Are foreigners(farang)allowed to work as waiters or bartenders under the new rules?

I do not see where it says so in the list.

 

That type of work is still not allowed.

Ive seen foreigners working as waiters in restaurants in Pattaya many times 

15 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

That type of work is still not allowed.

 

21 minutes ago, yankee99 said:

Ive seen foreigners working as waiters in restaurants in Pattaya many times 

 

If they have a WP it probably has a rather grand title not waiter.

16 hours ago, jvs said:

Are foreigners(farang)allowed to work as waiters or bartenders under the new rules?

I do not see where it says so in the list.

Any of the lists you can find will usually have a couple of broad categories, no service/retail work etc, they dont usually state specifically cannot be a waiter. 

57 minutes ago, yankee99 said:

Ive seen foreigners working as waiters in restaurants in Pattaya many times 

 

Maybe someone that is actually Thai by immigration, descent or marriage etc, a Thai with one western parent and looks western. Even someone with a WP as manager can wait tables occasionally as a staff training exercise or as a translator etc. Lots of Russians have WPs as entertainers/hostess etc. Or they are just working illegally. I live and go out in Pattaya and have never seen a foreigner working as a waiter.

For some reason Burmese seem to be able to hold these positions in various resorts.  They can also pump gas and build houses and other construction. 

5 minutes ago, ReMarKable said:

For some reason Burmese seem to be able to hold these positions in various resorts.  They can also pump gas and build houses and other construction. 

The rules for migrant laborers from Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam are different from others. They are under a MOU between Thailand and them.

1 hour ago, Peterw42 said:

Maybe someone that is actually Thai by immigration, descent or marriage etc, a Thai with one western parent and looks western. Even someone with a WP as manager can wait tables occasionally as a staff training exercise or as a translator etc. Lots of Russians have WPs as entertainers/hostess etc. Or they are just working illegally. I live and go out in Pattaya and have never seen a foreigner working as a waiter.

I concur - I’ve never seen a Westerner working just  as a waiter , many of the big chains have a foreign GM or F&B manager . 

How many farangs would be willing to work for minimum wage plus tips?

I guess very few and I can't imagine they are the type of people restaurants would employ...

35 minutes ago, ReMarKable said:

For some reason Burmese seem to be able to hold these positions in various resorts.  They can also pump gas and build houses and other construction. 

Different rules and they work cheap... 

The reason i started this topic was some one was really really sure this was no longer a protected job under the new rules.

He is saying 'it does not say anywhere you can not be a waiter'.

It does allow general labor but i am sure that is only for the members of Asean.

What would be the exact rule that specifice this?

8 minutes ago, kenk24 said:

Different rules and they work cheap... 

And from what i see they work hard.

3 minutes ago, jvs said:

And from what i see they work hard.

It is not an enviable position - I have a Burmese brother in law who was doing construction in Bkk - not sure of wages but he was living in corrugated, small slum style housing while working there. 

 

I think you are looking for something way too specific... there probably is no rule that says you cannot work bringing som tom salad to construction workers during their lunch hour and if there were, it would not disavow bringing them other foods... I don't think they need to spell out every possible manual labor job... 

18 minutes ago, jvs said:

The reason i started this topic was some one was really really sure this was no longer a protected job under the new rules.

He is saying 'it does not say anywhere you can not be a waiter'.

It does allow general labor but i am sure that is only for the members of Asean.

What would be the exact rule that specifice this?

I understand that you want to know the details.

But what difference does it make? In the Thailand I live rules are made up on the spot. If someone with a little authority tells you it's illegal then it is illegal. Or what are you going to do?

And if it is officially illegal but nobody cares then it's kind of normal procedure but still not legal.

Summary: Do it if you want it and if you think you can get away with it - maybe with a little agreement with the boys in brown.

But if someone really wants to create problems for you they will likely find something you do which is not 100% legal.

1 hour ago, kenk24 said:

It is not an enviable position - I have a Burmese brother in law who was doing construction in Bkk - not sure of wages but he was living in corrugated, small slum style housing while working there. 

 

I think you are looking for something way too specific... there probably is no rule that says you cannot work bringing som tom salad to construction workers during their lunch hour and if there were, it would not disavow bringing them other foods... I don't think they need to spell out every possible manual labor job... 

I think wages are actually around a third or half of a Thai and as low as a quarter from what I was told. They eat , sleep , work in same place basically sleeping in tin shacks usually .

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How many farangs would be willing to work for minimum wage plus tips?

I guess very few and I can't imagine they are the type of people restaurants would employ...

Why?

On 10/22/2018 at 3:13 PM, ubonjoe said:

That type of work is still not allowed.

Sunrise Tacos - Why are Filipinos & Indians allowed to work as waiters/waitresses? This is at one of the big shopping centres in BKK. Surely they'd get busted by immigration easily working in a busy shopping centre?