ISIS did claim responsibility and the guy's conversion, but so far didn't supply any proof.
so you might be right that this is just fake.

Edited October 2, 2017 by manarak

[tonray]

Just now, manarak said:

 

sure I have, but I only socialized with Muslims who do not follow the letter of the Quran.

What about Christians, only socialize with ones who don't follow the letter of the bible ?

[manarak]

3 minutes ago, tonray said:

What about Christians, only socialize with ones who don't follow the letter of the bible ?

 

I do think so yes.

I did know some people from my childhood who became priests, we don't have contacts anymore, I think they are nuts.
One wears old-fashioned priest dress and speaks latin. His sect has been excluded from the official Catholic Church.

The other is just a "normal priest", but any discussion always ends with the argument of his "belief", so there is nothing to talk about.

 

Edited October 2, 2017 by manarak

[nausea]

It's most likely Daesh trying to capitalise on the tragedy for propoganda purposes, without proof (a video pledging allegiance or something) it means nothing.

 

 

 

[howto]

@ilostmypassword,

obviously you did not watch the vids ,,,

19 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

And if officials confirm what you claim, you'll say I told you do. And if officials say that it was not  a full auto 30 cal, belt fed Machine Gun. you'll just say they're lying. You can't lose. 

And what does Islam have to do with this attack? Obsessed much?

Frankly My Dear, I Don't Give A Damn What You Think.

I'm not the one whom lost life, or, limb, nor loved ones.

Don't be a buttwipe, please.

[manarak]

1 minute ago, howto said:

@ilostmypassword,

obviously you did not watch the vids ,,,

Frankly My Dear, I Don't Give A Damn What You Think.

I'm not the one whom lost life, or, limb, nor loved ones.

Don't be a buttwipe, please.

 

the sound of the gun really had me puzzled.

didn't sound like the usual AK or M16.

 

[Jingthing]

Now is the best time to talk about GUN CONTROL.

After the biggest mass shooting in American history. 

Yes?

When is a better time? 

When the topic is off the front pages?

I know, I know, zero chance of anything changing.

Even when there was a massacre of school children by a known mentally ill person, nothing could be changed. Sick!

Edited October 2, 2017 by Jingthing

[balo]

There is still a chance he was brainwashed by the IS but it seems unlikely a 64 year old would do that . But it was well planned , that's for sure.  He was a loner , aren't they all ?