UK's new Brexit envoy optimistic, as EU warns of Brexit crash

[Dumbastheycome]

6 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

They deserve it

Not  really.  The  voters  were  deceived.

 

[Guest]

41 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

And block EU planes flying to the USA.

Enough with the Norway and Canada options, let's do the China option.

Sounds like you wish to go for the Russia option.

[dunroaming]

4 hours ago, vogie said:

Barnier may hold all the cards (your words) but if they refuse to play them, it makes a rubbish game. The EU are totally intransigent, they will not negotiate, do we just roll over and submit to any demands they throw at us. Barnier is playing a very dangerous game, this may hurt the UK for a while but I'm damn sure the EU will not walk away unscathed either.

Not sure what you mean about "refuse to play them".  They have laid their cards down face up while Britain are still clutching their cards close to their chest.

 

You are right that the EU will not walk away unscathed by Brexit.  They said that from day one, along with the fact that they do not want Britain to leave the EU at all.  It was the UK who said they wanted to leave and it was the UK who thought that they could cut a good deal.  They couldn't and the EU made that clear from the start.  Why would they when their plan was to get the UK to change their mind.

 

There were plenty of posters here who claimed that the EU needed us more than we needed them.  I doubt they are saying that now, given the hard line the EU are taking.

 

I am listening to Barnier giving a press conference live now.  He is re-iterating again that as far as the EU are concerned they are not that far apart in agreement from the White paper.  He is saying about 20% is the difference.  He also said that the white paper raised "a hell of a lot of questions".  However it is a base to work on. But they still have to prepare themselves for a "No Deal"  scenario. 

 

With May saying in her Belfast speech that the EU's proposed "backstop" was not acceptable it was a step backwards.  This has still got some way to run although, because the British government cannot agree on what they are actually negotiating, it is hard to see where it is heading.

 

 

[BritManToo]

11 hours ago, dunroaming said:

There were plenty of posters here who claimed that the EU needed us more than we needed them.  I doubt they are saying that now, given the hard line the EU are taking.

More remainer madness, why do you keep proclaiming we have changed our minds?

I predict the EU will collapse in 5 years without the UK paying money in.

That's how much they need us.

[whatsupdoc]

13 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

More remainer madness, why do you keep proclaiming we have changed our minds?

I predict the EU will collapse in 5 years without the UK paying money in.

That's how much they need us.

Delusion.

Barnier has rejected the Chequers white paper and for obvious and good reasons:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/20/france-minister-nathalie-loiseau-brexit-concessions-theresa-may-commons

 

That is how much the EU needs the UK.....

[sammieuk1]

Before the referendum Boris and Gove both stated we will end up with a better EU deal out than the current in one is this it?

[BritManToo]

33 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

Delusion.

Barnier has rejected the Chequers white paper and for obvious and good reasons:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/20/france-minister-nathalie-loiseau-brexit-concessions-theresa-may-commons

 

That is how much the EU needs the UK.....

Don't understand why any deal is needed, anything the UK can't make or grow itself can be purchased cheaper from Asia or America.

And if it can't, then learn to live without it. It's time to take our independence back.

And for those that don't like it, move out or be hanged as traitors.

I have no need to read any foreign enemy propaganda.

Edited July 21, 2018 by BritManToo

[vogie]

40 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

Before the referendum Boris and Gove both stated we will end up with a better EU deal out than the current in one is this it?

No this is not it, nothings agreed till everythings agreed, and Barnier wouldn't agree that Sunday followed Saturday.

 

[Kwasaki]

14 hours ago, BritManToo said:

And block EU planes flying to the USA.

Enough with the Norway and Canada options, let's do the China option.

Yeah it's just totally political wish the Queen could take over ? .

USA can do what it wants then why can't the UK.

[Kwasaki]

13 hours ago, dunroaming said:

They said that from day one, along with the fact that they do not want Britain to leave the EU at all. 

It was the UK who said they wanted to leave and it was the UK who thought that they could cut a good deal.

EU wants us to stay, UK voted for out, so why do they not respect that us let us out of there clutches, blackmail threats I think and a Brussels mafia collusion just want us to stay and help pay towards most of the 27 in the spongers club when the EU Collapses.

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

No this is not it, nothings agreed till everythings agreed, and Barnier wouldn't agree that Sunday followed Saturday.

 

Yes he wouldn't agree with President de Gaulle who has been proved right.

[steve73]

This a quite a long read so I don't expect many here (either for or against Brexit) will bother... but IMO it's worth the effort...

 

https://masterinvestor.co.uk/economics/brexit-the-tipping-point/

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Don't understand why any deal is needed, anything the UK can't make or grow itself can be purchased cheaper from Asia or America.

And if it can't, then learn to live without it. It's time to take our independence back.

And for those that don't like it, move out or be hanged as traitors.

I have no need to read any foreign enemy propaganda.

The true colors of a Brexit Zealot.

 

Those who disagree with him should be exiled or hanged as traitors.

 

Exile - ended with Magna Carta.

Holding differing opininions on what is best for the nation is not treason, it’s a sign of the plurality necessary for a healthy democracy.

 

Know Brexit Zealots for what they are, enemies of democracy.

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Know Brexit Zealots for what they are, enemies of democracy.

 

And yet, if the remain vote had won, I wouldn't be asking for a new vote.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

And yet, if the remain vote had won, I wouldn't be asking for a new vote.

 

You’re tossing around accusations of treason and demands for exiling those who disagree with you.

 

I’m not sure I’ll believe your assertion you wouldn’t want another vote.

[vogie]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You’re tossing around accusations of treason and demands for exiling those who disagree with you.

 

I’m not sure I’ll believe your assertion you wouldn’t want another vote.

Chomper, I wouldn't take throw away remarks as gospel, it was only last week one of your remainer friends wanted to gaol all brexiteers, .

[tomacht8]

If the UK is so divided and incapable of deciding parliamentarily what kind of Brexit they really want, they can not be so stupid as to reach a compromise here, that will extend the withdrawal date sufficiently, to clear first there own mess. 

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You’re tossing around accusations of treason and demands for exiling those who disagree with you.

 

And you're the one claiming those who didn't vote your way are either stupid, deceived, misinformed, bigots or have changed their minds since then.

Edited July 21, 2018 by BritManToo

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

that will extend the withdrawal date sufficiently, to clear first there own mess. 

 

Why not delay the withdrawal date to 100 years hence.

But let's face it, it still wouldn't be long enough to clear a mess the remainers and the EU have conspired to create.

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Know Brexit Zealots for what they are, enemies of democracy.

How do you work that one out in your favour, so the election result you obviously didn't like was undemocratic then. ? 

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

But let's face it, it still wouldn't be long enough to clear a mess the remainers and the EU have conspired to create.

It wasn’t “the remainers and the EU” who voted for Brexit. You voted for this; now don’t put the blame on people who warned you before what would happen. 

[bristolboy]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

And yet, if the remain vote had won, I wouldn't be asking for a new vote.

 

But Nigel Farage would have wanted another.e. And somehow I think he was a somewhat more significant figure in the Brexiteer camp than you.

Nigel Farage wants second referendum if Remain campaign scrapes narrow win

 

Nigel Farage warns today he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin next month.

The Ukip leader said a small defeat for his leave camp would be “unfinished business” and predicted pressure would grow for a re-run of the 23 June ballot.

Farage told the Mirror: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017

 

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

It wasn’t “the remainers and the EU” who voted for Brexit. You voted for this; now don’t put the blame on people who warned you before what would happen. 

I'm not sure what blame I deserve, I didn't vote.

But I would vote in a second vote, and that vote would be to leave.

 

I also have a leaving plan, we stop paying the EU money, end of.

No need for any trade deal with the EU, plenty of other countries to trade with.

[Retiredandhappyhere]

23 hours ago, abrahamzvi said:

Utter nonsense. It's the UK Brexitirs who are changing their minds every second week. How can a dealbe reached when there is no certainty that it will be accepted by Westminster?

Well, a deal can be reached SUBJECT to its acceptance by Westminster. and SUBJECT  to its acceptance by the rest of the EU membership.

 

A compromise deal WILL be reached once the bluff and counter-bluff nonsense of "no deal" is over, simply because it is in the best interests of both parties to do so. but the EU always likes to come to an agreement on any major issue at the eleventh hour, as they think that gives them the strongest leverage.  If it is indeed true that the EU ridiculed the UK's Chequer's proposals, then you will watch them gradually changing their tune and eventually negotiate on that basis.  It is obvious that neither the ardent Brexiteers, not the ardent remainers will be completely happy with the eventual outcome, but that is always the case when two sides are fervently opposed to each other's points of view.

 

Despite many comments on here and the remainers' hopes to the contrary, the UK WILL be leaving the EU with a deal and I believe that, having endured many insults concerning her performance , May  will  still be PM and the Tories will win the next election. After a difficult couple of years following Brexit, the UK will prosper.

[Kwasaki]

4 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

It wasn’t “the remainers and the EU” who voted for Brexit. You voted for this; now don’t put the blame on people who warned you before what would happen. 

Oh absolute cobbers you pussy remainers just want to belong to a club that's ganna sink, you are a disgrace to the English people I grew up with that didn't want anything to do with cowardly europe countries with small e..

[Kwasaki]

4 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Nigel Farage wants second referendum if Remain campaign scrapes narrow win

Well he wasn't gonna get it, get real for 'ell sake with your stupid rhetoric.

[bristolboy]

8 hours ago, vogie said:

Chomper, I wouldn't take throw away remarks as gospel, it was only last week one of your remainer friends wanted to gaol all brexiteers, .

I think you should let your buddy speak for himself on that one.

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

I think you should let your buddy speak for himself on that one.

As far as I'm aware it is an open forum and as such I believe I can offer opinions.

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

As far as I'm aware it is an open forum and as such I believe I can offer opinions.

Of course but claims about sincerity or the lack thereof are necessarily suspect unless offered by the party in question.

[vogie]

11 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Of course but claims about sincerity or the lack thereof are necessarily suspect unless offered by the party in question.

Why are you asking questions that originated from another member, that doesn't count I suppose.