holy cow cm Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, Easy Come Easy Go said: I'm going to voice my opinion here, I think it's a valid point nobody is mentioning. The adult of the group, the leader. Surely he is accountable for those kids. If you had a kid that went with him, your son, and that son was stuck in a cave for the duration and could possibly die, wouldn't you hold him accountable? On top of that, someone has died because of this, not to mention the monetary cost. I dunno, I don't see why people aren't looking at him in all of this, he was the only adult and thus the guardian of the kids. If I had a kid in this situation, after literally losing days of sleep wondering the heck that son was, fearing the worse, I would be majorly pi55ed at the adult in the situation, that's for sure The kids are lucky to have such a good mentor. He was having fun with them and was obviously not using judgement. Very typical here and he has to live with that. I would be emotionally upset and mad and sad and angry, but end of the day he deserves a break. I have kids so I can surmise how it feels. I watched my son break his arm into a u bend a year ago during a street ball competition. 3 br surgery after. Painful. I could have chased it farther to the organizers as they had picked a bad place with a bad slippery court, but I left it alone as it was meant in good spirit. Pray they all get out and see mentally fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, Easy Come Easy Go said: dunno, I don't see why people aren't looking at him in all of this, he was the only adult and thus the guardian of the kids. This is not the U.S where you put blame and sue people for millions. This is Thailand. In the Thai mindset the coach is a hero for keeping calm and protect the kids in the cave for 10 days. They went into the cave in June, a cave they had visited several times before and did not expect the heavy rainfall , nobody to blame here except the weather Gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Weather forecast not to bad. http://www.yr.no/place/Thailand/Chiang_Rai/Mae_Chan/hour_by_hour_detailed.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBW Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 17 minutes ago, Easy Come Easy Go said: I'm going to voice my opinion here, I think it's a valid point nobody is mentioning. The adult of the group, the leader. Surely he is accountable for those kids. If you had a kid that went with him, your son, and that son was stuck in a cave for the duration and could possibly die, wouldn't you hold him accountable? On top of that, someone has died because of this, not to mention the monetary cost. I dunno, I don't see why people aren't looking at him in all of this, he was the only adult and thus the guardian of the kids. If I had a kid in this situation, after literally losing days of sleep wondering the heck that son was, fearing the worse, I would be majorly pi55ed at the adult in the situation, that's for sure Try a different thread for your negativity nit wit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyFriend You Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 3 hours ago, ExpatDraco said: He's the one responsible for this mess... He made it rain. Jesus??? Because the farmers asked him to make it rain.........now they want compensation for the rice they lost when they pumped out the cave........can;'t please all the people all the time can we?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenslegs Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, Russell17au said: The doctor that went in to assess the boy's fitness is an Australian doctor and not just a dive medicine specialist. They brought out the weakest first so that they could get quicker medical treatment. One of the first boys out was declared a "code red" for medical treatment. As I understand it, An RTN doctor, an RTN nurse, and 7 RTN SEALs have been in the cavern with the kids since 3 July. https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/thai-cave-rescue-a-medical-team-to-take-care-of-trapped-footballers-round-the-clock The Aussie doctor is more of a specialist, as well as a cave diver, and went in yesterday to assess the kids for an attempted dive out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, TunnelRat69 said: Jesus??? Because the farmers asked him to make it rain.........now they want compensation for the rice they lost when they pumped out the cave........can;'t please all the people all the time can we?? Rice. 13 kids lives. Priorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebo Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I wonder --- the boys already rescued are of the older ones, 14 yo. And they should be the weakest ones? Don't really believe it ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b17 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I've just heard that it is pouring down in buckets in Mae Sai right now. Has anyone heard a rumour that some Dutch super high performance pumps have been delivered to the caves? As you might imagine, they are reputed to be able to pump out astonishing volumes of water in a very short space of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I know this probably isn't the time and the place, but 2 weeks ago when I saw the headline '12 boys trapped in a cave with their coach' I thought coach meant a bus. That they'd driven their bus into the cave and got trapped somehow. It took me a while to work out the coach part. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenslegs Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, rebo said: I wonder --- the boys already rescued are of the older ones, 14 yo. And they should be the weakest ones? Don't really believe it ... I don't know why you wouldn't believe it. Of course, the doctors might include mental strength in their assessment. There have been reports that the Assistant Coach is in a poor state of health - I'm just guessing but it would not surprise me if he has asked to be last out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 38 minutes ago, GBW said: I think from the start it was a agreed that all of the boys extracted would have their identity/names suppressed due to the media barrage that could and would unfold, not only to the immediate family, but to all related, friends etc ... This is why a blanket on media has been enforced at the cave and from CR Army base to the CR hospital. I think it was a good call. Imagine having cameras and people shoved in your face asking how happy you are that your son/friend/acquaintance has been miraculously saved and your only thoughts, over sleepless nights, are for all, including rescuers to have the same positive outcome. Lets get em all out, we can talk names, dates etc etc later. But their names haven't been suppressed. Nor the names of their schools. Their correspondence with their parents has been open to the public. And the identity of the first two has been revealed. Won't take long for the media to put two and two together or 4 and 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 The youngest one , the 11 year old is also out from what I've read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell17au Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, rebo said: I wonder --- the boys already rescued are of the older ones, 14 yo. And they should be the weakest ones? Don't really believe it ... 1 of the boys is 14 yo but there is no mention to the ages of the other boys so maybe the other 3 are younger. There has been no report of the ages but there has been a report of a "code red" of one of the boys rescued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamyai3 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, rebo said: I wonder --- the boys already rescued are of the older ones, 14 yo. And they should be the weakest ones? Don't really believe it ... Weakest in this sense takes into account those assessed to be in the most precarious health condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBW Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, Wilsonandson said: I know this probably isn't the time and the place, but 2 weeks ago when I saw the headline '12 boys trapped in a cave with their coach' I thought coach meant a bus. That they'd driven their bus into the cave and got trapped somehow. It took me a while to work out the coach part. Just saying. No it ïsnt the time the time for your ignorance". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Wilsonandson said: The big question now is which 4 boys got rescued and who is still in the cave? Why is that even a question? The boys are all equal, so it doesn't matter who is out and who is still in. I did see one report that suggested the weakest will come out first, so that would be extra good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 44 minutes ago, Easy Come Easy Go said: I'm going to voice my opinion here, I think it's a valid point nobody is mentioning. The adult of the group, the leader. Surely he is accountable for those kids. If you had a kid that went with him, your son, and that son was stuck in a cave for the duration and could possibly die, wouldn't you hold him accountable? On top of that, someone has died because of this, not to mention the monetary cost. I dunno, I don't see why people aren't looking at him in all of this, he was the only adult and thus the guardian of the kids. If I had a kid in this situation, after literally losing days of sleep wondering the heck that son was, fearing the worse, I would be majorly pi55ed at the adult in the situation, that's for sure Supposedly on past visits to the caves some of the boys have concealed their activities from their parents. So you may have a point. Anyway all will be revealed in time. If these cave visits have been done in secret, I wouldn't be too happy, but it is kind of unfair to lay any blame at this stage when the guy can't defend himself. Judged by western standards where there would be consent forms to be signed and other safety factors to be accounted for, his actions would be regarded as reckless. But this is Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Quote What we know so far Four of the boys have been rescued from the cave in Chiang Rai province, with nine people still trapped underground All four boys safely reached a hospital in Chiang Rai, the nearest major city The operation is slated to resume at around 8am local time with officials and volunteers buoyed by the success of their chosen method insofar The remaining eight boys and their coach remain at the original location underground near to Pattaya beach The divers turned and hugged the boys, who wore full-face scuba masks, after completing the 3.2km journey through the muddy, jagged cave Rain on Saturday evening and throughout Sunday was thought to be the catalyst for the rescue operation but appears not to have significantly slowed its progress The operation proceeded much faster than expected due to the walkable water level in the cave after it was launched at 10am local time on Sunday 13 foreign divers and five Thai navy SEALs made up the rescue team and were among a team of 90 divers involved in the rescue effort overall https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/jul/08/thailand-cave-rescue-operation-divers-trapped-boys-live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, GBW said: No it ïsnt the time the time for your ignorance". A bit of light humour doesn't exactly go against the spirit of the thread. Give him a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 4 hours ago, DNPBC0 said: Hold on, guys. I very much hope it's true, but let's wait for some official confirmation Arai wa? Prayut has spoken and so has Trump. BELIEVE IN THEM! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoho Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 1 minute ago, tomazbodner said: Ah yes, Trump has spoken... well, Tweeted. And responses to it are not kind... That's a shame... 1 minute ago, tomazbodner said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champers Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 35 minutes ago, balo said: This is not the U.S where you put blame and sue people for millions. This is Thailand. In the Thai mindset the coach is a hero for keeping calm and protect the kids in the cave for 10 days. They went into the cave in June, a cave they had visited several times before and did not expect the heavy rainfall , nobody to blame here except the weather Gods. If the cave was closed from July 1st and the group went in a week before when it was still open, no-one should be picked out for blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b17 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 47 minutes ago, cyberfarang said: The difference between this event and many others is that what`s taking place here is a miracle. I personally thought at first those kids had no chance and that it would take Superman to get them out of that cave. This will go down in history as one of the greatest achievements involving an international effort. This has struck the hearts of people worldwide and not only that, the devotion, determination and shear efforts involved, going right to the top, plus the unity this has brought between not only the Thais but also between nations, makes this rescue operation unique and stand way above all the rest. Very well said. Here here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 1 minute ago, tomazbodner said: Ah yes, Trump has spoken... well, Tweeted. And responses to it are not kind... How many of the divers are American? I have only really heard a lot about the Australian and English divers. Trust Trump to try and take the credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, Spock said: Supposedly on past visits to the caves some of the boys have concealed their activities from their parents. So you may have a point. Anyway all will be revealed in time. If these cave visits have been done in secret, I wouldn't be too happy, but it is kind of unfair to lay any blame at this stage when the guy can't defend himself. Judged by western standards where there would be consent forms to be signed and other safety factors to be accounted for, his actions would be regarded as reckless. But this is Thailand. @easycomeeasygo ....please read the previous comments on this point, from TV folks and from the parents en masse who are not blaming or judging the coach. Nobody knows the real circumstances so please don't jump to textbook comments. This is Thailand, what happens in other countries (consent forms etc) is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Matichon online. First video of the rescue. Posted at 10.16pm. It's in Thai so can't post the link. I'll post it seperately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 1 minute ago, scorecard said: @easycomeeasygo ....please read the previous comments on this point, from TV folks and from the parents en masse who are not blaming or judging the coach. Nobody knows the real circumstances so please don't jump to textbook comments. This is Thailand, what happens in other countries (consent forms etc) is irrelevant. Perhaps you should re-read my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Matichon online - https://www.matichon.co.th/region/news_1034890 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnniey Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 39 minutes ago, GBW said: Try a different thread for your negativity nit wit. Some people here only read the breaking news threads. I have never seen any other threads regarding who was to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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