Testosterone, steroids, etc.

[Destiny1990]

3 minutes ago, Venkku said:

125mg every 5 days or 250mg every 10 days. 

Ok sorry i made a wrong calculation.. 

[Destiny1990]

Something else the difference between these gels and the injections i think are the oils.

seems the injections got oil blended with them and the gels don't..?

 

if thats the case i think its much better to take the gels to avoid the oils which can lead to more skin problems or am wrong here?

[Venkku]

13 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

Something else the difference between these gels and the injections i think are the oils.

seems the injections got oil blended with them and the gels don't..?

 

if thats the case i think its much better to take the gels to avoid the oils which can lead to more skin problems or am wrong here?

Injections are always oil based. Gels you rub on your body. But with gels you have to watch out for skin to skin contact with women and children and you have to use it every day. And absorption depends on the person. 

[Destiny1990]

25 minutes ago, Venkku said:

Injections are always oil based. Gels you rub on your body. But with gels you have to watch out for skin to skin contact with women and children and you have to use it every day. And absorption depends on the person. 

Seems andro gel would be my first choice to try out..injection with Oil makes u skin oily and acne..

i do know about the 6 hour rule and washing hands.

[Venkku]

5 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

Seems andro gel would be my first choice to try out..injection with Oil makes u skin oily and acne..

i do know about the 6 hour rule and washing hands.

The oil on the injections has nothing to do with oily skin and acne. 

[itsallmedia]

Will the urology depts at the hospitals prescribe HCG and AI with their TRT protocols? 

[faraday]

6 hours ago, itsallmedia said:

Will the urology depts at the hospitals prescribe HCG and AI with their TRT protocols? 

Very doubtful

[robblok]

10 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

Something else the difference between these gels and the injections i think are the oils.

seems the injections got oil blended with them and the gels don't..?

 

if thats the case i think its much better to take the gels to avoid the oils which can lead to more skin problems or am wrong here?

Your wrong and those oils are what give the timed release.  I can't say that i ever get acne. Its only a risk at much higher doses.

[robblok]

9 hours ago, itsallmedia said:

Will the urology depts at the hospitals prescribe HCG and AI with their TRT protocols? 

Doubtful but some do it to supposedly keep their balls the size they were while I did not notice shrinkage. 

[Destiny1990]

Yes ball shrinkage can occur then i also read that various persons  mentioned about having a tight scrotum as a side effect something that i not am looking forward too.

[faraday]

If one has low testosterone, then supplementing it, shouldn't cause ball shrinkage though.

 

And the same for using an AI -Arimdex for example; as if your t level is at a normal level, then there ought not to be excess E2 - Oestradiol.

[Destiny1990]

By the way that Tim Lopez clinic i been there before and found it very expensive they really into selling u a monthly program and i sure that might be a knowledgeable clinic but its very high calculated especially since they located in Thailand i find him overpriced  any program they offer costs atleast 10,000 - 19,000 bht Monthly..’Also since i travel lots i cant do that program and its follow ups.

[Hummin]

9 hours ago, itsallmedia said:

Will the urology depts at the hospitals prescribe HCG and AI with their TRT protocols? 

I can assure you that not one of the anti age doctors I have met would prescribe you hcg. 

 

 

skin problem and acne comes when I getting low again, and need a new dosage. Im on Nebido now, and after a few shots, everything is back to normal as I was 35 again. First cycle was 6 weeks, then 8 and now 10 I might try to extend it to 12 next shot.  We will see, how I feel, and how my testresoults will be. Nebido is very stedy and good solution for me, but my balls shrinked significant, and at first I was a bit concerned, but now I do not care, unless my gf massage them, I feel a bit unconformtable since they feels small. Just a feeling, and I am not up to make children either, so it is a good birth controll shot as well for me.

 

I have tried Andriol, and that was my start of new life, and everything I felt I had last came back. Sex endurance and feeling, mood, energy, and waight loss. And I will rather have 10 more good years like this, than 30 years in the state I was moving! I have also tried Androgel 50 mg, but did not like using it, but it also worked well when I was home, and missed out a shot! 

 

I am now concidering another product since I want to administrate it myselves and less cost, but again, I have spent money on bloodtests, learning effects, and what is good for me. Im not boosting just to getting the rush, I have found a good middleway with good resoults not to high and not to low. 

[Hummin]

Another important facts I have been told, read, and experienced, you need to change your diet, you need to exercise and stop drinking to much of alchohol! TRT will not improve your life in the long terms if you are not willing to also change lifestyle if you have bad habits. 

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[Destiny1990]

24 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I can assure you that not one of the anti age doctors I have met would prescribe you hcg. 

 

 

skin problem and acne comes when I getting low again, and need a new dosage. Im on Nebido now, and after a few shots, everything is back to normal as I was 35 again. First cycle was 6 weeks, then 8 and now 10 I might try to extend it to 12 next shot.  We will see, how I feel, and how my testresoults will be. Nebido is very stedy and good solution for me, but my balls shrinked significant, and at first I was a bit concerned, but now I do not care, unless my gf massage them, I feel a bit unconformtable since they feels small. Just a feeling, and I am not up to make children either, so it is a good birth controll shot as well for me.

 

I have tried Andriol, and that was my start of new life, and everything I felt I had last came back. Sex endurance and feeling, mood, energy, and waight loss. And I will rather have 10 more good years like this, than 30 years in the state I was moving! I have also tried Androgel 50 mg, but did not like using it, but it also worked well when I was home, and missed out a shot! 

 

I am now concidering another product since I want to administrate it myselves and less cost, but again, I have spent money on bloodtests, learning effects, and what is good for me. Im not boosting just to getting the rush, I have found a good middleway with good resoults not to high and not to low. 

Nice informative post..

so ur skin condition usually  improves from trt?

thats what i was hoping  could happen also.

any side effects as feeling very hot and super tight scrotum?

what is the new product u consider to try?

[robblok]

55 minutes ago, faraday said:

If one has low testosterone, then supplementing it, shouldn't cause ball shrinkage though.

 

And the same for using an AI -Arimdex for example; as if your t level is at a normal level, then there ought not to be excess E2 - Oestradiol.

I use arimidex to keep my estrogen low, without it I am still in normal but high normal. Its a personal choice. 

[robblok]

13 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Another important facts I have been told, read, and experienced, you need to change your diet, you need to exercise and stop drinking to much of alchohol! TRT will not improve your life in the long terms if you are not willing to also change lifestyle if you have bad habits. 

Of course you need to change your life a bit too, seems logical to me. How can you have loads of energy if your drinking too much every day. The TRT helps but you need to help yourself too, i got fat (pre TRT) from drinking and eating too much. I was still exercising a lot but it did not help. You can't out-train a bad diet. 

[Hummin]

59 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

Nice informative post..

so ur skin condition usually  improves from trt?

thats what i was hoping  could happen also.

any side effects as feeling very hot and super tight scrotum?

what is the new product u consider to try?

Not any sign to thight scrotum, act as normal. 

 

No other side effects at all, exept I am not on any medication for depression which my doctors in my homecountry wanted me to start using! Medication that <deleted>,,ks up your hormones, and make your life worse if the only reason you are depressive is low T. 

 

Im not saying SSRI are bad for those who need it, and T is not solution for psycotic ilnesses, struggle and depression, and can make it worse, alot worse. 

 

I have two years experience with T now. 

 

 

 

This is a useful reading to start with

https://www.webmd.com/men/guide/testosterone-replacement-therapy-is-it-right-for-you#1-3

 

I have not decided yet, which product will be next, Im still reading clinicle tests about the different types. I still have very good resoults with Nebido, and it is only a cost matter going to Bangkok hospital paying up for regular tests and injection. On the other side do I really want to change something that works so perfect for me, in change for money? I will not administer Nebido myselves, since it is a huge dose, and very thick solution, and so far I never had pain or any other complications so far getting it. The nurses there is very proffessionals. 

Testosteoron products

https://www.drugwatch.com/testosterone/supplements/

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[Hummin]

Double post

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[mokwit]

30 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Not any sign to thight scrotum, act as normal. 

 

No other side effects at all, exept I am not on any medication for depression which my doctors in my homecountry wanted me to start using! Medication that <deleted>,,ks up your hormones, and make your life worse if the only reason you are depressive is low T. 

 

Im not saying SSRI are bad for those who need it, and T is not solution for psycotic ilnesses, struggle and depression, and can make it worse, alot worse. 

 

I have two years experience with T now. 

 

 

 

This is a useful reading to start with

https://www.webmd.com/men/guide/testosterone-replacement-therapy-is-it-right-for-you#1-3

 

I have not decided yet, which product will be next, Im still reading clinicle tests about the different types. I still have very good resoults with Nebido, and it is only a cost matter going to Bangkok hospital paying up for regular tests and injection. On the other side do I really want to change something that works so perfect for me, in change for money? I will not administer Nebido myselves, since it is a huge dose, and very thick solution, and so far I never had pain or any other complications so far getting it. The nurses there is very proffessionals. 

Testosteoron products

https://www.drugwatch.com/testosterone/supplements/

Info on results with different TRT options in pdf below  - UK TRT Doctor with results based on client base

 

- I must say if you were restored back to your '30's, from my research that represents a 1 in 10 result (2 endocrinologists give this number) - with either injections or gels 86% have given up on TRT after 1 year.

https://www.nebido.com/en/hcp/research/testosterone-research/adherence-to-testosterone-therapy-short-term-treatment-is-not-sufficient-for-achievement-of-maximal-benefits.php?gtm-nav=Adherence%20to%20testosterone%20therapy

 

 

CarruthersProvironUKAndrogen study.pdf

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[Hummin]

@mokwit

 

disclaimer, I feel like 35 again!

 

I exorcise quite alot, sleep good, eat well,  little alcohole and as little sugar as possible. 

 

I also want to point out there is no shortcuts coming to feel well and be well even you take such a strong supplement. If you want resoults you need to be willing to work for it also! Educate yourselves and do everything within reasonable limits! 

 

Im sure many abuse trt as well as any other thing possible to abuse.

[Destiny1990]

12 minutes ago, Hummin said:

@mokwit

 

disclaimer, I feel like 35 again!

 

I exorcise quite alot, sleep good, eat well,  little alcohole and as little sugar as possible. 

 

I also want to point out there is no shortcuts coming to feel well and be well even you take such a strong supplement. If you want resoults you need to be willing to work for it also! Educate yourselves and do everything within reasonable limits! 

 

Im sure many abuse trt as well as any other thing possible to abuse.

About what are ur monthly expenses for nebido based on that an injection lasts 12 weeks?

[Hummin]

it will be 1 000 a week if you do blood checks and injection every 12 weeeks at Bangkok Hospital. 

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[Destiny1990]

21 minutes ago, Hummin said:

it will be 1 000 a week if you do blood checks and injection every 12 weeeks at Bangkok Hospital. 

That’s reasonable price.

so before wen u first started u did a blood test and what was the outcome? Was ur T level under the minimum allowance for ur age or? What made u decide to raise ur T levels?

[Hummin]

31 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

That’s reasonable price.

so before wen u first started u did a blood test and what was the outcome? Was ur T level under the minimum allowance for ur age or? What made u decide to raise ur T levels?

The doctors told me I was in a depressive state, and wanted to put me on Lamictal or Lithium, and SSRI. I did my homework, saw I had been vitamin D defficient for years, and my testosteoron values, was like a 65 year old man, when I was 47. 

 

I had gained weight the last few years, lost interest in life, dead tired after work, only sleep trough the evening and night, and I was used to be very active before my lifecrises came along with my back problem! so during the years, I moved less, eat worse, drink more, eat more sugar, and the end resoult was less sex, and at the very end no more morning erection, and sexual dysfunction where I failed having sex with women, and then isolated myselves more and more! 

 

I got shocked when the doctor wanted to treat me with that kind of medication, and as I said, I educated myselves on depression, and other possible psychic diagnoses, before I started on Andriol testocaps 120 mg 3 weeks, and maintenance dose of 80 mg of week for another two months. I had great progress during this time. Start exorcise, smiling again, eat well, sleep better, and the rest i history. I then contacted the anti age center, and from there to now, everything have been under their supervision. I have had my best years in life since then, and I hope I can maintain this for a long long time now. 

 

I could have worsen my situation with heavy medication based on doctors wrong decission. Vitamin D is one of the most important ingridents for a happy life, and also being in balance with many other vitamins and minerals of course. 

 

Remember this is my personal story, and many can feel they have or had the same issues, and maybe I just have been lucky to be stubborn and finding my way. TRT is maybe not the solution for everybody and the right treatment for everyone. One thing I do not trust, is doctors who is no specialist in what they try to treath people for and with. Im not sure it is raight said, but I try. 

 

Being defficient of essential important ingridients for your well being, can start a chainreaction in your body, as well your diet and lifestyle. Sometimes these things cooperate and make things worse. 

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[mokwit]

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

@mokwit

 

disclaimer, I feel like 35 again!

 

I exorcise quite alot, sleep good, eat well,  little alcohole and as little sugar as possible. 

 

I also want to point out there is no shortcuts coming to feel well and be well even you take such a strong supplement. If you want resoults you need to be willing to work for it also! Educate yourselves and do everything within reasonable limits! 

 

Im sure many abuse trt as well as any other thing possible to abuse.

Quick Q - Do you think you might have had Low T levels all your life? How many years back from 47 was everything OK?

[Hummin]

10 minutes ago, mokwit said:

Quick Q - Do you think you might have had Low T levels all your life? How many years back from 47 was everything OK?

I can trace vitamin d back 20 years, but at 47 was my first T check. I believe from 36 I started on my low T because of back problems, lack of activity and vitamin D. Before that I exploded in energy everytime I travelled to sun, or we had summer back home, and during the fall and winter less energy, but still enough to be active and happy. 

 

Many factors leads to depression and low T, and what comes first is hard to know for most, but for me, it was back problems and inactivity. It is my best guess. 

[Destiny1990]

27 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The doctors told me I was in a depressive state, and wanted to put me on Lamictal or Lithium, and SSRI. I did my homework, saw I had been vitamin D defficient for years, and my testosteoron values, was like a 65 year old man, when I was 47. 

 

I had gained weight the last few years, lost interest in life, dead tired after work, only sleep trough the evening and night, and I was used to be very active before my lifecrises came along with my back problem! so during the years, I moved less, eat worse, drink more, eat more sugar, and the end resoult was less sex, and at the very end no more morning erection, and sexual dysfunction where I failed having sex with women, and then isolated myselves more and more! 

 

I got shocked when the doctor wanted to treat me with that kind of medication, and as I said, I educated myselves on depression, and other possible psychic diagnoses, before I started on Andriol testocaps 120 mg 3 weeks, and maintenance dose of 80 mg of week for another two months. I had great progress during this time. Start exorcise, smiling again, eat well, sleep better, and the rest i history. I then contacted the anti age center, and from there to now, everything have been under their supervision. I have had my best years in life since then, and I hope I can maintain this for a long long time now. 

 

I could have worsen my situation with heavy medication based on doctors wrong decission. Vitamin D is one of the most important ingridents for a happy life, and also being in balance with many other vitamins and minerals of course. 

 

Remember this is my personal story, and many can feel they have or had the same issues, and maybe I just have been lucky to be stubborn and finding my way. TRT is maybe not the solution for everybody and the right treatment for everyone. One thing I do not trust, is doctors who is no specialist in what they try to treath people for and with. Im not sure it is raight said, but I try. 

 

Being defficient of essential important ingridients for your well being, can start a chainreaction in your body, as well your diet and lifestyle. Sometimes these things cooperate and make things worse. 

Ur back problem did it improve during trt? I think many back problems starting exactly because of low T levels..

[Hummin]

Just now, Destiny1990 said:

Ur back problem did it improve during trt? I think many back problems starting exactly because of low T levels..

Yes, my back problem is not an issue anymore! 

 

Back problems is also a stress related syndrom, so again, what comes first? 

[mokwit]

Just now, Destiny1990 said:

Ur back problem did it improve during trt? I think many back problems starting exactly because of low T levels..

Genuine back problems or lower "back" pain from enlarged prostate with age? Lower Test:Oestrogen ratio is believed by some to be the cause of prostate enlargement.  DHT is the conventional wisdom culprit and it DOES stimulate prostate growth in puberty but some (myself included) question if it the cause in older age. I have been taking a DHT analog Proviron [mesterolone] for 5 years and find that I hardly ever need to get up in the night, whereas before it was common.