House blue book passed to daughter.

[dallen52]

My partner some six years has a family home in Nangrong. 

The land is still in the deceased fathers name.

But the intent is a 3 way divide between two sisters and a brother. 

The house occupies a section of the land and fronts the road.

All other access wouldbe from here.

 

Down to business. 

I've done the usual farang improvements to the house.

Basically rebuilt it.

Extra large now and electrical rewired, several bathrooms and new bedrooms. 

Floor tiling and paint etc.

About 500,000 I've spent using traditional family Labour and day wages.

This was to be an alternative to the sin sod. 

 

Anyway the mother has given the house book to the other daughter and with the head woman's help it's now in her name.

Transferred. Gratis. (Free)

 

Apart from the obvious 

Farang ki nok connotations and suckered lines.

 

What if anything can be done.?

 

We have been together almost six years. 

And my partner wants nothing to do with it now.

Usual Thai response. 

Same the brother. 

What he never had, he doesn't miss.

 

Me?

Well I would like an explanation at least regards the legality of the above.

 

[lopburi3]

Why would "the intent" be other than what the mother did and why would it not be legal?  Parents normally make the decision, often based on daughter that will take care of them in old age and this sounds as if it was agreeable to all concerned (you do not appear to be a legally concerned party).   It sounds as if this has been a family home so suspect there might not be any change in day-to-day living unless you or your partner make it so.

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

"I've done the usual farang improvements to the house. 

Basically rebuilt it.

Extra large now and electrical rewired, several bathrooms and new bedrooms. 

Floor tiling and paint etc. 

About 500,000 I've spent using traditional family Labour and day wages.

This was to be an alternative to the sin sod." 

 

"I would like an explanation at least regards the legality of the above." 

You weren't allowed to do that work to start with, so how would you bring that up in a legal matter.

Edited November 2, 2018 by FritsSikkink

[BritManToo]

 

1 hour ago, dallen52 said:

My partner some six years has a family home in Nangrong. 

The land is still in the deceased fathers name.

But the intent is a 3 way divide between two sisters and a brother. 

The house occupies a section of the land and fronts the road.

All other access wouldbe from here.

I did something similar for my (former) MiL, paid off a loan on the family farm 100k.

In return she transferred the title to my (former) wife, cutting out the other brother and sister.

MiL is still alive, still living on the farm, and nobody was ever told about the transfer (they think she still owns it).

 

The name of the game is thinking in advance, not leaving it to risk later.

You should have had the house and land transferred to your partner, before parting with your hard earned money.

 

Too late now!

Edited November 2, 2018 by BritManToo

[janclaes47]

1 hour ago, dallen52 said:

Anyway the mother has given the house book to the other daughter and with the head woman's help it's now in her name.

Transferred. Gratis. (Free)

House book has nothing to do with ownership, there is no such thing as transfer of a house book

[NCC1701A]

1 hour ago, dallen52 said:

And my partner wants nothing to do with it now.

so she is totally aliened from her family and will not profit even indirectly in the future?

 

[janclaes47]

26 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

"I've done the usual farang improvements to the house. 

Basically rebuilt it.

Extra large now and electrical rewired, several bathrooms and new bedrooms. 

Floor tiling and paint etc. 

About 500,000 I've spent using traditional family Labour and day wages.

This was to be an alternative to the sin sod." 

 

"I would like an explanation at least regards the legality of the above." 

You weren't allowed to do that work to start with, so how would you bring that up in a legal matter.

 

So he wasn't allowed to spend money on family labour and day wages?

 

Do you live in cuckoos land?

[CharlieH]

9 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

House book has nothing to do with ownership, there is no such thing as transfer of a house book

The "Chanote" is what matters ????

 

Thats what states who owns it, that would need to be transferred and signed at the Registry. The Blue "who resides there" is of no importance to ownership.

[baansgr]

Don't worry,  the buffalo shed will be next,  no blue book with them

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, janclaes47 said:

 

So he wasn't allowed to spend money on family labour and day wages?

 

Do you live in cuckoos land?

Can you read? 

"I've done the usual farang improvements to the house. 

Basically rebuilt it."

[janclaes47]

2 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Can you read? 

"I've done the usual farang improvements to the house. 

Basically rebuilt it."

I can read, but obviously you can't.

 

About 500,000 I've spent using traditional family Labour and day wages.

[ukrules]

Anything you purchased, you own. Think creatively if there's ever a problem. Gather your receipts and remove what belongs to you.

[lopburi3]

3 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Anything you purchased, you own. Think creatively if there's ever a problem. Gather your receipts and remove what belongs to you.

He already said everything was a gift

 

5 hours ago, dallen52 said:

This was to be an alternative to the sin sod. 

 

[ukrules]

3 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

He already said everything was a gift

Right, I'm sure there's a detailed proof in the form of a contract.

 

Receipt = ownership.

[watcharacters]

16 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Anything you purchased, you own. Think creatively if there's ever a problem. Gather your receipts and remove what belongs to you.

 

Does that conform  with Thai law?

 

[ukrules]

1 minute ago, watcharacters said:

 

Does that conform  with Thai law?

 

I once watched a video on youtube of a man having a house he paid for demolished with an excavator, the 'poor woman' in question who owned the land on which this house was located claimed it was hers and called the police to prevent this from happening.

 

The guy produced the receipts proving ownership of his property (the building materials) and had it smashed to pieces in front of her and the police. I'm not sure if he also cleared the land or left it sitting in a pile of rubble.

 

This was maybe 4 years ago and it was linked on this forum but I can't find the link...

 

 

[dallen52]

On 11/2/2018 at 12:08 PM, lopburi3 said:

Why would "the intent" be other than what the mother did and why would it not be legal?  Parents normally make the decision, often based on daughter that will take care of them in old age and this sounds as if it was agreeable to all concerned (you do not appear to be a legally concerned party).   It sounds as if this has been a family home so suspect there might not be any change in day-to-day living unless you or your partner make it so.

 

 

I've got the daughter that's taking care of her..

The other who has the house book now  sits at home and weaves, and does the buddha flowers. ????

Neither she or the brother were consulted. 

Edited November 4, 2018 by dallen52

[dallen52]

On 11/2/2018 at 5:27 PM, ukrules said:

I once watched a video on youtube of a man having a house he paid for demolished with an excavator, the 'poor woman' in question who owned the land on which this house was located claimed it was hers and called the police to prevent this from happening.

 

The guy produced the receipts proving ownership of his property (the building materials) and had it smashed to pieces in front of her and the police. I'm not sure if he also cleared the land or left it sitting in a pile of rubble.

 

This was maybe 4 years ago and it was linked on this forum but I can't find the link...

 

 

Sounds a good idea. 

The old house was virtually demolished and turned around. 

Re roofed and mega extended. 

As we do.

[CharlieH]

Why are you fixated on the Blue Book which means nothing, the Chanote is the ownership of the land etc.

[dallen52]

On 11/2/2018 at 12:51 PM, FritsSikkink said:

"I've done the usual farang improvements to the house. 

Basically rebuilt it.

Extra large now and electrical rewired, several bathrooms and new bedrooms. 

Floor tiling and paint etc. 

About 500,000 I've spent using traditional family Labour and day wages.

This was to be an alternative to the sin sod." 

 

"I would like an explanation at least regards the legality of the above." 

You weren't allowed to do that work to start with, so how would you bring that up in a legal matter.

Let me rephrase for sake of pedantic misinterpretation. 

 

I paid for all the work..

 

Did the right thing and used family members and local people. 

 

The legality is. 

The substance structure was bought and paid for by me.

 

My thai partner and I support the mother.

 

The other brother and my partner were not consulted.

 

Needless to say. 

The daughter who is named in the blue book is now the only one there with the mother.

[CharlieH]

1 minute ago, dallen52 said:

Let me rephrase for sake of pedantic misinterpretation. 

 

I paid for all the work..

 

Did the right thing and used family members and local people. 

 

The legality is. 

The substance structure was bought and paid for by me.

 

My thai partner and I support the mother.

 

The other brother and my partner were not consulted.

 

Needless to say. 

The daughter who is named in the blue book is now the only one there with the mother.

And all that means absolutely nothing ! 

As far as that property is concerned it ALL belongs to the Chanote holder.

[dallen52]

7 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Why are you fixated on the Blue Book which means nothing, the Chanote is the ownership of the land etc.

No fixation. 

Smack in the teeth for my partner who worked from the age of 12 to support the mother. 

After the father died. 

Chanote is never going to see light of day. 

Because the father and his deceased sisters owned the land. 

We were having legal search done to see if the land could have been transferred from they to the mother, before she passed. 84 years old. 

Not anymore. 

[dallen52]

13 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Why are you fixated on the Blue Book which means nothing, the Chanote is the ownership of the land etc.

Maybe response #18 is the way to go..

[CharlieH]

If you had built from scratch, kept ALL the receipts and paperwork, it "may" have been possible to argue the building was yours the land the "Chanote" holder.

But you improved an existing structure, sorry but that means nothing, you have effectively given the lot to the Chanote holder.(legal owner)

[CharlieH]

If this is true " Because the father and his deceased sisters owned the land" 

 and is the current documented situation, the decendents of the sisters will be involved now too, in any future proceedings regarding the land. Being Thai they wont let it go for nothing either.

[dallen52]

On 11/2/2018 at 1:19 PM, NCC1701A said:

so she is totally aliened from her family and will not profit even indirectly in the future?

 

Will not even put foot in the door. 

Last time was an all in.

Head lady called the police. 

Almost was a monkey house job.

A couple of shiners and a hammer taken to various places in the house.

 

Just doesn't make sense. 

Because as others have said,  the bricks and mortar counts for nothing. 

Without the chanote. 

Which is still not transferred from the deceased father and his sisters. Also deceased. 

 

Personally we have acquired 1.5 rai elsewhere in the village. 

Hers in her name. 

 

The old family home can fall down now.

 

Thai wrath...

[dallen52]

7 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

If this is true " Because the father and his deceased sisters owned the land" 

 and is the current documented situation, the decendents of the sisters will be involved now too, in any future proceedings regarding the land. Being Thai they wont let it go for nothing either.

Something we have accepted and understand now.

It could be an inperpuity situation. 

And no one else has the cash to investigate this one. 

Just sorta bamboozled me how they think at times.

They had already had the house rebuilt and extended. 

And now the only one there is the mother and her youngest daughter. 

Who probably makes about 6000 baht a month. 

[CharlieH]

It seems to me, that when the Mother passes, if "anyone" does anything "legally", they will have to consult all the surviving decendents of the Father and the Sisters and everyone will have some claim, including your wife.

But the pieces will be small, I am sorry to say.

 

When the Mother passes, the youngest now living there can only legally remain with the permission of the actual owner.

In reality, nothing may be done, but whoever starts the legal ball rolling will need money that's for sure as it will be difficult getting all the necessary permissions and agreements from so many involved for ultimately a small share because so many involved now. May not be financially viable to do.

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, dallen52 said:

Let me rephrase for sake of pedantic misinterpretation. 

 

I paid for all the work..

 

Did the right thing and used family members and local people. 

 

The legality is. 

The substance structure was bought and paid for by me.

 

My thai partner and I support the mother.

 

The other brother and my partner were not consulted.

 

Needless to say. 

The daughter who is named in the blue book is now the only one there with the mother.

Next time say , you paid for the work and haven't done it. Nothing to do with pedantic but with language skills.

[dallen52]

On 11/2/2018 at 5:17 PM, watcharacters said:

 

Does that conform  with Thai law?

 

Normally most stuff grows legs and walks. 

Plus abnormal amounts of waste when someone else is contributing the cost.

After the fracas, we went to remove the materials still unused.

Paint,  tiles etc

Much too late.

Walked.  

 

Redistributed is the word I'm looking for. ????