My local bikers haunt (cafe) in Horum, Sussex was called ‘Ogri’s’ but they made them change their name to ‘Westons’. Hasn’t got the same ‘ring’ to it, but at least it still exists!!!


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1 hour ago, Justgrazing said:

Yes sorry that photo doesn't show it that well .. Here's another with all the exhaust valve lobes in red and inlet blue .. 

AH , thank you. I was trying to figure out the valve tract layout. So all 6 exhaust ports exit the front engine face. The rear bank of ports being directed through the front bank cylinder head. Hence , only room for one exhaust valve per cylinder. Easier "packaging" with no exhaust pipes exiting the rear of the engine. High quality bike.

On 2/3/2019 at 10:12 PM, ballpoint said:

And one for the sidecar enthusiast, a 1956 Panther Model 100 598cc with Busmar Astral sidecar:

 

 

 

A look at that Pather and sidecar, reminds me of my Granddad and his BSA 500 cc Slopper and sidecar, made in the late 1920s, he was always talking about it, I think he even went on his honeymoon on it.

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7 minutes ago, ktm jeff said:

AH , thank you. I was trying to figure out the valve tract layout. So all 6 exhaust ports exit the front engine face. The rear bank of ports being directed through the front bank cylinder head. Hence , only room for one exhaust valve per cylinder. Easier "packaging" with no exhaust pipes exiting the rear of the engine. High quality bike.

Made my head hurt reading your description and studying that pic....

 

Here's something more up my street....

One piston, 2 valves, bish bosh........

I'll have the one for 11 quid & 10 Shillings please....

 

HE HE , spotted the Montesa. I can smell Gilberts workshop from just the photo. Propper shop.  Guess he aint a member of this bloody "snowflake" generation.

The mechanic in Hang Dong has a "VEE" block , DTI gauge and copper mallet for truing cranks.  Not many can do that.

27 minutes ago, ktm jeff said:

AH , thank you. I was trying to figure out the valve tract layout. So all 6 exhaust ports exit the front engine face. The rear bank of ports being directed through the front bank cylinder head. Hence , only room for one exhaust valve per cylinder. Easier "packaging" with no exhaust pipes exiting the rear of the engine. High quality bike.

Yes .. That's essentially how the  head is configured .. The 3 ex valves furthest away from the front face have a waisted tract that is longer than the ( straighter ) tracts for the valves at the front of the head and vice versa the inlet valves of the front 3 cyls have longer runs than the valves of the 3 cyls at the back where the intake manifold attaches .. 

This configuration has been well tried by VW in 5 , 6 and 12 cylinder configurations ( W12 Bentley engine ) for 25 yrs now .. 

Supercharged version of this bike is said to shunt out 200 bhp with torque to match and is a serious bit of kit admittedly with a price tag to match .. Love the Gatling gun style 3 pipe silencer .. 

 

Pistons of Horex V6 lump ..

Super colour scheme on the top bike .. 

Nothing special about the black bike apart from being understated and 'kin cool ..

Super shiny Triton ..

 

23 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Back in the day we used to offset bore a 1200 cc four cyl. car engine and fit Hillman Imp pistons to get 1350 still in a car. You just don't have to win too often!!

The glories of the past are well recorded here; let’s mix in some of the future’s promise:

 

https://silodrome.com/top-18-motorcycles-of-2018/amp/

 

2019 Ducati Diavel.

3 hours ago, phetphet said:

2019 Ducati Diavel.

Is that the new electric bike from Ducati or the latest 1200cc Diavel with pistons going up & down and valves opening & closing and stuff going bang every 4 revolutions?

Like, is there an engine in there?

Somewhere?

I can't quite make it out....

2019 Ducati Diavel.

I haven't driven the Diavel. But I would take all black over this gray black look.

I did drive the 1260 Multistrada and did not like it VS the 1198. The engine specs have improved from the 1198 to the 1260. A lot. The 1260 has more power at lower revs, and does not feel like it could cut out at any time when idling. It's a much better tuned engine.

The 1260 is only a couple inches longer, but a lot harder to drive around town than the 1198. That's not the way a Multistrata should drive. Maybe Diavel drivers don't care about maneuverability that much.

I was testing the 1260 in Udon Thani on a Sunday. A traffic jammed nightmare for 15 km getting out of the city. Very nervous driving another blokes bike! At the end of the day, I don't think either of us would have traded for the other's bike.

Im going to suggest it has an ICE rather then a EM , due to the exhausts. The very heart of a bike is its ICE engine. 

Pair of cooled out XV Yam's ..

And a Very Mad Max .. 

 

11 hours ago, ktm jeff said:

Im going to suggest it has an ICE rather then a EM , due to the exhausts. The very heart of a bike is its ICE engine. 

Just joshin' dude, just joshin'....

 

I think this one's got a real engine...

I can just make stuff out amongst the mess of liquid cooled horribleness...

 

Unlike the clean, uncluttered lines of an air cooled version...

 

5 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

air of cooled out XV Yam's .. 

And a Very Mad Max .. 

Very very nice - all 3.

The V Max is a Yam Yard Built project, ie corporate sponsored by Yamaha, i think 3 were built inc a stunner from Roland Sands.

This one is from a German bike builder (JVB i think?).

Note in the background - the world's greatest ever m/c jacket - The Belstaff or Barbour Waxed Cotton Jacket.

From an era when EVERY motorcyclist had black fingernails - except BMW owners.

Love it! Had one. Loved it!

Guilty, yer Honour (about jacket/finger nails). Dad bought it for me (ex-WW11 despatch rider).


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I had a pipe like that on my Cagiva 650. Except black. Termignoni (even spelt it correctly without looking!)

Another guy had similar on a 900SS.

 

We had a contest one day at the Tuesday coffee shop meetup to see whose was loudest. Result? A tie. His was deeper and booming, mine was crisper and like a higher frequency.  It was an urban street so I probably got through more gears in the same distance!

 

 

 

 

On 2/5/2019 at 8:47 AM, thaiguzzi said:

Tells me everything about you, that you've only just watched a film made in 1953, and that was banned in the UK until the late 60's.

Commenting in the motorcycle sub forum.

With nothing but snarky one liners.

Yes, even 30 years ago it was a corny movie.

In 1953 it was shock & horror.

And it scared the mainstream. The squares.

It is indeed a cult movie.

It is based on a true event in Hollister, California in 1947.

I doubt you've heard of that either.

Cut a long story short, Hollister (and the AMA's reply) was basically the start of the back patch & 1%er scene.

 

That is why this movie was so important.

As for Brando (who was huge at the time), uttering that immortal line "whatya got?" after being asked the question "hey Johnny, whatya rebelling against?".

Classic. Just classic.

 

 

Just because something was a fad, does not mean that is important or significant.

 

Fidgets were huge last year.

 

And, if this movie marks the start of bike gangs and their colors, the end point of that development is the blanket banning of these groups in many countries, Australia is one relevant example, to help fight against the proliferation of meth amphetamine.

 

Have you ever lived in America?

 

Oh. And for what it is worth, I have had bikes my whole life and organised a number of events to raise money for pediatric hospital wards. The last one I put together raised $147,000 for much need new equipment.

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Khaeng Mak said:

And, if this movie marks the start of bike gangs and their colors,

 

 

@VocalNeal - Gary Glitter? POTY can do better than that in his own forum.

The Wild One did not start MCs, or depict an event which started 1% MCs. That doesn't mean it's not cool and influential to those from that era. Just like Wall Street.

I grew up in CA in the 70s (a young man here), and am clearly not a proper gear head like most here.

But I do know from my elders that the Hells Angels were founded by shell shocked WWII vets that needed an outlet and a safety net. They have clearly been 1% from the start, though.

Gear heads don't focus on how tight the Angels were with the hippies. They hit it off not only because they had similar ethos, but also because the Angels supplied the drugs that fueled the Hippie movement.

My suspicion is that the Flying Tigers had a stronger connection to the Angels than its official history admits.

Heroin had been coming into the United States in waves since the late 1800s, but saw a resurgence right after WWII. The Flying Tigers in Southern CA would be the right group to make that happen, and the second war gave them the cover to do it.

I believe the Hells Angels (as compared to all the other MCs which sprouted after WWII) grew in an organized manner across CA, because they were moving heroin and other drugs. That was their bread and butter in the 50s, and then business and membership boomed in the 60s with the Hippies.

 
Just because something was a fad, does not mean that is important or significant.
 
Fidgets were huge last year.
 
And, if this movie marks the start of bike gangs and their colors, the end point of that development is the blanket banning of these groups in many countries, Australia is one relevant example, to help fight against the proliferation of meth amphetamine.
 
Have you ever lived in America?
 
Oh. And for what it is worth, I have had bikes my whole life and organised a number of events to raise money for pediatric hospital wards. The last one I put together raised $147,000 for much need new equipment.
 
 
 

32 minutes ago, Khaeng Mak said:

And, if this movie marks the start of bike gangs and their colors,

Again, you misunderstand.
And that is putting it mildly.

The event in 47 the movie replicated was the start of the back patch scene as we have come to know it.

Not the movie itself.

34 minutes ago, Khaeng Mak said:

the blanket banning of these groups in many countries, Australia is one relevant example,

Blanket ban has not happened in all of Australia. Yet. Thankfully.

Do keep up.

36 minutes ago, Khaeng Mak said:

to help fight against the proliferation of meth amphetamine.

Oh, give it a rest will ya with your bullshIt media spiel.

36 minutes ago, Khaeng Mak said:

ave you ever lived in America?

No. Never.

Not on my bucket list.

Your point being?

38 minutes ago, Khaeng Mak said:

and organised a number of events to raise money for pediatric hospital wards. The last one I put together raised $147,000 for much need new equipment.

Point being again?

So have 1% back patch clubs.

And more besides.

 

Back on topic, as i don't want this wonderful thread degenerating into biker politics and me fighting the corner against  the media hysteria crap about outlaw m/c clubs.

And the people who believe all those sensationalist lies.

Again.

5 minutes ago, SuperTed said:

I believe the Hells Angels (as compared to all the other MCs which sprouted after WWII) grew in an organized manner across CA, because they were moving heroin and other drugs. That was their bread and butter in the 50s, and then business and membership boomed in the 60s with the Hippies.

Incorrect.

The 50's they were just a bunch of hard drinking, hard riding, hard partying guys who loved bikes and the camaradie.

With very little organization.

And virtually no dope dealing.

The 60's was more of the same, but more organized. By the late 60's "some" members, not the club as a whole, realized money could be made selling drugs.

The 70's was more of the same, but even more organized.

The 60's-80's were the highpoint of m/c clubs, possibly into the early 90's before the State, and governments and Feds finally brought everything under control.

And the world changed too, and along with vikings, pirates, the wild west & cowboys etc, IMHO the outlaw m/c club has had it's day in the 21st century.

Unfortunately.

The actual membership boom you mentioned, especially in America & Australia happened in the 70's and was solely due to the Vietnam War.

Every state had a plethora of new clubs starting and existing membership explosion due to the Vietnam war and young kids returning still wanting their adrenalin fix.

 

Believe me, on this particular subject i know what i am talking about...

There is no heresay.

No maybe, probably, possibly.

Just facts and on-hand experience and decades of close up knowledge.

 

 

Again, back on topic. Please.

 

 

 

 

 

17 hours ago, SuperTed said:

Fugly

To me this bike looks like they raided the kitchen cupboards, found all the Tupperware, Spray painted it black, and stuck it all over the bike.

Guess my distaste for opposed BMW's is showing ...

2 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

Fugly

To me this bike looks like they raided the kitchen cupboards, found all the Tupperware, Spray painted it black, and stuck it all over the bike.

Guess my distaste for opposed BMW's is showing ...

So, er, Beemers are not your cup of tea then?

 

For a modern one, i don't dislike it personally.

But as with all these modern "scramblers", it'll never get used off road where it's far too heavy & cumbersome anyhow.

And on the road, the handling has gone down the pan anyway with those tyres.

So really, what is the point, except they look good parked up on their sidestands?

Re - Beemers - always liked the older pre FI airheads, 60-70-80's, make a decent bike once the factory plastics, and stock awful brakes are binned.

Just me I guess ...

In my Kawa 90 days a guy down the block had a R60 I think. This would have been mid 60's

While I appreciate the engineering - I can't get my head around the looks.

 

Not so bad?

 

2 hours ago, SuperTed said:

I believe the Hells Angels (as compared to all the other MCs which sprouted after WWII) grew in an organized manner across CA, because they were moving heroin and other drugs. That was their bread and butter in the 50s, and then business and membership boomed in the 60s with the Hippies.

Could be.

The CIA has been in the middle of drug trafficking since its inception in 1947.

Heroin/Afganistan.

French connection.

Cocaine with Bill Clinton in Arkansas.

George Bush Sr.    Ollie North

&c.