U.S. House passes bills that would end government shutdown, without wall funds

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, oldrunner said:

It amazes me that so many idiots are free with their mindless drivel but who have never served their country (USA) in any capacity other then sliding off their bar stool and expressing opinions that have no meaning to the bulk of US citizenry. Although I reside in Thailand, I have never failed to cast my vote in US Federal elections. I wonder if this is true of the big mouths I see in these columns.

Do you have evidence that the people you clearly disagree with have not cast their votes in US Federal elections.

 

Or are simply trying to fabricate an argument that your views are somehow more valid?

[bristolboy]

4 minutes ago, oldrunner said:

It amazes me that so many idiots are free with their mindless drivel but who have never served their country (USA) in any capacity other then sliding off their bar stool and expressing opinions that have no meaning to the bulk of US citizenry. Although I reside in Thailand, I have never failed to cast my vote in US Federal elections. I wonder if this is true of the big mouths I see in these columns.

Are those the big mouths on all sides of the issues or only those who disagree with you?

[welovesundaysatspace]

40 minutes ago, cooked said:

PM me and I'll give you some very public links.

Is that because of forum rule 2) “You will not use ThaiVisa.com to post any material which is knowingly or can be reasonably construed as false, inaccurate, (...) in violation of any law.”?

[johnnybangkok]

48 minutes ago, cooked said:

You're a hopeless case. The media have CHANGED since the days when they just reported facts. Breitbart? Who he? Have you any even very slight acquaintance with who owns these MSM sources that hysterically, pointlessly and sometimes without proof (forced to withdraw their drivel many times, not that most people will have noticed that) blame Trump for cancer, bad breath and modern music.

Well said sir!

I for one am sick of the liberal mainstream media making Donald Trump look bad by airing raw, unedited footage of things he's actually said and publishing verifiable accounts of things he actually did.

It's just not on!

[Basil B]

2 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

It's DOA on arrival to the senate and the dems knew that. Good or bad right or wrong with out attacking me for stating the obvious... the fact is Trump is done if he caves in. 

 

The dems know they are engaging in a useless exercise here. This is no longer about a wall. 

It may be DOA at the Senate, but already some of the Republican senators are thinking twice wanting to distance themselves from trumps stupidity...   

[candide]

1 hour ago, cooked said:

They already are, read the real news. Don't use google for that.

You confuse a possible decrease of trade deficit with the government effectively cashing money. In case the deficit would decrease with the new NAFTA (we have to believe Trump's big gob as only proof of it), the decrease will in no way become an additional budget for the government.

So it's not about which media ones read, it's about an irrelevant and ridiculous confusion.

That's why Trump needs $5b......

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/13/trump-got-mexico-pay-wall-by-simply-changing-meaning-pay-mexico/?utm_term=.771f877fa0bb

[scorecard]

2 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

It's DOA on arrival to the senate and the dems knew that. Good or bad right or wrong with out attacking me for stating the obvious... the fact is Trump is done if he caves in. 

 

The dems know they are engaging in a useless exercise here. This is no longer about a wall. 

 Well when the shoe was on the other foot the GOP had no hesitation to play nasty games...

[Spidey]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

You confuse a possible decrease of trade deficit with the government effectively cashing money. In case the deficit would decrease with the new NAFTA (we have to believe Trump's big gob as only proof of it), the decrease will in no way become an additional budget for the government.

So it's not about which media ones read, it's about an irrelevant and ridiculous confusion.

That's why Trump needs $5b......

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/13/trump-got-mexico-pay-wall-by-simply-changing-meaning-pay-mexico/?utm_term=.771f877fa0bb

It's more likely that he needs the $5b, not to build a wall but to revitalise the Trump Tower Moscow project. No doubt he will tell his base that it's needed in the interests of national security.

[farcanell]

3 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

It's DOA on arrival to the senate and the dems knew that. Good or bad right or wrong with out attacking me for stating the obvious... the fact is Trump is done if he caves in. 

 

The dems know they are engaging in a useless exercise here. This is no longer about a wall. 

Be that as it may... but you marginalize the fact that the same thing applies, in spades, to the dems

 

they were overwhelmingly returned to power in Congress, with a mandate to oppose trumpian theology, so if they give in to trumps first attempt at blackmail, they might as well go home.

 

and.... congress has passed a resolution here... it should go to the senate for approval ( or refusal), before being put to trump. If McConnell refuses (as he is being quoted as saying) he is derilict in his duty to the peoples of the United States..... and should be removed from his position.

[farcanell]

24 minutes ago, candide said:

(we have to believe Trump's big gob as only proof of it)

With 7000 plus verified lies or untruths.... methinks it more logical to disbelieve whatever spews from his constantly flapping hamburger hole. ????

[sirineou]

1 hour ago, cooked said:

They already are, read the real news. Don't use google for that.

 If that's the case, then why does it need to be appropriated? trump should wait a bit and when he has enough money collected from Mexico  build his wall and tell the Democrats to go F themselves.

  in fact, if you are going to use trumper "logic" China is paying for the wall by the money collected from tarifs, or New Yorkers from the money collected from the discontinuation of the property tax  deduction allowance . etc etc

In  using trumper "logic" the case can be made that anyone is paying for trump's folly , which in essence it means that everyone will be paying for trump's folly 

 The wall is a stupid , low tech , caveman, idea for the intended purpose. It would be  an ecological disaster, and would make us look bad in the eyes of the world, Really bad!!

  And all  of this because trump has small hands.

 

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, cooked said:

You're a hopeless case. The media have CHANGED since the days when they just reported facts. Breitbart? Who he? Have you any even very slight acquaintance with who owns these MSM sources that hysterically, pointlessly and sometimes without proof (forced to withdraw their drivel many times, not that most people will have noticed that) blame Trump for cancer, bad breath and modern music.

Exactly when, where and who blamed trump for cancer, bad breath and "modern music' {whatever that means}?

[Srikcir]

2 hours ago, cooked said:

The wall is being built right now by the military

No it is not.

Current border barriers previously funded in FY 2017-2018 are being built by contractors.

The funding being debated now is for FY 2019.

[spidermike007]

Trump will forever be cast as the villian, when it comes to the shutdown, since 70% of Americans do not think we can afford, nor do we need the silly wall. He is digging the hole deeper by the day. 400,000 -800,000 people out of work is going to come back and bite him on the butt. Now, if he offered to pay them a salary out of his own pocket, while they were off work, he might get some sympathy. But, we all know he does not have a charitable heart. Congress is in control now and it is a whole different ball game, now that you have a group representing the majority, like it or not. Congress does not even have to address the wall, which is a waste of time and money. Well, Trump has been dictating policy. Now congress at least has to try to instill some reason and take the infantile emotionalism out of the process. At least there are some adults in congress now. 

[wwest5829]

4 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Sign it trump and let people get back to their lives. 

 

You have no mandate for a tax-payer funded folly of a wall. 

He has no mandate at any rate. The majority of eligible voters either voted for someone else or stayed home.

[Skeptic7]

At approx 2:07...'I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not going to blame you for it'. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/11/nancy-pelosi-chuck-schumer-let-trump-take-responsibility-for-shutdown.html

[Dumbastheycome]

4 hours ago, bristolboy said:

So your claim is that the country is divided 50/50 about Trump? Really?

Or is the inference that the many (majority ? ) who do not support Trump will also become antagonistic towards the Dems because of the compounding effects of a prolonged  shutdown? The propoganda  machines  will be working at full speed on  both sides  to allocate  blame.

This pathetic showdown over a token and ineffective wall is only going to do damage all round.

 

[keemapoot]

6 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Or is the inference that the many (majority ? ) who do not support Trump will also become antagonistic towards the Dems because of the compounding effects of a prolonged  shutdown? The propoganda  machines  will be working at full speed on  both sides  to allocate  blame.

This pathetic showdown over a token and ineffective wall is only going to do damage all round.

 

I think we're already seeing Trump today trying to weasel out of this and make it look like a win. He's now referring to the "wall" as a "barrier" and even "border security," so that he seems to know he can't win this unless he re-characterizes this to "border security," something all have been willing to support from the beginning. I think he will end up having to settle for about $2 billion for "border security," which nobody is opposed to, and will have make concessions on DACA, etc..  

 

So, look for Trump to slime his way around to no longer calling this a wall, (though that got him in big trouble last time with Ann Coulter, etc., but even his Co-President (Sean Hannity) is now looking to be advising this.

[White Christmas13]

4 hours ago, Berkshire said:

So where do YOU get your news?

I guess he has a crystal ball 

[Jingthing]

The dear leader is shutting the government down so that he can continue to get applause for saying build that wall at his neo fascist never ending campaign rallies. Pathetic. Time for Republicans to finally wake up and toss out the loser.

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[Jingthing]

Or is the inference that the many (majority ? ) who do not support Trump will also become antagonistic towards the Dems because of the compounding effects of a prolonged  shutdown? The propoganda  machines  will be working at full speed on  both sides  to allocate  blame.
This pathetic showdown over a token and ineffective wall is only going to do damage all round.
 

Sorry. "trump" owns the shutdown.

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[direction BANGKOK]

It seems like he put himself in a spot where all his opposition had to do is sit on their bums and do nothing, and Trump looks worse everyday.

[Thakkar]

 

 

Trump’s crack team of Border Wall negotiators. They will be sent south of the border to convince Mexico toupee.

 

I will take my coat and leave now.

[connda]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

U.S. House passes bills that would end government shutdown, without wall funds

...which will not get through the Senate and would be vetoed if it did.

Looking forward to 2 years of legislative gridlock and partisan infighting, bickering, and humorous tweets.

[rgraham]

Whether the dimwits realize it or not the southern border of the US is much too porous and needs to be sealed. It will be interesting to see how this plays out with an extreme liberal supposedly leading the representatives, we can only hope that the Senate has a better balance and a semblance of common sense.

[mcambl61]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

rational border security

i have heard this several times with zero actual details.

 

what precisely does it entail and what evidence is there from CBP that it is the most useful?

[Jingthing]

Whether the dimwits realize it or not the southern border of the US is much too porous and needs to be sealed. It will be interesting to see how this plays out with an extreme liberal supposedly leading the representatives, we can only hope that the Senate has a better balance and a semblance of common sense.

You don't get it. It's not going to happen. Let it go.

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[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, rgraham said:

Whether the dimwits realize it or not the southern border of the US is much too porous and needs to be sealed. It will be interesting to see how this plays out with an extreme liberal supposedly leading the representatives, we can only hope that the Senate has a better balance and a semblance of common sense.

It would take a dimwit to believe that the Southern Border can be sealed by anything short of the kind of security system you find in North Korea.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, mcambl61 said:

i have heard this several times with zero actual details.

 

what precisely does it entail and what evidence is there from CBP that it is the most useful?

Both sides of the political divide in Congress agreed and voted in support of this.

 

By al means seek to find the details (you can do that yourself, nobody here owes you the details), but don’t make out that the details have not been discussed and received bipartisan support in the House.

[Tug]

I’m expecting the mother of all tantrums soon he is losing this one he is more off the rails every day