AlexRich Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said: It astonishes me that the US having elected a fine, decent, honest, caring, graceful, considerate man like Obama, should then elect a man who great achievement is to embody almost everything in White American culture that is the opposite. Anyone with a tiny amount of insight and empathy can look at Trumps twisted features and realise that there is something deeply unsound going on inside his head. Most American's who live outside the US, and many within it, realise that his boastful behaviour is not acceptable in civilised countries. A Trump like man holding forth on how magnificent he was in Europe - for example - would simply be despised as everyone fled to the far end of the bar to get away from him. A mere braggart and a scoundrel to boot forsooth! Tonight I watched a documentary called American Chaos. A guy (a Democrat) went around Trump supporting areas of the US before the election and asked people to explain why they would vote for Trump. What was surprising is that in places like Virginia (coal area) many of the Trump supporters previously voted for Obama. People had lost their jobs, and their towns and communities had deteriorated, some had gone on welfare and others had taken to drug use, with all the problems that creates. So they thought of Trump as a guy that understood their plight and would bring it all back to the way it used to be. In Texas they worried about illegals crossing the border and any attempt to control gun ownership. In Florida they spoke a lot about Hillary and Obama, gun control, and Black Lives Matter. So Trump was speaking their language. And their problems were real to them. No one listening to them. Even the Christians interviewed knew he wasn't a great guy, but he was more likely to give them what they wanted. The documentary guy was in tears (unhappy) when Trump won ... he couldn't believe it. Now I can sympathise to some extent with them, but what I find extraordinary is that they don't know Trump, his history, his corrupt past, and his disingenuous nature. One guy interviewed said no one had ever accused Trump of doing wrong, unlike Hillary. Everyone took Trump at face value. Trump wanted their vote, other than that he couldn't give a toss about any of them. Selecting Hillary as a candidate was a mistake, too much history and controversy, easy to campaign against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bristolboy Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 6 hours ago, riclag said: Where does it say that "Trump warns critics to shut up or they'll be killed by his supporters". Where has Trump said he likes a Congressman who bodyslammed a reporter? Who actually said because he bodyslammed a reporter "He is my kind of..." Oh wait, here it is: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 I feel sorry for all of you who don't realise that rhetoric is playing a major part in this, and that Trump's rhetoric trump's that of all others combined by miles. You just don't see what is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 7 hours ago, AlexRich said: A nut job sends pipe bombs to former presidential candidates and prominent critics of Trump and because no one has died yet it's not the same? What prompted the nut job to do this? The National Socialists in Germany in the 1930's used to label critics as "enemies of the people" ... not everyone has the sense to see through rhetoric and bombast and some disturbed individuals act on their emotions ... I can't recall Obama critics receiving pipe bombs in the mail? That's because he was presidential, he didn't engage in whipping up hatred and division. No, not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBKK Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, stevenl said: I feel sorry for all of you who don't realise that rhetoric is playing a major part in this, and that Trump's rhetoric trump's that of all others combined by miles. You just don't see what is happening. Only you do... got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBKK Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Not as desperate as those trying to blame Democrats for these bombs. Can't blame Dems for the bombs nor GOP just some nut job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 minute ago, BobBKK said: Can't blame Dems for the bombs nor GOP just some nut job. The poster I quoted is saying differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBKK Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Just now, Bluespunk said: The poster I quoted is saying differently. I think we agree that assertions from either side that 'it's their fault' is absurd (but I see and hear it daily) and adds fuel to the fire. Whatever nut job did it needs shutting away for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Rigby40 said: You're right. It's even worse. Vocally (not physically) protesting against political figures in restaurants is worse than physically assaulting a reporter doing his job? I don't approve of either, but being obnoxious is not as bad as criminal assault and battery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Trump, the man called political opponent's Lyin' Ted and Crooked Hillary, who calls the press Fake News and Enemy of the People, who praised a congressman who pled guilty to criminal assault on a reporter, who invited the Russians to spy on Hillary Clinton, and who routinely makes completely unsubstantiated accusations such as "millions of undocumented voters" and "middle easterners in the caravan", is now saying the uncivil rhetoric comes from the other side. 90% of media coverage of Trump is negative because 90% of the time the legitimate news is fact checking the Presidents statements and identifying accusations made with zero evidence. That's the job of legitimate news. If Trump wants less negative coverage, he should stop lying and making unproven accusations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, heybruce said: By "alternative media", I assume you mean those people who get their information from legitimate news, edit it, supplement it with questionable or imaginary alternative facts, then use it to present a conspiracy theory. "legitimate" news, a.k.a. MSM, are owned buy a handful of mega corporations or directly by a mega billionaire in the case of the Washington Post. And obviously such corporations and persons are known to be trustworthy, only presenting the unadulterated truth whatever the issue...without any bias... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Brunolem said: "legitimate" news, a.k.a. MSM, are owned buy a handful of mega corporations or directly by a mega billionaire in the case of the Washington Post. And obviously such corporations and persons are known to be trustworthy, only presenting the unadulterated truth whatever the issue...without any bias... Legitimate foods, legitimate cars, legitimate gizmos, legitimate beer, etc. are owned by a handful of mega corporations that compete for market share. The best compete by trying to offer the best quality. Legitimate news, with the exception of Fox (best known for entertainment programs masquerading as news), also compete to offer the most important facts the fastest, with the fewest number of mistakes. The most credible have been doing this for decades, sometimes for more than a century. The thing to remember is that the alternative news sources don't have reporters in the field, they rely on mainstream news and unsubstantiated stuff that pops up on the internet. Much of the internet stuff is BS, but it's interesting (click-bait) BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcambl61 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, heybruce said: Legitimate news, with the exception of Fox (best known for entertainment programs masquerading as news), also compete to offer the most important facts the fastest, with the fewest number of mistakes. The most credible have been doing this for decades, sometimes for more than a century. The thing to remember is that the alternative news sources don't have reporters in the field, they rely on mainstream news and unsubstantiated stuff that pops up on the internet. Much of the internet stuff is BS, but it's interesting (click-bait) BS so these legitimate news agencies....that purposely do not report news to craft a narrative or spend an inordinate amount of time on things that paint a negative narrative, that is considered "legitimate". OK, good to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, heybruce said: Legitimate foods, legitimate cars, legitimate gizmos, legitimate beer, etc. are owned by a handful of mega corporations that compete for market share. The best compete by trying to offer the best quality. Legitimate news, with the exception of Fox (best known for entertainment programs masquerading as news), also compete to offer the most important facts the fastest, with the fewest number of mistakes. The most credible have been doing this for decades, sometimes for more than a century. The thing to remember is that the alternative news sources don't have reporters in the field, they rely on mainstream news and unsubstantiated stuff that pops up on the internet. Much of the internet stuff is BS, but it's interesting (click-bait) BS. "compete to offer the best quality"...that's the kind of BS they teach students in Harvard and the likes! Mc Donald's and Pepsico...the best food and drinks...for the healthcare cartel certainly ..which provides the best medicine at the best price for future addicts! Microsoft and its DOS software, a.k.a. the "dirty operating system"! JP Morgan, with more than 40 billion dollars in fines since 2010, for being involved in all the banking frauds ever discovered, is at the top of the banking industry. Things don't work the way you describe them...it is rarely the best who rise to the top, but the most ruthless (talking about Fox, see Murdoch for ruthlessness), or those with the most powerful connections (see the bankers). As for the news, having reporters all over the place doesn't necessarily mean that you get the best and most truthful information. For example, investors in the financial markets don't trade according to newspapers information or by listening to crazy Jim Cramer, but they rather rely on other kinds of sources, sources that one could call alternate sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 34 minutes ago, Brunolem said: "compete to offer the best quality"...that's the kind of BS they teach students in Harvard and the likes! Mc Donald's and Pepsico...the best food and drinks...for the healthcare cartel certainly ..which provides the best medicine at the best price for future addicts! Microsoft and its DOS software, a.k.a. the "dirty operating system"! JP Morgan, with more than 40 billion dollars in fines since 2010, for being involved in all the banking frauds ever discovered, is at the top of the banking industry. Things don't work the way you describe them...it is rarely the best who rise to the top, but the most ruthless (talking about Fox, see Murdoch for ruthlessness), or those with the most powerful connections (see the bankers). As for the news, having reporters all over the place doesn't necessarily mean that you get the best and most truthful information. For example, investors in the financial markets don't trade according to newspapers information or by listening to crazy Jim Cramer, but they rather rely on other kinds of sources, sources that one could call alternate sources. All of the above information came from legitimate news sources. Regarding your last paragraph; investors definitely rely on mainstream media for knowledge, but the specialists supplement it by digging deeply into available data, and the criminals engage in insider trading using information not available to the public. Pick an important news story in the news today that was not first reported by mainstream media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 44 minutes ago, mcambl61 said: so these legitimate news agencies....that purposely do not report news to craft a narrative or spend an inordinate amount of time on things that paint a negative narrative, that is considered "legitimate". OK, good to know Care to give examples? Do you have inside knowledge of the editorial process of mainstream media, or the alternative media you rely on? Can you give examples of these negative narratives that aren't supported by real facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 34 minutes ago, Rigby40 said: Most of the those issues don't concern me. If you notice I don't comment on issues of the economy much. I'm sure there are some people around here who could help you out with those ones. I'm primarily focused on social issues and exposing the MSM, among other things. Not concerned with the economy and what Trump is doing to it is the equivalent of not being concerned with your own future. Not concerned with Trump accusing others of lying (oh the irony) and calling Obama the founder of ISIS while being concerned about Trump's negative portrayal in the news is hypocrisy. So far all you've exposed about MSM is that you don't like it, you prefer looking for videos on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Some off topic posts and replies have been removed, topic is about: Democrats tie Trump's rhetoric to spate of suspected bombs Not Hillary, not the economy, please stay on topic, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, heybruce said: Actually all those things are reported in legitimate print news, along with context. For example, if you read quality print news you would know that labor force part hiicipation rates have been expected to decline for many years as the baby boomers retire and live longer than retirees in the past. I was off topic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 3 hours ago, mcambl61 said: so these legitimate news agencies....that purposely do not report news to craft a narrative or spend an inordinate amount of time on things that paint a negative narrative, that is considered "legitimate". OK, good to know To judge from this latest piece of frothing from you, they approach being objective a lot more closely than you appear capable of doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 More off topic trolling posts and the replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcambl61 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 4 hours ago, heybruce said: Do you have inside knowledge of the editorial process of mainstream media do you? I know what I see and hear, and I know how much positive news concerning the current administration is ignored. It is one thing to report the negatives, but there has to be some type of balance. there is none currently. regardless of the "editorial process" bias is bias. we could go on forever with the double standards, are you actually trying to ignore the fact that the MSM parrots the Dem party talking points on an hourly basis and refuses to ask tough questions to those they agree with? where was the objectivity in the Kavanaugh hearing MSM coverage? I will answer that, there wasn't any because it fit the narrative. where is the objectivity in the immigration issue coverage? I will answer that, there wasn't any because it fit the narrative. It's all about emotion and sympathy for "the cause" or the ideology, that is what rules the editorial process in most MSM outlets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, mcambl61 said: do you? I know what I see and hear, and I know how much positive news concerning the current administration is ignored. It is one thing to report the negatives, but there has to be some type of balance. there is none currently. regardless of the "editorial process" bias is bias. we could go on forever with the double standards, are you actually trying to ignore the fact that the MSM parrots the Dem party talking points on an hourly basis and refuses to ask tough questions to those they agree with? where was the objectivity in the Kavanaugh hearing MSM coverage? I will answer that, there wasn't any because it fit the narrative. where is the objectivity in the immigration issue coverage? I will answer that, there wasn't any because it fit the narrative. It's all about emotion and sympathy for "the cause" or the ideology, that is what rules the editorial process in most MSM outlets. Why are you getting so emotional when the man-child is called on all his BS and lies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 7 hours ago, heybruce said: Care to give examples? Do you have inside knowledge of the editorial process of mainstream media, or the alternative media you rely on? Can you give examples of these negative narratives that aren't supported by real facts? 2 hours ago, mcambl61 said: do you? I know what I see and hear, and I know how much positive news concerning the current administration is ignored. It is one thing to report the negatives, but there has to be some type of balance. there is none currently. regardless of the "editorial process" bias is bias. we could go on forever with the double standards, are you actually trying to ignore the fact that the MSM parrots the Dem party talking points on an hourly basis and refuses to ask tough questions to those they agree with? where was the objectivity in the Kavanaugh hearing MSM coverage? I will answer that, there wasn't any because it fit the narrative. where is the objectivity in the immigration issue coverage? I will answer that, there wasn't any because it fit the narrative. It's all about emotion and sympathy for "the cause" or the ideology, that is what rules the editorial process in most MSM outlets. What "Dem party talking points" are you referring to? What "tough questions to those (who?) they agree with"? I can't address your broad, vague generalizations. The Kavanaugh hearing coverage focused on Kavanaugh. His anger, his crying, his petulantly answering legitimate questions with questions, etc. The biggest negative of the Kavanaugh coverage was Kavanaugh. What immigration issue coverage are you referring to? Can you give links to stories you consider unfair? Once again, I can't address broad, vague generalizations. Your last sentence remind me of the "facts are lies unless I agree with them" Trump campaign. That was all about emotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Florida man arrested in bombing case:https://boingboing.net/2018/10/26/florida-man-arrested-in-packag.html“Suspect arrested in pipe bomb case had right wing Trump stickers all over his van.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srinivas Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, attrayant said: Florida man arrested in bombing case:https://boingboing.net/2018/10/26/florida-man-arrested-in-packag.html “Suspect arrested in pipe bomb case had right wing Trump stickers all over his van.” So a Florida man 'mailed' all these packages and they miraculously made it to new yawk w/o any USPS cancellation on the postage?? Anyone catch that minor detail???? But hey good work! the guy does looks scary. The van pics are quite well designed and had some of the victims pics too.it's a wrap. next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Srinivas said: So a Florida man 'mailed' all these packages and they miraculously made it to new yawk w/o any USPS cancellation on the postage?? Anyone catch that minor detail???? But hey good work! the guy does looks scary. The van pics are quite well designed and had some of the victims pics too.it's a wrap. next? It's not a mystery. Not all of them weren't cancelled. It's a known fact that often irregularly shaped package stamps are not cancelled. Yet we all know that "small detail" has been inflated into a big deal by the far right wing social media noise machine to promote their totally moronic conspiracy theories about this being a false flag, etc. Nice try. No cigar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 2 hours ago, attrayant said: Florida man arrested in bombing case:https://boingboing.net/2018/10/26/florida-man-arrested-in-packag.html “Suspect arrested in pipe bomb case had right wing Trump stickers all over his van.” Perhaps he was shooting for the Deplorable "trump" fan of the Year award? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srinivas Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Perhaps he was shooting for the Deplorable "trump" fan of the Year award? he probably was shooting for such an award. he has certainly been busy changing stickers on theback right windows notice the dif? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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