Air pollution at Rayong ?

[Rimmer]

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[Airbagwill]

check the AQs today -  Rayong today is orange“unhealthy” for sensitive groups - the only place in Thailand

Edited November 12, 2017 by Airbagwill

[beachproperty]

2 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

check the AQs today -  Rayong today is orange“unhealthy” for sensitive groups - the only place in Thailand

HaHaHa....555555....An ever changing AQ....no wonder Airbagwill doesn't Post his sources!

Just so the average Joe can read them selves

http://aqicn.org/city/bangkok/

http://aqicn.org/city/rayong/

http://aqicn.org/city/chiang -mai/

 

It must be embarrassing to quote statistics that DON'T support what you say ....But clearly Rayong is in the healthy area with a reading of 40 at 4:00 pm and MOST of the last 48 has been at that or better.

 

Also Airbagwill in misleading the masses you do not note the LIMITED stations for such readings. We'll just chalk if up to ....."you just don't know"

 

 

Edited November 12, 2017 by beachproperty

[Rimmer]

A couple of baiting/bickering posts have been removed

[Airbagwill]

I'm just reporting information that is readily available of the net and making a reasoned commentary.

I feel though that some people may have their judgments clouded by a "vested interest" in the region.

I'm sure it must be rather annoying to find oneself living in bought or rented accommodation in the middle of one of the most polluted areas in Thailand.

It is my fervent hope that the more this information is publicised the more likely the authorities are to take the action needed to ensure a pollution free environment.

 

Few people have actually countered a single piece of information I've posted. They prefer to debate where I live - although I fail to see the significance of that....apart from the fact I've missed (sometimes narrowly) the incidents listed below.

 

the information is there if you care to look.

 

Can you see a patten here?

 

Oct 2017 - ASM fire - Asia Industry, Ban Chang

https://www.thailandnews.co/2017/10/silicone-factory-ablaze-rayong/

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/img/news/2017/10/19/30329672/0c0df4e0c17695c9daedc36e992b8bfe-sld.jpeg

 

Aug 2016

RAYONG: A wastewater tank exploded and started a fire inside the factory of PTT Phenol Co in the Hemaraj Eastern Industrial Estate, Muang district, early on Monday.

https://www.thephuketnews.com/no-casualties-as-wastewater-tank-at-petrochemical-plant-in-rayong-explodes-causes-fire-58794.php

https://www.thephuketnews.com/photo/listing/2016/1471853367_1-org.jpg

 

May 2016

RAYONG: -- Nine workers were injured, two of them seriously, when a smelter furnace bursted at a factory in an industrial estate in Rayong province Thursday.

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/920514-nine-injured-in-smelter-furnace-explosion-in-rayong/

 

Feb 2015

http://www.pattayamail.com/news/fire-causes-13-billion-baht-damage-at-rayong-tire-factory-44732

Fire causes 1.3 billion baht damage at Rayong tire factory

 

April 2013

Rayong factory fire causes panic, 80 Mil. baht damage

http://www.pattayamail.com/news/rayong-factory-fire-causes-panic-80-mil-baht-damage-24427

“Blaze at Rayong chemical factory kills 12

“An explosion that sparked a blaze at a chemical factory in eastern Thailand killed 12 people, injured more than 100 and spewed toxic smoke into the air, the health ministry said on Sunday..... The plant contained more than seven tons of liquid petroleum gas, 600 kg. of chlorine and other chemicals.”

 

May 2012

Rayong Toluene Plant Explosion 30 Injured 3 Killed

http://pattayadailynews.com/rayong-toluene-plant-explosion-30-injured-3-killed/

“The municipality moved everybody out of the area because of the wind direction that blew strong chemical smell to Amphur Baan Chang and Amphur Sattahip.”

 

The final deat toll seems to be 12 with 129 injured........ 

Chemical explosion at Map Ta Phut in Rayong kills 12

https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/news-chemical-explosion-at-map-ta-phut-in-rayong-kills-12/

 

Edited November 19, 2017 by Airbagwill

[beachproperty]

Airbagwell ......you should read the OP again as the many incidents you note have NOTHING to to with the OP's request whether there is AIR pollution in Rayong , specific to his asthma.

 

I noted the beach area was good because the Southeast wind pattern that blows whatever pollution comes from MapTa Phut is blown past the beach area.

 

Also as you have so aptly referred to the AQ readings ....it must be noted that on most, if not all, readings have been in the moderate to better readings. Also it must be noted that these stations where the readings are taken are inland (Sukumvit) where the pollution would be pushed (ie ...the BEACH AREA if they had a station would be better!).

 

On 11/12/2017 at 4:12 PM, beachproperty said:

http://aqicn.org/city/bangkok/

http://aqicn.org/city/rayong/

http://aqicn.org/city/chiang -mai/

 

Edited November 20, 2017 by Rimmer
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[Airbagwill]

Re wind direction. Faith in wind "protection" is misplaced.

Monsoon (its a climate not a season!) winds blow in opposite directions depending on time of year. - they also do not remain from a  constant direction in any particular season - just a majority - this is nowhere near 100%

 

Secondly these are GROUND LEVEL winds - winds higher up go in different directions and can deposit emissions in completely different directions from winds below.

 

then may I draw you attention to this form the above post

 

“The municipality moved everybody out of the area because of the wind direction that blew strong chemical smell to Amphur Baan Chang and Amphur Sattahip.”

 

Winds are not the only way of distributing pollution and certainly don't protect anyone.

 

Pollution one=ce released can enter both fresh and salt water. Rivers streams etc carry pollution back down to the coast

Furthermore waste disposal means toxic and semi toxic substances are being carried all over the area by road.

50% is apparently disposed of illegally.

 

All this means that soil, and dust as well as water are swirling around the area in unmonitored ways.

 

Wind is not air pollution - air pollution can mean chemicals or particulates in the air that come from various sources - factory emissions both incident and          accidental, transportation of industrial waste, the redistribution into the soil from contaminated water supplies which when farmed are released as dust.

 

So all this and more contributes to air pollution.

 

[Rimmer]

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Getting tired of the number of times I have been called out to this topic net result  if you can not discuss as adults without flaming somone will be getting a holiday and the topic will be closed.

[beachproperty]

19 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

Secondly these are GROUND LEVEL winds - winds higher up go in different directions and can deposit emissions in completely different directions from winds below.

Well.....since I live at GROUND LEVEL....I believe I'm safe from the pollution as I pointed out in my earlier posts. Additionally the AQI (air quality index) supports this

 

On 11/12/2017 at 1:12 AM, beachproperty said:

http://aqicn.org/city/bangkok/

http://aqicn.org/city/rayong/

http://aqicn.org/city/chiang -mai/

 

Edited November 20, 2017 by beachproperty

[nontabury]

1 hour ago, beachproperty said:

Well.....since I live at GROUND LEVEL....I believe I'm safe from the pollution as I pointed out in my earlier posts. Additionally the AQI (air quality index) supports this

 

 

 

Airbagwill has consistently presented facts that support his argument. So why don’t you counter his arguments with facts, and not your opinion. Or would you be more believable, if you were to state that the Thai roads are the safest in the world.

 

[beachproperty]

2 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

Airbagwill has consistently presented facts that support his argument. So why don’t you counter his arguments with facts, and not your opinion. Or would you be more believable, if you were to state that the Thai roads are the safest in the world.

 

I have supported my arguments with FACTS....Have you not read my posts. There is something called AQI (air quality index)....it is presented HERE

 

On 11/12/2017 at 1:12 AM, beachproperty said:

http://aqicn.org/city/bangkok/

http://aqicn.org/city/rayong/

http://aqicn.org/city/chiang -mai/

But as I have noted although the readings for Rayong are outstanding, there are only two places that monitor the air and they are on Sukumvit (inland far from the beach).

 

If you believe that Rayong is a cesspool, as does Airbagwell ...That's your prerogative ....I have just presented the Facts that confirm Rayong as a nice place to live!

[Eff1n2ret]

2 hours ago, Rimmer said:

and the topic will be closed

Well, I wouldn't complain if you did.....

[Airbagwill]

I don’t think many of the “deniers” actually understand the nature of pollutants and pollution - they aren’t usually visible and not often smell-able either, but wafted around they present a very real danger to health.

 

Firstly for those having trouble reading the AQIs- this seems to have happened a few times.

 

 

Here are the color codes

 

Color	Level of Health Concern	AQI Values
Green	Good	0 to 50
Yellow	Moderate	51 to 100
Orange	Unhealthy for sensitive groups	101 to 150
Red	Unhealthy	151 to 200
Purple	Very Unhealthy	201 to 300
Maroon	Hazardous	301 to 500

 

 

If you look at the AQI record for the last 2 days Sunday and Monday at Rayong ...

http://aqicn.org/city/rayong/

you will see that although the ozone, nitrogen dioxide, sulfur dioxide, and carbon monoxide levels are OK, (green), both particulate levels PM2.5 and PM10 have been orange and on Sunday RED> - “unhealthy” - this is the moderate to high range.... This is not an unusual reading for Rayong.

 

Particulate matter - (PM) is the stuff that gives you those “glowing” orange sunsets and makes marathon runners cough and give up in Delhi this week-end.

 

“known as particle pollution, is a complex mixture of extremely small particles and liquid droplets that get into the air. Once inhaled, these particles can affect the heart and lungs and cause serious health effects.” - epa. USA

 

They are so small, they can be inhaled deep into your lungs and even absorbed into your blood....they can be about 1/30th the diameter of a human hair.

 

Much of the particulates can then re-emerge in the dust when the weather dries out and are again carried about on the winds and rivers.

Levels are often lower in Times of rain and at weekends - this is because rain washes the particulates onto the ground and traffic and output from factories is often lower.

 

Wind - not the be-all and end-all as explained before - BUT - The monsoon nature of the prevailing winds mean that they too blow in the OPPOSITE direction mostly in November and December but they are not the most important winds in the region for spreading pollution the cyclic coastal winds will help there as do the higher atmosphere winds.

fig 1

  Warm air over land rises 

  Sea Breeze moves inland 

  Cumuli develop aloft and move seaward 

  Upper level return land breeze 

  Cool air aloft sinks over water 

  Sea Breeze (meso-cold) Front 

 

fig 2 - Coastal air changing direction  according to sea/land temperature differential

 

Edited November 20, 2017 by Airbagwill

[beachproperty]

An interesting post Airbagwell But you seem to be in denial of the fact that the Air Quality Index station for Rayong happens to be on Sukumvit and towards Mat Ta Phut (Very far away from the beach). So NOT indicative of ALL Rayong!

 

You have presented generic facts about about the AQI and seemingly forgot to mention that Bangkok and Chiang Mai have HIGHER readings (ie much worse air Quality) than Rayong!

So it would seem that Rayong is NOT the most polluted city in Thailand. You need to get your facts Straight and widen your scope of your experience here in Thailand!

[Airbagwill]

I don't see that pollution in other parts of Thailand is any mitigation of the situation in Rayong.

 

As you say I'm just looking at the government installed detectors for AQIs which of course only detect in their own little space, but I think you miss the point that the substances they have detected do not exist solely around the detectors - they have arrived there on the air currents etc and the "generalisations" I've made should explain to most how the pollution for the industry in the region moves around and being on a beach and "prevailing winds" are no protection or guarantee.

 

you might also ask why the detectors are actually turned off so often....and of course why they were put there in the first place.... it wasn't a random event...and absence of detectors certainly doesn't indicate and absence of pollution.

Edited November 20, 2017 by Airbagwill

[beachproperty]

Airbagwell you stated in a previous post that Rayong "is the most polluted city in Thailand"

Well the AQI for Bangkok and Chaing Mai PROVE you WRONG.

On 11/12/2017 at 1:12 AM, beachproperty said:

http://aqicn.org/city/bangkok/

http://aqicn.org/city/rayong/

http://aqicn.org/city/chiang -mai/

Look at the moment..... Rayong has the lowest readings,

look at the averages ....Rayong has the lowest readings

 

Open your eyes Airbagwell....Bangkok and Chaing Mai are worse on the AQI and I could add a number of other cities where the Air Pollution is Worse!

Edited November 20, 2017 by beachproperty

[Airbagwill]

You seem to be desperately clinging to a single set of stats that you alone hold to be representative of the situation. - you're in the biggest industrial area in Thailand - one of thew biggest in S.E. Asia - Rayong, Chonburi and Chachoengsao - an area that is about to grow exponentially - all this is common knowledge. The situation in Rayong has lasted for 3 decades, possible more and you are holding onto one stick with a tin on top in somewhere in Rayong as evidence this is not happening.

 

I'm still not convinced you actually understand or WANT to understand what pollution is, how it moves about or what the health threats are - I don't think you've shown any understanding of how health stats work or what they show for residents in Rayong.

I know that having property in Rayong gives you a vested interest in the area and it is hard not to admit that this may not have been such a good idea after all, but continually gainsaying me is not going to reduce the real and present risks to  your health  and even the value of your final property.

 

BTW - I fail to see how saying some places are WORSE helps your argument at all....the sins of one don't mitigate the sins of another.

 

....and the stats you quote still put Rayong in front for particulates - have you not seen that?

Edited November 20, 2017 by Airbagwill

[beachproperty]

Airbagwell.....YOUR the one that said Rayong is the worst polluted city in Thailand ....I'm just pointing out that your WRONG...See prior post!

 

And again the stats I put forth DO NOT put Rayong in front for particulates ...Try Opening you eyes! Read the following

2 hours ago, beachproperty said:

  On 11/12/2017 at 1:12 AM, beachproperty said:

http://aqicn.org/city/bangkok/

http://aqicn.org/city/rayong/

http://aqicn.org/city/chiang -mai/

Again ....as much as you might want the readings to be high for Rayong.....they're NOT....wish as you might....they're NOT

Fact is they are the lowest of the three!

Edited November 20, 2017 by beachproperty

[beachproperty]

1 hour ago, beachproperty said:

1 hour ago, beachproperty said:

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2 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

You seem to be desperately clinging to a single set of stats that you alone hold to be representative of the situation.The AQI (air quality index) is an official stat ....and yes I hold it representative of the situation....WHY don't you?

 

- you're in the biggest industrial area in Thailand - one of thew biggest in S.E. Asia - Rayong, Chonburi and Chachoengsao - an area that is about to grow exponentially - all this is common knowledge(Opinion backed by NOTHING) .

 

 The situation in Rayong has lasted for 3 decades, possible more and you are holding onto one stick with a tin on top in somewhere in Rayong as evidence this is not happening.(Again your Opinion backed by no factual basis....Your stretching!)

 

I'm still not convinced you actually understand or WANT to understand what pollution is, how it moves about or what the health threats are - I don't think you've shown any understanding of how health stats work or what they show for residents in Rayong.(Whether I understand or WANT to understand what pollution is ......The issue HERE is Air Pollution which is shown by the AQI. Again Rayong comes out on top of Bangkok and Chaing Mai)

 

I know that having property in Rayong gives you a vested interest in the area and it is hard not to admit that this may not have been such a good idea after all, but continually gainsaying me is not going to reduce the real and present risks to  your health  and even the value of your final property.(Having or not having property is not the issue ....although since you have no argument against Rayong (Air quality of Rayong better than Bangkok and Chaing Mai) you have to bring in property controlled

......Why ....it is not an issue ....except maybe to you who owns nothing....

 

BTW - I fail to see how saying some places are WORSE helps your argument at all....the sins of one don't mitigate the sins of another. (They do when YOU stated that Rayong is the worst polluted city in Thailand.....I guess you're now conceding that it is NOT! Hurray! an honest statement .....Rayong is NOT the worst polluted city in Thailand)

 

....and the stats you quote still put Rayong in front for particulates - have you not seen that? (I guess your eyesight is BAD.....look at the Stats in the AQI....Rayong comes out on top

  On 11/12/2017 at 1:12 AM, beachproperty said:

http://aqicn.org/city/bangkok/

http://aqicn.org/city/rayong/

http://aqicn.org/city/chiang -mai

 

Edited November 20, 2017 by beachproperty

[Wim1954]

On 19-11-2017 at 7:08 PM, Airbagwill said:

I'm just reporting information that is readily available of the net and making a reasoned commentary.

I feel though that some people may have their judgments clouded by a "vested interest" in the region.

I'm sure it must be rather annoying to find oneself living in bought or rented accommodation in the middle of one of the most polluted areas in Thailand.

It is my fervent hope that the more this information is publicised the more likely the authorities are to take the action needed to ensure a pollution free environment.

 

Few people have actually countered a single piece of information I've posted. They prefer to debate where I live - although I fail to see the significance of that....apart from the fact I've missed (sometimes narrowly) the incidents listed below.

 

the information is there if you care to look.

 

Can you see a patten here?

 

Oct 2017 - ASM fire - Asia Industry, Ban Chang

https://www.thailandnews.co/2017/10/silicone-factory-ablaze-rayong/

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/img/news/2017/10/19/30329672/0c0df4e0c17695c9daedc36e992b8bfe-sld.jpeg

 

Aug 2016

RAYONG: A wastewater tank exploded and started a fire inside the factory of PTT Phenol Co in the Hemaraj Eastern Industrial Estate, Muang district, early on Monday.

https://www.thephuketnews.com/no-casualties-as-wastewater-tank-at-petrochemical-plant-in-rayong-explodes-causes-fire-58794.php

https://www.thephuketnews.com/photo/listing/2016/1471853367_1-org.jpg

 

May 2016

RAYONG: -- Nine workers were injured, two of them seriously, when a smelter furnace bursted at a factory in an industrial estate in Rayong province Thursday.

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/920514-nine-injured-in-smelter-furnace-explosion-in-rayong/

 

Feb 2015

http://www.pattayamail.com/news/fire-causes-13-billion-baht-damage-at-rayong-tire-factory-44732

Fire causes 1.3 billion baht damage at Rayong tire factory

 

April 2013

Rayong factory fire causes panic, 80 Mil. baht damage

http://www.pattayamail.com/news/rayong-factory-fire-causes-panic-80-mil-baht-damage-24427

“Blaze at Rayong chemical factory kills 12

“An explosion that sparked a blaze at a chemical factory in eastern Thailand killed 12 people, injured more than 100 and spewed toxic smoke into the air, the health ministry said on Sunday..... The plant contained more than seven tons of liquid petroleum gas, 600 kg. of chlorine and other chemicals.”

 

May 2012

Rayong Toluene Plant Explosion 30 Injured 3 Killed

http://pattayadailynews.com/rayong-toluene-plant-explosion-30-injured-3-killed/

“The municipality moved everybody out of the area because of the wind direction that blew strong chemical smell to Amphur Baan Chang and Amphur Sattahip.”

 

The final deat toll seems to be 12 with 129 injured........ 

Chemical explosion at Map Ta Phut in Rayong kills 12

https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/news-chemical-explosion-at-map-ta-phut-in-rayong-kills-12/

 

You show the news about Ban Chang, Mapthaput, Sathahip even Pattaya this all have nothing to do with the CITY RAYONG and all the clean beaches and air at Rayong beyond all you industrial estates.

[Rimmer]

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