Britons would now vote to stay in EU, want second referendum: poll

[Spidey]

2 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

 

I can assure you no one detests, derides and distrusts politicians more than I do and that includes Nigel Farage.

 

And I will not even use that left wing rag the Daily Mail to wipe my arse on even when the day arrives that the shops finally run out of toilet paper.

 

Like many in Europe I now support the populous nationalist movement that is spreading the continent in reaction to the globalism that the political elite are trying to force down our throats. You live in Thailand so you are immune to what is going on back home.

 

Don't believe everything you read in the Daily Mail, or hear on the BBC and Sky News or whatever it is that floats your boat living in the LOS.

Whooa! Daily Mail a left wing rag? You really do lead a sheltered life. 555 Where do you get your facts? Breitbart?

 

"Like many in Europe I now support the populous nationalist movement that is spreading the continent"

 

Ah yes, nationalistic socialists. often abbreviated to Nazi's. Generally racist, violent, neo Nazis, particularly in Germany and Eastern Europe, who pray and plan for the day when the Fourth Reich rises, like a phoenix, from the ashes they were left in after WW2.

[yogi100]

49 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

 

The fact is that the UK is in its current state of decay not because we were part of the EU, but because we have elected successive Tory and Labour governments who have stolen and pillaged everything that was once great about Great Britain, ensuring the almost non stop transfer of our collective wealth into the hands of a very small pool of people. You have every right to be angry about the state of the country, but your anger is directed at the wrong target. What Brexit is doing is further protecting these parasites and ensuring the continuation of their abuses of you and your descendants - and Brexiteers are their unwitting foot soldiers. 

Bang on the nail.

 

But I see what's going on first hand rather than read what the reporters say about it in papers and on the TV which is probably how you've been influenced over the last few years.

 

You'll learn nothing about life in the UK today from the media. Go there and try and get a job and somewhere to live and then pass comment. Nothing beats first hand experience.

[Spidey]

3 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

You'll learn nothing about life in the UK today from the media. Go there and try and get a job and somewhere to live and then pass comment. Nothing beats first hand experience.

My wife and 2 children still live in the UK. I visit regularly. They all have good jobs and are white British. 

 

The main reason that young Brits can't get a job is because they did nothing but dick about at school and now can't be bothered to get off their lazy <deleted> an find work. Not that they really want a job as that would involve that dirty word, work. Something that Europeans who come to the UK are far less frightened of.

 

You really do spend too much time watching Tommy Robinson videos, a workshy, wife beater, who has never done a decent days work in his life. He has managed to amass an unenviable criminal record though, I suppose that's an achievement of sorts.

[Snow Leopard]

59 minutes ago, Spidey said:

My wife and 2 children still live in the UK. I visit regularly. They all have good jobs and are white British. 

 

The main reason that young Brits can't get a job is because they did nothing but dick about at school and now can't be bothered to get off their lazy <deleted> an find work. Not that they really want a job as that would involve that dirty word, work. Something that Europeans who come to the UK are far less frightened of.

 

You really do spend too much time watching Tommy Robinson videos, a workshy, wife beater, who has never done a decent days work in his life. He has managed to amass an unenviable criminal record though, I suppose that's an achievement of sorts.

I bet that they love you live and work in Thailand.

[billd766]

12 hours ago, baboon said:

Fair enough, Bill. But I warned you about Prayuth and I told you this time last year that Trump's Korean war would not happen. You cannot deny I was correct, not that I am trying to score points from you.

But please! I respect your view that we should leave the EU. However, I caution you against standing behind Rees-Mogg, Johnson, Gove et al. They are nothing but scoundrels, wreckers, liars...

 

I am well aware we do not share the same politics, but I urge you to take into serious consideration my point of view.

Thanks.

 

Trump I think has lost the plot completely and the only thing I accept as the truth from him is that his name IS Donald Trump and unfortunately he is the POTUS.

 

I voted to leave the EU back in 2016 but I am not standing behind Rees-Mogg, Johnson, Gove et al. Over the last couple of years I have little but contempt for 90 odd% of politicians in the UK, the USA and especially the mob that are running Thailand now.

 

Actually I do take your point of view into consideration as you are one of the most sensible posters on TVF.

 

Have a great day and if you find one please let me know as I could do with a good day too.

 

Bill

[dick dasterdly]

14 hours ago, Grouse said:

 

watch what people post. That way you will know. I'm pro EU on balance, but listen to all views 

 

There are no Pro Brexit experts; obviously!

"watch what people post. That way you will know. I'm pro EU on balance, but listen to all views"

 

What do you mean by "I'm pro EU on balance, but listen to all views"??

 

You were pro eu prior to the referendum and, as far as I can see, haven't changed your opinion an inch despite the many posts re. democracy etc.

 

Instead you have changed your argument from the reasons why you believe it is better to stay within the eu, to (mostly) 'we have a parliamentary representative democracy'!

 

I, on the other hand, was 'on the fence' prior to the referendum - but have changed my views as a result of everything that has happened since.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, baboon said:

 

Absolutely brilliant.

 

Thank you Dan and Dan.

 

2 hours ago, yogi100 said:

 

Few people are going to pay much attention to what a couple of what look like bearded second generation Muslims have to say. They look like cronies of Jhadi John and like they've just returned from serving ISIS.

 

They (or he) looks like many of the folk singers that I used to listen to many years ago and nothing remotely like bearded second generation Muslims.

[BobBKK]

The point is simple:

 

1/ the people voted by a very slim margin to leave

2/ things have changed since that vote and May does not have control of Parliament

 

As things now look so different and we cannot get the deal we want we should RE-VOTE  just as we RE-VOTE at elections if the leaver win fair enough

[dick dasterdly]

2 hours ago, yogi100 said:

 

I can assure you no one detests, derides and distrusts politicians more than I do and that includes Nigel Farage.

 

And I will not even use that left wing rag the Daily Mail to wipe my arse on even when the day arrives that the shops finally run out of toilet paper.

 

Like many in Europe I now support the populous nationalist movement that is spreading the continent in reaction to the globalism that the political elite are trying to force down our throats. You live in Thailand so you are immune to what is going on back home.

 

Don't believe everything you read in the Daily Mail, or hear on the BBC and Sky News or whatever it is that floats your boat living in the LOS.

I agree with everything you say BUT , the Daily Mail, Express etc. rags are certainly not left wing!

[billd766]

28 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

The point is simple:

 

1/ the people voted by a very slim margin to leave

2/ things have changed since that vote and May does not have control of Parliament

 

As things now look so different and we cannot get the deal we want we should RE-VOTE  just as we RE-VOTE at elections if the leaver win fair enough

In every General election the only time that votes are recounted are at that time and if the recount is accepted the winner is declared, EVEN if it is only by 1 VOTE.

[nontabury]

2 hours ago, Spidey said:

My wife and 2 children still live in the UK. I visit regularly. They all have good jobs and are white British. 

 

The main reason that young Brits can't get a job is because they did nothing but dick about at school and now can't be bothered to get off their lazy <deleted> an find work. Not that they really want a job as that would involve that dirty word, work. Something that Europeans who come to the UK are far less frightened of.

 

You really do spend too much time watching Tommy Robinson videos, a workshy, wife beater, who has never done a decent days work in his life. He has managed to amass an unenviable criminal record though, I suppose that's an achievement of sorts.

As someone who actually lives in the U.K. I can assure you that your post is absolutely B.S.

While yes there is an element of the population, who are lazy,and often on drugs, and prefer to scrounge off the Tax payers, they are thankfully in the minority.What we do lack in the U.K is an ability by the authorities/ parliament to plan for the future. Examples being shortage of Doctors,nurses and qualified teachers. But not to worry we are producing a never ending supply of Media students, social workers and an increasing none productive Bureaucracy.

[nontabury]

53 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

The point is simple:

 

1/ the people voted by a very slim margin to leave

2/ things have changed since that vote and May does not have control of Parliament

 

As things now look so different and we cannot get the deal we want we should RE-VOTE  just as we RE-VOTE at elections if the leaver win fair enough

Correct, there has been a noticeable increase in the numbers of people who now want to leave this so called union.

 

[Snow Leopard]

8 minutes ago, nontabury said:

As someone who actually lives in the U.K. I can assure you that your post is absolutely B.S.

While yes there is an element of the population, who are lazy,and often on drugs, and prefer to scrounge off the Tax payers, they are thankfully in the minority.What we do lack in the U.K is an ability by the authorities/ parliament to plan for the future. Examples being shortage of Doctors,nurses and qualified teachers. But not to worry we are producing a never ending supply of Media students, social workers and an increasing none productive Bureaucracy.

Well said. I was 51% leave and 49% stay in my opinion on the referendum. So pretty much on the fence. What edged it for me was our young people. They deserve a better chance and they have been let down by all governments over many years along with many stupid EU laws. Jobs need to be created for Brits. This will be a long painful process but any long journey starts with one footstep. Not everyone needs a degree. Brits can wash cars just as well as Bulgarians. 

[Spidey]

1 hour ago, Snow Leopard said:

I bet that they love you live and work in Thailand.

I don't work in Thailand, I'm retired and, yes, the do still love me.

[Spidey]

5 minutes ago, Snow Leopard said:

Brits can wash cars just as well as Bulgarians. 

Problem is, they refuse to do it.

[Spidey]

16 minutes ago, nontabury said:

Correct, there has been a noticeable increase in the numbers of people who now want to leave this so called union.

 

Only on TV. Not with the British public. Don't confuse the 2. 555

[Snow Leopard]

14 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Problem is, they refuse to do it.

Pass laws that make them do it. 

[Spidey]

Just now, Snow Leopard said:

Pass laws that make them do it. 

To some extent they have. Unemployment benefit changed to Jobseekers allowance. To collect their benefit, they now have to prove that they are actively seeking work. Unfortunately, the "disaffected youth" are lazy but they aren't stupid. They have found a number of ruses to get round this.

[bristolboy]

32 minutes ago, Snow Leopard said:

Well said. I was 51% leave and 49% stay in my opinion on the referendum. So pretty much on the fence. What edged it for me was our young people. They deserve a better chance and they have been let down by all governments over many years along with many stupid EU laws. Jobs need to be created for Brits. This will be a long painful process but any long journey starts with one footstep. Not everyone needs a degree. Brits can wash cars just as well as Bulgarians. 

To judge by the vote, those young people overwhelmingly disagree with you

[yogi100]

2 hours ago, BobBKK said:

The point is simple:

 

1/ the people voted by a very slim margin to leave

2/ things have changed since that vote and May does not have control of Parliament

 

As things now look so different and we cannot get the deal we want we should RE-VOTE  just as we RE-VOTE at elections if the leaver win fair enough

You might call 1,269,501 a very slim margin but many might disagree with you.

 

It is still over one and a quarter million more people who wanted out than there were who wanted to stay in.

[beautifulthailand99]

3 hours ago, Spidey said:

My wife and 2 children still live in the UK. I visit regularly. They all have good jobs and are white British. 

 

The main reason that young Brits can't get a job is because they did nothing but dick about at school and now can't be bothered to get off their lazy <deleted> an find work. Not that they really want a job as that would involve that dirty word, work. Something that Europeans who come to the UK are far less frightened of.

 

You really do spend too much time watching Tommy Robinson videos, a workshy, wife beater, who has never done a decent days work in his life. He has managed to amass an unenviable criminal record though, I suppose that's an achievement of sorts.

2

As somebody who actually lives in the UK  I say well said that man now let's all have a football chat to the tune of Football's Coming Home  - we're stayin in . we're stayin in - We are staying in. 

 

"United in diversity"

[Spidey]

4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

"United in diversity"

This is something people tend to forget. Britain has been subject to many waves of immigrants over the last thousand years and more. All from different ethnicities, cultures and religions. All have added to the culture that we now call British. Jewish bankers and showbiz artists, Irish pubs (what Englishman hasn't gone down to his local Irish pub on ST. Patrick's day for a few swallies?), Indian Restaurants, Chinese restaurants, Reggae music, they are now part of the culture of Great Britain.

 

Denigrating the flood of Poles always makes me laugh. A large wave of Poles flooded the UK after WW2. My local Catholic Cathedral has held a weekly Polish Mass since the 1950s. One of my school friends was 2nd generation Polish, Zenick Popovich. These people were welcomed back then (except in Yorkshire 555), they assimilated into society, added to it. I can remember a Polish woman opening a delicatessen, in my home town, around 1960. It sold a whole host of things that we provincials had never seen before. Salamis, sauerkraut, fresh chillis and a wide range of spices that we couldn't pronounce the names of. Walking into her shop, you were hit by wonderful aromas that took you to places that you'd only seen in the cinema. One of my abiding childhood memories.

 

Britain is a multi cultural country, always has been and long may it remain so. We have a long history of welcoming refugees, as has the USA, please don't go down the route that Trump is taking the US down and become an isolationist, xenophobic society. 

[melvinmelvin]

16 minutes ago, Spidey said:

This is something people tend to forget. Britain has been subject to many waves of immigrants over the last thousand years and more. All from different ethnicities, cultures and religions. All have added to the culture that we now call British. Jewish bankers and showbiz artists, Irish pubs (what Englishman hasn't gone down to his local Irish pub on ST. Patrick's day for a few swallies?), Indian Restaurants, Chinese restaurants, Reggae music, they are now part of the culture of Great Britain.

 

Denigrating the flood of Poles always makes me laugh. A large wave of Poles flooded the UK after WW2. My local Catholic Cathedral has held a weekly Polish Mass since the 1950s. One of my school friends was 2nd generation Polish, Zenick Popovich. These people were welcomed back then (except in Yorkshire 555), they assimilated into society, added to it. I can remember a Polish woman opening a delicatessen, in my home town, around 1960. It sold a whole host of things that we provincials had never seen before. Salamis, sauerkraut, fresh chillis and a wide range of spices that we couldn't pronounce the names of. Walking into her shop, you were hit by wonderful aromas that took you to places that you'd only seen in the cinema. One of my abiding childhood memories.

 

Britain is a multi cultural country, always has been and long may it remain so. We have a long history of welcoming refugees, as has the USA, please don't go down the route that Trump is taking the US down and become an isolationist, xenophobic society. 

you go back 1000 years or more

and you don't mention vikings

 

I feel left out, stepped on, disappointed, omitted, neglected and what have you .. .

 

[bomber]

2 hours ago, nontabury said:

As someone who actually lives in the U.K. I can assure you that your post is absolutely B.S.

While yes there is an element of the population, who are lazy,and often on drugs, and prefer to scrounge off the Tax payers, they are thankfully in the minority.What we do lack in the U.K is an ability by the authorities/ parliament to plan for the future. Examples being shortage of Doctors,nurses and qualified teachers. But not to worry we are producing a never ending supply of Media students, social workers and an increasing none productive Bureaucracy.

i dont get this shortage of doctors,teachers,nurses BS,yes it would be nice to have 1 doctor for every 10 inhabitants and classes of 10 instead of 30 but thats a expensive pipe dream that a bankrupt benefits scrounging nation cannot afford,you have been listening to too many Labour party speeches,never mind brexit might deliver your dream as JC will be the next PM,not sure where the funds will come from for it,

[Spidey]

Just now, melvinmelvin said:

you go back 1000 years or more

and you don't mention vikings

 

I feel left out, stepped on, disappointed, omitted, neglected and what have you .. .

 

Sorry, personally, I don't like the term "Vikings" I prefer Norsemen. They came over and raped and pillaged our women with impunity (your interest has now shifted to Thailand, thankfully), leaving a significant amount of their DNA in the blood of present day Brits. Several of our days of the week are named after Norse gods and many place names are Norse.

 

So , yes, welcome cousin, you have played a big part in what makes British people British.

[melvinmelvin]

13 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Sorry, personally, I don't like the term "Vikings" I prefer Norsemen. They came over and raped and pillaged our women with impunity (your interest has now shifted to Thailand, thankfully), leaving a significant amount of their DNA in the blood of present day Brits. Several of our days of the week are named after Norse gods and many place names are Norse.

 

So , yes, welcome cousin, you have played a big part in what makes British people British.

agree, norsemen is better

from what I remember from my schooldays the "vikings" didn't refer to themselves as vikings

 

however, when they popped across to "UK" on the ferry in order to nick female slaves

they went on viking

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

31 minutes ago, bomber said:

i dont get this shortage of doctors,teachers,nurses BS,yes it would be nice to have 1 doctor for every 10 inhabitants and classes of 10 instead of 30 but thats a expensive pipe dream that a bankrupt benefits scrounging nation cannot afford,you have been listening to too many Labour party speeches,never mind brexit might deliver your dream as JC will be the next PM,not sure where the funds will come from for it,

qualified nurses can be had reasonably cheap from PI

qualified physicians, reasonably cheap from Russia

 

[bomber]

22 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

qualified nurses can be had reasonably cheap from PI

qualified physicians, reasonably cheap from Russia

 

Same same tattie pickers from poland/romania,soon to be replaced with ex JAL nissan toyota bmw airbus workers,not sure how they will take to working for 50% less

[CG1 Blue]

6 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

My post included a link and some text from a UK Gov commissioned report which showed that EU migrants are net contributors to the UK economy.

I've seen those stats before.  But I don't think they take into account the migrants' use of services such as the NHS and schools and the inherent cost of this.

 

Also the fact is that most of the Eastern European migrants send a lot of the money they earn back to their home countries. That money is therefore taken out of our economy. If the jobs they are doing were taken by UK citizens those citizens would spend that money in the UK, helping our economy. 

[CG1 Blue]

3 hours ago, Spidey said:

3 hours ago, Snow Leopard said:

Brits can wash cars just as well as Bulgarians. 

Problem is, they refuse to do it.

When those production line style hand car wash places first started appearing (maybe 20 years ago) they mostly were staffed by young British lads. They are now all staffed by Eastern Europeans. I disagree that the Brits refuse to do those jobs. It's just that a Bulgarian man is willing to work for a British lads wages. 

 

On the whole immigration has been good for the UK, and always will be. But not at the levels we've seen since FOM was introduced, and the expansion of the EU to the east.