snoop1130 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Breaking: French man released without charge after allegations of rape from British teen Image: Daily News The French man arrested in Phuket in April after a British 18 year old claimed that she had been raped on Koh Tao has been set free. Thaivisa understands that no charges were laid against him. Yohann Michel Tounga Mbouka was given his passport back though his whereabouts at this time have not yet been confirmed. Back at the beginning of April the British woman who woke up beside him claimed she had been drugged and raped. She contacted friends in England and the British Embassy in Bangkok was alerted. She said she had been raped by a black man. Thaivisa has been told that contrary to initial claims by police that they had evidence there was in fact none. Mr Mbouka claimed that the sex the couple had was consensual. It is said that the ordeal had cost Mr Mbouka 12,000 Euros to get bail and in other costs. More about this as we hear of it. -- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2018-6-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhunBENQ Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 Did he forget to let her sign the "yes I want" contract? 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post darksidedog Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 I do not know what happened. Only he and the girl do. The prosecutor has obviously decided there is no evidence and as such, the man is considered not guilty. I hope that is indeed the case. This does show very clearly the problem with the police parading everyone they arrest and making claims of evidence and guilt, when in fact they have none. People get vilified and their lives ruined. I have yet to see anyone make a successful claim against the cops, for basically lying to the press, to make their arrest sound kosher, when it often isn't. Suspects in these sort of cases need to have their identity withheld and only released as and when they are actually found guilty. 28 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post robblok Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, darksidedog said: I do not know what happened. Only he and the girl do. The prosecutor has obviously decided there is no evidence and as such, the man is considered not guilty. I hope that is indeed the case. This does show very clearly the problem with the police parading everyone they arrest and making claims of evidence and guilt, when in fact they have none. People get vilified and their lives ruined. I have yet to see anyone make a successful claim against the cops, for basically lying to the press, to make their arrest sound kosher, when it often isn't. Suspects in these sort of cases need to have their identity withheld and only released as and when they are actually found guilty. The evidence I seen was inconclusive she was walking with the guy to his hotel (could be pushed by wrist was not clear from the images). So obviously the cops interviewed the people in the bar and decided the girl went with the guy out of her own free wil. Poor guy arrested and made a lot of cost, it can be dangerous being a guy. Though one would think he would get his bail back after no charges have been laid. Would be interested to hear more about this as this still does not explain much. I would certainly be pissed of if this happened to me. Better not take any girls back to your hotel if they have been drinking. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sheryl Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 More to the point, don't bring back a woman or girl who is so drunk and/or drugged that she won't remember how she got there come morning.Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 26 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post robblok Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sheryl said: More to the point, don't bring back a woman or girl who is so drunk and/or drugged that she won't remember how she got there come morning. Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app I would normally not take a woman that drunk with me.. but if I were really drunk too wonder who would be guilty then. Though sex would be out of the question if i was really drunk I would be sleeping the moment my head would hit a pillow. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritManToo Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, robblok said: Better not take any girls back to your hotel if they have been drinking. Man, if I had stuck to that rule I would still be a virgin. In Thailand, best to stick to local girls, if you want to avoid trouble. I avoid all encounters of any kind with women while in the UK. Edited June 4, 2018 by BritManToo 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThreeEyedRaven Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Sheryl said: More to the point, don't bring back a woman or girl who is so drunk and/or drugged that she won't remember how she got there come morning. Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app While I agree with that, there have been a number of occasions in my past, when I have woken up beside a girl and have no idea who she is, or where I met her. That demon drink swings both ways. I never complained though. Edited June 4, 2018 by ThreeEyedRaven 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 minute ago, ThreeEyedRaven said: While I agree with that, there have been a number of occasions in my past, when I have woken up beside a girl and have no idea who she is, or where I met her. That demon drink swings both ways. I never complained though. I can still remember my brother complaining after having taken a party drug and waking up with older quite unattractive lady. We still have good laughs about it sometimes. So yes it works both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sheryl Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 It certainly works both ways but a man in that situation does not usually think he was raped....whereas a woman may intend suspect it (in some cases correctly.There is something of a built in fails afe for men in that if so wasted that you pass out, you will not be able to perform. Whereas it is physically possible to have sex with an unconscious or semi-conscious womanSent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post theguyfromanotherforum Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 16 minutes ago, BritManToo said: Man, if I had stuck to that rule I would still be a virgin. In Thailand, best to stick to local girls, if you want to avoid trouble. I avoid all encounters of any kind with women while in the UK. Oh yes.... you avoid. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post darksidedog Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 7 hours ago, robblok said: I can still remember my brother complaining after having taken a party drug and waking up with older quite unattractive lady. We still have good laughs about it sometimes. So yes it works both ways. I once woke up besides something so ugly, I just got up and left the house. Problem was, it was my house. I kept sliding by to see if she had gone, but she didn't get the message and leave till late afternoon. Very shameful day that one. 2 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poanoi Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 is the bail refunded or ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoon Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Sheryl said: It certainly works both ways but a man in that situation does not usually think he was raped....whereas a woman may intend suspect it (in some cases correctly. There is something of a built in fails afe for men in that if so wasted that you pass out, you will not be able to perform. Whereas it is physically possible to have sex with an unconscious or semi-conscious woman Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app No "failsafe" if the woman uses a strap-on. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arithai12 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 hours ago, darksidedog said: I do not know what happened. Only he and the girl do. The prosecutor has obviously decided there is no evidence and as such, the man is considered not guilty. I hope that is indeed the case. This does show very clearly the problem with the police parading everyone they arrest and making claims of evidence and guilt, when in fact they have none. People get vilified and their lives ruined. I have yet to see anyone make a successful claim against the cops, for basically lying to the press, to make their arrest sound kosher, when it often isn't. Suspects in these sort of cases need to have their identity withheld and only released as and when they are actually found guilty. Why against the cops? The claim by the guy should be against the girl. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 4 hours ago, Sheryl said: More to the point, don't bring back a woman or girl who is so drunk and/or drugged that she won't remember how she got there come morning. Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app in the UK that is a technical rape, it basically comes down to the person being so incapacitated that they were unable to say no, that could be for many reasons, but it shouldn't matter, incapacitated is what it is, very simple to understand, it is unlikely that Thailand would ever understand the concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 a few stupid comments on this thread I can think of no time when I was so incapacitated that a woman took advantage. I can think of a few situations were I have intervened when someone has tried to take advantage of a girl who was totally incapacitated, all of you know about these situations and the hard truth is that you could have ended up in serious trouble, you being drunk is no excuse when someone is completely incapacitated, spin it whatever way you want.....drugged drunk or whatever - incapacitated is something very obvious to all of us...…………..none responsive Oh and the Thai mentality is - she should never have got into that state in the first place.....her own fault, how (deleted) up is that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post anon789561 Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 3 hours ago, smedly said: a few stupid comments on this thread I can think of no time when I was so incapacitated that a woman took advantage. I can think of a few situations were I have intervened when someone has tried to take advantage of a girl who was totally incapacitated, all of you know about these situations and the hard truth is that you could have ended up in serious trouble, you being drunk is no excuse when someone is completely incapacitated, spin it whatever way you want.....drugged drunk or whatever - incapacitated is something very obvious to all of us...…………..none responsive Oh and the Thai mentality is - she should never have got into that state in the first place.....her own fault, how (deleted) up is that a few stupid comments on the thread including yours. the thai mentality? what are you talking about. it's the same the world over, how (deleted) up is that? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catman20 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 8 hours ago, poanoi said: is the bail refunded or ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanBBK Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 9 hours ago, poanoi said: is the bail refunded or ? Maybe a smart move to get home as quick as possible and deal with bail refund from afar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poanoi Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 it was an honest question since i have zero clue about it, anyway i'm taking it there's no refund, which begs the question: why would anyone piss away money on bail unless he already have a plan in hand to move to a country without extradition ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 12,000 Euros "bail". Case closed. Sounds about the going rate for someone with a Western European passport. TIT. Justice is always for sale. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borzandy Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 12 hours ago, snoop1130 said: Tounga Mbouka This is not a French name and not a French guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammieuk1 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Maybe he is a liar and shock horror the police screwed up the evidence and guess the truth will never be known now he has hopped it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borzandy Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 12 hours ago, snoop1130 said: Mr Mbouka claimed that the sex the couple had was consensual. Sexy man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 OMG Woke up and found he was not a "hansum man" After 2am no one is ugly. After 7.30 am it all changes. What is the female equivalent of a coyote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Ray Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 A friend of mine woke up once in a house in the suburbs of Bristol, his new squeeze having already departed for work. He looked out of the window and realised he did not have a clue where he was. Eventually found a letter with the address on it, so was able to call a taxi to take him home. The evils of drink! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiChakayan Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 11 hours ago, Sheryl said: Whereas it is physically possible to have sex with an unconscious or semi-conscious woman. Well, by my standards this wouldn't be "having sex". More like: "penetration with subsequent ejaculation". Even stray dogs do better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 He gets the bail money back! such a hard one to prove rape. I coudl understand if the subject was very rich but if not then why would she lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedybuffalo Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 9 hours ago, arithai12 said: Why against the cops? The claim by the guy should be against the girl. ... including her well connected 'friends in UK' who intervened in a way that resembles colonial attitudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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