Australia paper defends Serena Williams cartoon despite outrage

[DrTuner]

Since we're all outraged and that, as a honkey I'd like to get off a grievance of mine about depicting one of the great heroes of the 80's in an unflattering way.

 

 

Oh how I miss the 80's. The pinnacle of white man's reign.

[tifino]

that was only just the beginning...

Artists share alternative takes on racist Serena Williams cartoon.... plenty more where this came from ? 

 

[marcusarelus]

15 minutes ago, giddyup said:

He's just baiting. I imagine his life is pretty mundane without this forum. I know I'm done feeding him, hopefully he will just dry up and blow away.

Your definition of troll = person who does not agree with me and supports his positions with published links instead of my illiterate mates opinions. 

[tifino]

Mark Knight joins the ranks of other notable aussie figures, that are difficult for outsiders to really understand the antics of:

 

Auntie Jack

Dame Edna Everage

Norman Gunston

Paul Hogan

Ted Bullpit

[marcusarelus]

How many times have we all heard, "you don't understand Thai people?"  If you live in Thailand it is constant. 

 

The cartoonist said, "Maybe there’s a different understanding of cartooning in Australia to America,”  Sounds the same as Thailand only he is saying you don't understand Australian people. 

 

From the Irish newspapers

 

I doubt many Irish observers can have looked at the Serena Williams cartoon without being reminded of our own grim history at the hands of cartoonists of the Victorian era, who depicted us as heavy-browed apes, feckless alcoholics and combative thugs. Those thick-Paddy stereotypes haven’t entirely gone away, either.  

 

And from Australia.

 

The Australian writer Yassmin Abdel-Magied, who has spoken of her own experiences of racism and sexism in her country, has tweeted in response to the cartoon: “Racism – as in, the structures of society that make it difficult for those who are non-White to be truly and unconditionally ‘Australian’, and that perpetuate systemic inequality in Australia – is so embedded, is such a normal way of ‘doing business’, pointing to it feels facile.

 

[balo]

I think this is an American tbing, the rest of the western world looks at it as a funny cartoon. We can joke about any nationality and race really. Only have to be careful with drawings of Mohammed these days.

[tifino]

3 minutes ago, balo said:

I think this is an American tbing, the rest of the western world looks at it as a funny cartoon. We can joke about any nationality and race really. Only have to be careful with drawings of Mohammed these days.

yeah! pretty much...

Edited September 13, 2018 by tifino

[CharlieH]

Reported off topic posts removed.

[DrTuner]

5 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

I doubt many Irish observers can have looked at the Serena Williams cartoon without being reminded of our own grim history at the hands of cartoonists of the Victorian era, who depicted us as heavy-browed apes, feckless alcoholics and combative thugs. Those thick-Paddy stereotypes haven’t entirely gone away, either.  

I thought they emigrated to New York.

[sanemax]

5 minutes ago, balo said:

 Only have to be careful with drawings of Mohammed these days.

Serena and Mohammed 

[sanemax]

20 minutes ago, tifino said:

that was only just the beginning...

Artists share alternative takes on racist Serena Williams cartoon.... plenty more where this came from ? 

 

I do find that very offensive .

White people are a minority in the World and that portrayal of Rupert Murdoch is highly offensive to ALL White people .

[marcusarelus]

4 minutes ago, balo said:

I think this is an American tbing, the rest of the western world looks at it as a funny cartoon. We can joke about any nationality and race really. Only have to be careful with drawings of Mohammed these days.

Is the Irish times an American paper?

Serena Williams cartoon: outrage-mongering or old-fashioned racism

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/serena-williams-cartoon-outrage-mongering-or-old-fashioned-racism-1.3625565

Is the Daily Mail UK an American paper?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6151635/Australian-newspaper-Herald-Sun-eviscerated-racist-cartoon-Serena-Williams.html

Williams' nose and lips are enlarged and her curly hair is exaggerated.

Others said the image was reminiscent of Jim Crow-era illustrations of African American women 

 

Australian newspaper The Herald Sun is eviscerated for racist cartoon of US Open Final which depicts Serena Williams as a baby and Naomi Osaka as white

[tifino]

I wonder Serena will zip her lips now?

[RickBradford]

8 minutes ago, tifino said:

Mark Knight joins the ranks of other notable aussie figures, that are difficult for outsiders to really understand the antics of:

 

Auntie Jack

Dame Edna Everage

Norman Gunston

Paul Hogan

Ted Bullpit

I doubt that the Church of the Perpetually Outraged would have liked Bill Mitchell, one-time cartoonist for The Australian. His series 'The Treasure of Los Bananos' would have had them screaming "racism" and "cultural appropriation" before you could say "Caramba!", and sent them whimpering into their fluffy-toy safe spaces.

 

That's what happens when you grow up glued to social media on your phone and don't have any real friends.

 

[DrTuner]

9 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Is the Irish times an American paper?

Serena Williams cartoon: outrage-mongering or old-fashioned racism

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/serena-williams-cartoon-outrage-mongering-or-old-fashioned-racism-1.3625565

Is the Daily Mail UK an American paper?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6151635/Australian-newspaper-Herald-Sun-eviscerated-racist-cartoon-Serena-Williams.html

Instead of the countries, take a look at the writer's name and do a google on their political views. Newspapers don't do news anymore, they are opinion pieces. In this case:

 

By JENNIFER SMITH

Jennifer O'Connell

 

And I'm pretty sure CNN's resident feminist has written the obligatory kneejerk .. yes she's awake, https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/20/serena-williams-rolling-stone-misogyny and has of all things managed to infiltrate the Guardian as well.

 

Once upon a time I was giving a couple of guest lectures at a university to future journalists. I remember about 95% of them were women and inclined to the left as per the university's history. They are now manning the mainstream media and that's why you get this PC-feminist-racist barrage non stop.

 

EDIT: Ah Jill's been ahead of her time by 5 years I see. I'm sure she'll flip one off to CNN now as well.

Edited September 13, 2018 by DrTuner

[gk10002000]

Gee, welcome to the world of satire, lampooning, character exaggerations, etc.  If somebody doesn't like what the paper published, well, don't give the paper any more of your business.  Move along

[RickBradford]

It's clear that the global Manufactured Outrage department is in full swing on this one.

 

They don't care about any putative damage caused to the main subject of the cartoon, simply about forcing an apology from the newspaper, and then, a disciplining of cartoonist, editor and on up.

 

This is just a power play, like so many others that the SJW types engage in, the zero-sum victim v oppressor narrative, us noble globalists versus those despicable racists.

 

They don't care about doing any good, or alleviating any harm, merely in pushing their agenda.

 

Fortunately, Murdoch is one of those guys with sufficient albondigas to tell them to get f.....

[marcusarelus]

21 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Instead of the countries, take a look at the writer's name and do a google on their political views. Newspapers don't do news anymore, they are opinion pieces. In this case:

 

By JENNIFER SMITH

Jennifer O'Connell

 

And I'm pretty sure CNN's resident feminist has written the obligatory kneejerk .. yes she's awake, https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/20/serena-williams-rolling-stone-misogyny and has of all things managed to infiltrate the Guardian as well.

 

Once upon a time I was giving a couple of guest lectures at a university to future journalists. I remember about 95% of them were women and inclined to the left as per the university's history. They are now manning the mainstream media and that's why you get this PC-feminist-racist barrage non stop.

 

EDIT: Ah Jill's been ahead of her time by 5 years I see. I'm sure she'll flip one off to CNN now as well.

 

22 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Instead of the countries, take a look at the writer's name and do a google on their political views. Newspapers don't do news anymore, they are opinion pieces. In this case:

 

By JENNIFER SMITH

Jennifer O'Connell

 

And I'm pretty sure CNN's resident feminist has written the obligatory kneejerk .. yes she's awake, https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/20/serena-williams-rolling-stone-misogyny and has of all things managed to infiltrate the Guardian as well.

 

Once upon a time I was giving a couple of guest lectures at a university to future journalists. I remember about 95% of them were women and inclined to the left as per the university's history. They are now manning the mainstream media and that's why you get this PC-feminist-racist barrage non stop.

 

EDIT: Ah Jill's been ahead of her time by 5 years I see. I'm sure she'll flip one off to CNN now as well.

Who is Jennifer O'Connell from the Irish times?  Do you list it?  I googled and didn't get much. 

[DrTuner]

5 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Who is Jennifer O'Connell from the Irish times?  Do you list it?  I googled and didn't get much. 

https://www.irishtimes.com/profile/jennifer-o-connell-7.1593256

 

Seems to dwelve in a few issues. Writes masterpieces like this: https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/wanted-female-indiana-jones-only-thin-pretty-shortsighted-women-need-apply-1.3453024

[marcusarelus]

18 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

https://www.irishtimes.com/profile/jennifer-o-connell-7.1593256

 

Seems to dwelve in a few issues. Writes masterpieces like this: https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/wanted-female-indiana-jones-only-thin-pretty-shortsighted-women-need-apply-1.3453024

I don't see any racial bias.  Nor in any of the others I posted.  Feminism is not the problem in the cartoon and I don't think anyone has mentioned it. 

[Nyezhov]

4 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

I am not a Canadian and like I said the term is still used by the US government and me. 

 

But my point was that I know as much about Eskimos as Australians know about Blacks and that's not much. 

The point is you are rascist towards native Alaskans and shouldn't be commenting about rascist any further.

[marcusarelus]

2 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

The point is you are rascist towards native Alaskans and shouldn't be commenting about rascist any further.

I am not racist towards native Alaskans.  In their language their name is Eskimo.  Most Alaskans continue to accept the name "Eskimo," particularly because "Inuit" refers only to the Inupiat of northern Alaska, the Inuit of Canada, and the Kalaallit of Greenland, and it is not a word in the Yupik languages of Alaska and Siberia.

[Thechook]

6 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

How many times have we all heard, "you don't understand Thai people?"  If you live in Thailand it is constant. 

 

The cartoonist said, "Maybe there’s a different understanding of cartooning in Australia to America,”  Sounds the same as Thailand only he is saying you don't understand Australian people. 

 

From the Irish newspapers

 

I doubt many Irish observers can have looked at the Serena Williams cartoon without being reminded of our own grim history at the hands of cartoonists of the Victorian era, who depicted us as heavy-browed apes, feckless alcoholics and combative thugs. Those thick-Paddy stereotypes haven’t entirely gone away, either.  

 

And from Australia.

 

The Australian writer Yassmin Abdel-Magied, who has spoken of her own experiences of racism and sexism in her country, has tweeted in response to the cartoon: “Racism – as in, the structures of society that make it difficult for those who are non-White to be truly and unconditionally ‘Australian’, and that perpetuate systemic inequality in Australia – is so embedded, is such a normal way of ‘doing business’, pointing to it feels facile.

 

Wow now you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel referring to Yassmin Abdel-Magied, to support your anti Australia attacks.  Yassmin is a Sudanese immigrant who constantly publically insults whites with vile disgusting quotes the absolute epitome of à "RACIST"  The same woman who made vile disgusting comments about service men and women who gave their lives for the country she received refuge in.  She was removed from her job for her racist rants eventually fleeing the country for the U.K

[Jingthing]

8 hours ago, RickBradford said:

It's clear that the global Manufactured Outrage department is in full swing on this one.

 

They don't care about any putative damage caused to the main subject of the cartoon, simply about forcing an apology from the newspaper, and then, a disciplining of cartoonist, editor and on up.

 

This is just a power play, like so many others that the SJW types engage in, the zero-sum victim v oppressor narrative, us noble globalists versus those despicable racists.

 

They don't care about doing any good, or alleviating any harm, merely in pushing their agenda.

 

Fortunately, Murdoch is one of those guys with sufficient albondigas to tell them to get f.....

Another way to look at these kinds of issues.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/09/13/trump-really-hates-apologizing-for-misogyny-and-racism-new-reporting-explains-why/

Quote

 

The political theorist Martha Nussbaum has urged us to see the debate over “political correctness” in light of the cosmopolitanism first elaborated by the ancients, that is, the idea that through reason we can come to treat one another, regardless of background, as having equal worth by virtue of our respective “moral affiliation” with “rational humanity.” Nussbaum argues that the sneering at “political correctness” really amounts to a declaration that we do not have any “duty” to put in the intellectual, political and societal work necessary to counter or ease “racism, sexism, and other divisive passions” that militate against tolerance and humanism, in ourselves or in others.

 

 

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Thechook said:

Wow now you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel referring to Yassmin Abdel-Magied, to support your anti Australia attacks.  Yassmin is a Sudanese immigrant who constantly publically insults whites with vile disgusting quotes the absolute epitome of à "RACIST"  The same woman who made vile disgusting comments about service men and women who gave their lives for the country she received refuge in.  She was removed from her job for her racist rants eventually fleeing the country for the U.K

She was highlighting deaths and mistreatment of asylum seekers held Offshore by the Oz government with the phase usually reserved for members of the military "Lest We Forget" on a day allocated for the memory of military service people. She made an error of judgement, removed the comment and apologised the following day, yet was hounded for days by Oz PC politicians from the Right.

 

Some Australians  from the Right claim its within peoples rights to be offensive, but when not adhering to their PC POV, obviously not so - astounding hypocrisy. As my Thai wife can inform, anyone claiming racism is a minor issue in Australia is completely incorrect.

[utalkin2me]

The cartoon depicts pretty much exactly how she acted. If you do not want a cartoon like that, don't act like that. 

[dcutman]

Spot on depiction in a cartoonish way, given the circumstances and her behavior. Left wing nuts can find racism and bigotry  in anything and everything. 

Edited September 14, 2018 by dcutman

[utalkin2me]

25 minutes ago, dcutman said:

Spot on depiction in a cartoonish way, given the circumstances and her behavior. Left wing nuts can find racialism and bigotry  in anything and everything. 

I loved the touch if the little pacifier. I hesitated to say it before, but i found the depiction quite humourous. 

[tifino]

 A PC life would be such a boring existence:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bendejo]

On 9/11/2018 at 6:31 PM, RickBradford said:

It seems like the biggest manufacturing industry in the West these days is the manufacturing of outrage.

 

Outrage is great, free publicity, especially if you can be viewed as a victim. 

On the other side there are the people making their livelihoods as "guest experts" on the news show panels,  "well, Ron, what do you make of this?" etc.

I don't know much about tennis, are they having trouble selling tickets?  After this some people will want to see her blow up again, that'll help fill the seats.  She's been around 20 years, and she hasn't done this before, maybe it's time for her to sit back and enjoy life, it's not like she needs the $$.