Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[nauseus]

Just now, RuamRudy said:

I am not sure how I can be clearer. Malaga Teddy said that the SNP was filled with racists. I showed him photos from yesterday's march which clearly showed how wrong his understanding is, and that the racists were, indeed, those waving the Union Jack. If that is not clear for you then I think it is beyond my ability to break it down for you any further.

Must have missed their racist ID's - I couldn't see the backs of their necks. 

[malagateddy]

Must have missed their racist ID's - I couldn't see the backs of their necks. 

R/r..I was still residing over in Glasgow when indy ref took place..sadly your moronic smp were coming out with their anti English/British bile then.
They are still coming out with the same bile. Imo they are nithing but a shower of ignorant bitter losers.
Just the same as the remoaners

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[vogie]

7 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I am not sure how I can be clearer. Malaga Teddy said that the SNP was filled with racists. I showed him photos from yesterday's march which clearly showed how wrong his understanding is, and that the racists were, indeed, those waving the Union Jack. If that is not clear for you then I think it is beyond my ability to break it down for you any further.

If you think two photo's from the internet prooves anything you are clearly deluded or very naive, I could find two photo's to show the complete opposite and you know it, you must be getting very desperate to even continue your stance.

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

If you think two photo's from the internet prooves anything you are clearly deluded or very naive, I could find two photo's to show the complete opposite and you know it, you must be getting very desperate to even continue your stance.

Go on - I will wait...

[RuamRudy]

5 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

R/r..I was still residing over in Glasgow when indy ref took place..sadly your moronic smp were coming out with their anti English/British bile then.
They are still coming out with the same bile. Imo they are nithing but a shower of ignorant bitter losers.
Just the same as the remoaners

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Certainly we have very different interpretations, Teddy. But I think you hit the nail on the head when you conflate Scottish Independence with the Remainers - at a general level both see internationalism and inclusion as fundamental to the future, whereas the Unionists and Brexiteers (again, at a general level - I don't want to be accused of tarring all with the same brush) are insular and mistrusting of those who are 'not from around here'.

 

So - another one of my often asked but NEVER answered questions: are these people simply deluded fools? What other explanation can you offer for their actions? Why would they enthusiastically support a movement that you claim hates them?

 

[malagateddy]

R/r..I will put it this way..I am so so glad that I was born into a good Glaswegian BRITISH Unionist Family and I will die a British Unionist.
Please dream on to your hearts content re scotland leaving the UK
Cheers


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[aright]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

Oh. Next time I'll try and find the puzzle page then. 

When life gets me down I watch Wallace and Grimace as a pick me up.

 

"Right then Grimace, first past the Brexit post makes the tea!

Oh Grimace! You forgot to put on your Brexit trousers!

Never mind those Remainer trousers will have to do. Off we go!

Oh Grimace! You've taken a nasty tumble! Oh dearie me!

That's what happens when you're wearing the wrong  trousers Grimace.

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

10 hours ago, HAKAPALITA said:

Anyone know why India still has the ultimate prejudice against its own people the untouchables, i cant figure it as they all look the same, yet in Europe they dont like it.?

I know it's  a bit off subject, but being as you asked, in the past, I have lived for more than 2 years in India, and owned a property there. Indian society is based on 2 fundamentals, the caste system and corruption; the two continually vie for pole position in terms of influence. The caste system is incredibly difficult to understand, and deeply embedded. I concluded that the corruption, rather than being a cancer on their society, which I first thought, was more the very fabric of it. I think it is impossible to ever eradicate, because the whole infrastructure of the country would collapse if anyone tried.

 

I read a quotation from an ancient Indian writer “Just as it is impossible to know when a swimming fish is drinking water, so it is impossible to know when a government servant is stealing money”  ….. it was reproduced in an excellent book about the rise of modern India ‘In Spite Of The Gods’ by Edward Luce ….. if you're that interested

 

P.S. the population of India are far from looking alike, a caste like the Brahmin for example are fairer skinned ..... as are the people higher up the caste system, if you are very dark skinned it is assumed that you are poor and from a lower caste and your skin tone reflects the fact that you work outside in the fields

Edited May 6, 2018 by Eloquent pilgrim
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[notmyself]

On ‎02‎/‎05‎/‎2018 at 9:22 AM, CG1 Blue said:

You do understand why that was done, right?

 

Corporatism basically and to leave that is a serious no no for the whores. It's like the god question where people argue 'if there is no god then who will be my master' as justification that a god must exist. You want to see some crazy **** shit in life then just listen to most all the arguments from the remainers who are glad of their chains. It is a wanton desire to be a slave where freedom is nothing more than a transfer of ownership. 

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, notmyself said:

 

Corporatism basically and to leave that is a serious no no for the whores. It's like the god question where people argue 'if there is no god then who will be my master' as justification that a god must exist. You want to see some crazy **** shit in life then just listen to most all the arguments from the remainers who are glad of their chains. It is a wanton desire to be a slave where freedom is nothing more than a transfer of ownership. 

If you work for a wage, have debt or have responsibilities like a family you are a slave with the illusion of being a free man. In the end it doesn't matter where your master sits, whether in Brussels or Whitehall or a bank with its headquarters in America you have little to no influence. The difference between a dictatorship and democracy is that a democratic government will give you the illusion of choice, they too have their masters. When push comes to shove even the illusion of choice is taken away, conscription in war for example, try refusing simply because you don't choose to join up.

[sandyf]

No economy can survive without business but in the brexit saga it is all about emotional delusions and business is mere bystander.

Japanese and other foreign business came to the UK as a way into Europe, effectively associate members of the club.

It doesn't matter how good an arrangement is reached over tariffs and paperwork they will end up outside the club rules and no longer have the security of all European operations being subject to the same law.

Why on earth would anyone put future investment at risk when they can put that security back in place through future plants on mainland Europe. By the time the brexiteers realise what they have done the damage will be irreversible. The time to wake up is now.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, soalbundy said:

If you work for a wage, have debt or have responsibilities like a family you are a slave with the illusion of being a free man. In the end it doesn't matter where your master sits, whether in Brussels or Whitehall or a bank with its headquarters in America you have little to no influence. The difference between a dictatorship and democracy is that a democratic government will give you the illusion of choice, they too have their masters. When push comes to shove even the illusion of choice is taken away, conscription in war for example, try refusing simply because you don't choose to join up.

Better little choice than none at all.

[nauseus]

25 minutes ago, sandyf said:

No economy can survive without business but in the brexit saga it is all about emotional delusions and business is mere bystander.

Japanese and other foreign business came to the UK as a way into Europe, effectively associate members of the club.

It doesn't matter how good an arrangement is reached over tariffs and paperwork they will end up outside the club rules and no longer have the security of all European operations being subject to the same law.

Why on earth would anyone put future investment at risk when they can put that security back in place through future plants on mainland Europe. By the time the brexiteers realise what they have done the damage will be irreversible. The time to wake up is now.

By "security of all European operations being subject to the same law" I assume you mean EU Law. The EU is not Europe and most of its laws and regulations are either unnecessary, unwanted or both by domestic UK business. Manufacturing has been systematically been allowed to be shifted away from the UK by the EU , assisted by complicit UK governments.

 

But Remainers never get that fact that the leave vote was not about business or the economy, anyway. 

[dick dasterdly]

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

No economy can survive without business but in the brexit saga it is all about emotional delusions and business is mere bystander.

Japanese and other foreign business came to the UK as a way into Europe, effectively associate members of the club.

It doesn't matter how good an arrangement is reached over tariffs and paperwork they will end up outside the club rules and no longer have the security of all European operations being subject to the same law.

Why on earth would anyone put future investment at risk when they can put that security back in place through future plants on mainland Europe. By the time the brexiteers realise what they have done the damage will be irreversible. The time to wake up is now.

"in the brexit saga it is all about emotional delusions"

 

I disagree entirely as there are quite a few reasons to dislike various aspects of the eu - factually, not emotionally.  Put simply:-

 

1) it's been quietly manipulated into far from 'the common market' - for which the brits. initially voted

 

2) the corruption and waste of taxpayer money in various ways

 

3) the 'open doors' policy, which only helps the wealthy - certainly not the poor in relatively wealthy countries.

[Neeranam]

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[dick dasterdly]

Just now, dick dasterdly said:

"in the brexit saga it is all about emotional delusions"

 

I disagree entirely as there are quite a few reasons to dislike various aspects of the eu - factually, not emotionally.  Put simply:-

 

1) it's been quietly manipulated into far from 'the common market' - for which the brits. initially voted

 

2) the corruption and waste of taxpayer money in various ways

 

3) the 'open doors' policy, which only helps the wealthy - certainly not the poor in relatively wealthy countries.

I apologise for quoting myself, but I'd add:-

 

4) the eu's obvious intention to not negotiate following the brit. referendum result - preferring to rely on non-negotiation, plus brit. politicians/media etc. to find a way to 'leave, but in name only' at worst (from their pov)....

[Johnniey]

Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

 

Yes they did, they voted for it. Good riddance !

[Eloquent pilgrim]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

No economy can survive without business but in the brexit saga it is all about emotional delusions and business is mere bystander.

Japanese and other foreign business came to the UK as a way into Europe, effectively associate members of the club.

It doesn't matter how good an arrangement is reached over tariffs and paperwork they will end up outside the club rules and no longer have the security of all European operations being subject to the same law.

Why on earth would anyone put future investment at risk when they can put that security back in place through future plants on mainland Europe. By the time the brexiteers realise what they have done the damage will be irreversible. The time to wake up is now.

 

I thought all of the project fear scaremongering had been dispensed with by now; however, allow me to put your mind at rest regarding Japanese and other foreign companies in the UK.

 

Nissan was the first overseas carmaker to sign an investment agreement in the UK after the Brexit referendum. In 2016 Nissan said it would build the next-generation Qashqai and X-Trail SUVs at the Japanese carmaker’s Sunderland plant.

 

Toyota have said it will build the next generation of its Auris hatchback at the  Burnaston plant in Derbyshire.The move follows a £240m investment by Toyota in the plant in 2017 aided by a £21.3m UK government grant, to retool the plant in preparation for a new set of models.

 

Honda has made a big commitment to its Swindon plant, when they announced the site would become the sole producer of its Civic hatchback

 

Even BMW, said last year that it will assemble the first all-electric Mini at its Oxford plant, having previously said it could make the car overseas because of Brexit. It said it is pleased with the quality of workmanship at the plant and that the “made in Britain” stamp is a strong selling point for Mini in overseas markets

 

These commitments from huge overseas companies, have secured thousands of well paid jobs for skilled British workers in the automotive industry. The faith and trust that these investors have shown in the UK is something we could do with a lot more of from most remainers; instead we get a perpetually bitter and negative narrative, which gives the impression that they do not want our great country to be successful.

 

As to your question “why on earth would anyone put future investment at risk” I suggest you write to Toyota, Nissan, Honda and BMW and ask them

Edited May 7, 2018 by Eloquent pilgrim

[aright]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

 The EU is not Europe and most of its laws and regulations are either unnecessary, unwanted or both by domestic UK business. Manufacturing has been systematically been allowed to be shifted away from the UK by the EU , assisted by complicit UK governments.

You make a good point.  

 

When the UK joined the EU we had a 45 million tons a year steel industry, today we are desperately trying to save an 11 million tonnes industry.

At the same time we had a 400000 tons aluminium industry. Today it is 43000 tons

We had a 20million ton of cement capacity, today it is 12million

In 1971 we had a 1million ton fishing industry. Today it is 600000.

The UK lost van production to Turkey, car capacity to Slovakia, chocolate to Poland, domestic appliances to the Netherlands and the Czech Republic and metal containers to Poland amongst others in recent years. In many cases there was an EU grant or loan involved in the new capacity.

It would be unfair to blame the total decline on the EU but it does show that joining the EU has done nothing for our growth rate nor saved many of our industries from decline. A good reason for leaving if you ask me.

 

[Neeranam]

https://www.rt.com/uk/425926-scotland-pro-independence-march/

 

 

The truth be known, we've never wanted to be part of the UK and I'm for one, happy with the idiots in England giving us this chance to become free. 

They will pay consequences for their ignorance and arrogance.

[aright]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

https://www.rt.com/uk/425926-scotland-pro-independence-march/

 

 

The truth be known, we've never wanted to be part of the UK and I'm for one, happy with the idiots in England giving us this chance to become free. 

They will pay consequences for their ignorance and arrogance.

Is your surname Trump?

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, aright said:

Is your surname Trump?

What has he got to do with anything?

[aright]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What has he got to do with anything?

With your issue nothing, with your expression "They will pay consequences for their ignorance and arrogance" everything. 

[vogie]

22 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

https://www.rt.com/uk/425926-scotland-pro-independence-march/

 

 

The truth be known, we've never wanted to be part of the UK and I'm for one, happy with the idiots in England giving us this chance to become free. 

They will pay consequences for their ignorance and arrogance.

You say "we've never wanted to be part of the UK" maybe you don't want to be part of the UK but your fellow Scots have voted quite the opposite.

When you say "they will pay for their ignorance and arrogance" by they, do you mean the English and how will we pay, are you honing your little dirk as we speak?

[nauseus]

22 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

https://www.rt.com/uk/425926-scotland-pro-independence-march/

 

 

The truth be known, we've never wanted to be part of the UK and I'm for one, happy with the idiots in England giving us this chance to become free. 

They will pay consequences for their ignorance and arrogance.

If you really are a Scot, you are from a country as divided on independence from the UK as the UK is divided about leaving the EU. If the Scots want to leave then they should go. But this isn't a devolution discussion. You had your chance already. All my Scottish friends think that independence from the UK is lunacy and I am happy to say that I agree with them.

 

Obviously, from your tone,  you are just one of an angry wee minority, just like another group on this thread!

[aright]

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Obviously, from your tone,  you are just one of an angry wee minority, just like another group on this thread!

Please!  Be a little more kind!

I have started a fund to build more cry closets for the group you refer to.

Care to donate?

16 minutes ago, vogie said:

 are you honing your little dirk as we speak?

Completely insensitive. My gf says it's not the size that matters, it's how angry it gets that's important.  

[Jip99]

58 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

https://www.rt.com/uk/425926-scotland-pro-independence-march/

 

 

The truth be known, we've never wanted to be part of the UK and I'm for one, happy with the idiots in England giving us this chance to become free. 

They will pay consequences for their ignorance and arrogance.

 

FREEDOM!

 

 

 

 

Have it........oh no!.....the Scots voted against that.

[oldhippy]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

https://www.rt.com/uk/425926-scotland-pro-independence-march/

 

 

The truth be known, we've never wanted to be part of the UK and I'm for one, happy with the idiots in England giving us this chance to become free. 

They will pay consequences for their ignorance and arrogance.

You talk about idiots, ignorance and arrogance.

I agree with you.

But of course I am not a buddhist like you claim to be....

[Neeranam]

11 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

You talk about idiots, ignorance and arrogance.

I agree with you.

But of course I am not a buddhist like you claim to be....

I'm not a Buddhist. Why do you think that?

[nauseus]

27 minutes ago, aright said:

Please!  Be a little more kind!

I have started a fund to build more cry closets for the group you refer to.

Care to donate?

Completely insensitive. My gf says it's not the size that matters, it's how angry it gets that's important.  

I already "kinded" it a bit before I posted it. 

 

I should have just kept with the first "arrogant" version. 

 

Edited May 7, 2018 by nauseus