Britons would now vote to stay in EU, want second referendum: poll

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Also the fact is that most of the Eastern European migrants send a lot of the money they earn back to their home countries. That money is therefore taken out of our economy. If the jobs they are doing were taken by UK citizens those citizens would spend that money in the UK, helping our economy. 

Therefore what's your view of the income British workers make abroad? Say working in IT in other countries or perhaps working in the oil fields?

 

What is your view towards British pensioners in Thailand, who take their pension money from UK and spend those moneys, which should stay in circulation inside UK, and spend their pensions in Thailand? Isn't that likewise bad for UK's economy and therefore probably should be disallowed?

[Mavideol]

The reason Britts complain about foreigners still jobs from them it's a punch of krap.... Britts don't want to work, they only want a JOB not work, but preferable a job requiring sitting in the office all day and end of the week, collect pay check.....foreigners will do any type of work to survive and feed their families, Britts don't want these types of jobs, the ones where they may get dirty hands and dirty cloths, if so they can't go to the pub and have a couple pints, all the blame on foreigners it's an easy escape, they don't have to face the reality

[AlexRich]

51 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

I've seen those stats before.  But I don't think they take into account the migrants' use of services such as the NHS and schools and the inherent cost of this.

 

Also the fact is that most of the Eastern European migrants send a lot of the money they earn back to their home countries. That money is therefore taken out of our economy. If the jobs they are doing were taken by UK citizens those citizens would spend that money in the UK, helping our economy. 

It’s very important to have someone to blame for all the ills in society ... it’s all the fault of foreigners. If we just kick them out then everyone can live in harmony and prosperity ... with their pet unicorn.

 

The same language used in 1930’s Germany ... didn’t end well.

[billd766]

30 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Therefore what's your view of the income British workers make abroad? Say working in IT in other countries or perhaps working in the oil fields?

 

What is your view towards British pensioners in Thailand, who take their pension money from UK and spend those moneys, which should stay in circulation inside UK, and spend their pensions in Thailand? Isn't that likewise bad for UK's economy and therefore probably should be disallowed?

 

Most British pensioners still pay tax on their incomes and will do until the day they die. In effect I am partly paying for my FROZEN State pension.

 

As a British State pensioner I am not entitled to any of the benefits that British pensioners get in the UK and also in the EU who get equal benefits as the EU but also take their pensions out of the UK and spend it to the benefit of the EU.

[Spidey]

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Most British pensioners still pay tax on their incomes and will do until the day they die. In effect I am partly paying for my FROZEN State pension.

 

As a British State pensioner I am not entitled to any of the benefits that British pensioners get in the UK and also in the EU who get equal benefits as the EU but also take their pensions out of the UK and spend it to the benefit of the EU.

I live in Thailand and my pension isn't frozen and I'm entitled to all the benefits.

[billd766]

2 minutes ago, Spidey said:

I live in Thailand and my pension isn't frozen and I'm entitled to all the benefits.

But have you informed the DWP where you live in Thailand and how long you have been here, or are you still registered as living in the UK at the same address as your family?

[Spidey]

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

But have you informed the DWP where you live in Thailand and how long you have been here, or are you still registered as living in the UK at the same address as your family?

You're on the right lines but I have a different address in the UK to my family.

 

I was briefly on Disability Living Allowance in the UK, 12 years ago, phoned the DWP several times to tell them that I no longer qualified. Didn't cancel it for 5 years until I reached my 60th birthday. Not going to phone them again, waste of time.

[CG1 Blue]

51 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Therefore what's your view of the income British workers make abroad? Say working in IT in other countries or perhaps working in the oil fields?

 

What is your view towards British pensioners in Thailand, who take their pension money from UK and spend those moneys, which should stay in circulation inside UK, and spend their pensions in Thailand? Isn't that likewise bad for UK's economy and therefore probably should be disallowed?

Most Brits I know who work abroad spend their money on living in that country. My brother works and lives in Singapore. He doesn't send all his earnings back to England. It's a totally different thing. 

As for pensioners living in Thailand, they have presumably worked most of their lives in the UK, paid their way and contributed to the UK economy for decades.  They have earned the right to enjoy retirement abroad. Plus the fact they still pay tax on their UK pensions. Again, not a good comparison. 

[tebee]

2 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

qualified nurses can be had reasonably cheap from PI

qualified physicians, reasonably cheap from Russia

 

But nurses and the lower levels of Dr don't make enough (30k) to get a visa to work in the UK under the government's new immigration rules.

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

 

Also the fact is that most of the Eastern European migrants send a lot of the money they earn back to their home countries. That money is therefore taken out of our economy.

What a shame they can decide themselves what they wanna do with their hard earned money. How about all those Western European migrants in Thailand, Singapore etc.? Shouldn’t they be forced to eat more Pad Thai instead of putting their money offshore? Wanna know where half my net free cash flow goes? I benefit from low taxes and low cost of living here. After moving half my money back home every year I benefit from not being taxed there anymore. Time for Big Joke to step in. 

 

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

If the jobs they are doing were taken by UK citizens those citizens would spend that money in the UK, helping our economy. 

Truth is there is a shortage for many jobs. You need immigrants. And the U.K. isn’t alone there. Germany is the same for example. Our societies are getting older and older, and more and more people are getting uni degrees rather than learning blue collar or care jobs. But then some idiots who have learned nothing shout “go home”. Wondering who will clean their asses when they are old. Probably not a white blue-eyed Christian. 

[tebee]

5 hours ago, nontabury said:

Correct, there has been a noticeable increase in the numbers of people who now want to leave this so called union.

 

Well in that case you should be happy to have another referendum to confirm it .

 

[tebee]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

I've seen those stats before.  But I don't think they take into account the migrants' use of services such as the NHS and schools and the inherent cost of this.

 

 

It did take into account those costs.

 

Indeed, what other costs are there to having them here ?

[melvinmelvin]

19 minutes ago, tebee said:

But nurses and the lower levels of Dr don't make enough (30k) to get a visa to work in the UK under the government's new immigration rules.

no sweat tebee,

just let the elderly, the ailed and those in need in UK perish without help

 

will just cost you a bob or 2 in digging some graves

 

 

[bkkcanuck8]

7 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

no sweat tebee,

just let the elderly, the ailed and those in need in UK perish without help

 

will just cost you a bob or 2 in digging some graves

 

 

Will still need immigrants to dig some graves ????

[Spidey]

34 minutes ago, tebee said:

But nurses and the lower levels of Dr don't make enough (30k) to get a visa to work in the UK under the government's new immigration rules.

Everyone is forgetting why there is a shortage of nurses. 

 

Back in the day, nurses were trained in schools of nursing, which were attached to hospitals. Students joined at 16 and underwent 3 years training (with pay) which included lots of on the job training and produced excellent nurses. My wife went through that system and swears it produced better quality nurses than any superseding system. It was a very popular vocation and there was always stiff competition for places.

 

This system was superseded, when it was decided that nurses needed a university degree. Schools of nursing were closed and responsibility for training was given over to universities. To ensure the necessary uptake, the government of the day waived student fees and even gave grants to those taking nursing degrees. Recruiting remained suitably high although the quality of nurses coming out of the system dropped. Less on the job training.

 

In the late 2000s, when the Conservative government came to power, grants were stopped. Then 4 years later they decided that student nurses should pay tuition fees, the same as all other students. As it's a relatively difficult and arduous degree to complete, uptake for nursing degree courses dropped like a stone, producing a massive shortfall in nurses coming through the system.

 

Nurses were recruited from throughout the EU and beyond. My daughter supervise a group of 12 Spanish nurses being assimilated into her hospital. In her own words, they were next to useless. After 2 years only one remained in the UK. Now they are recruited from all over the globe and again, in my daughter's words, worse than useless, a bloody liability, downright dangerous. This has been compounded by the government continuously cutting the funding for nurses, meaning that hospitals can't afford the required number of nurses on the wards. Also the Conservative government has severely restricted the pay increases for nurses for nurses, for several years it was zero. This caused many, high quality, senior nurses to leave the NHS.

 

Don't blame the immigrants for a lack of quality nurses on your hospital wards, the blame lies fairly and squarely with the Conservative government.

[pedro01]

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

The reason Britts complain about foreigners still jobs from them it's a punch of krap.... Britts don't want to work, they only want a JOB not work, but preferable a job requiring sitting in the office all day and end of the week, collect pay check.....foreigners will do any type of work to survive and feed their families, Britts don't want these types of jobs, the ones where they may get dirty hands and dirty cloths, if so they can't go to the pub and have a couple pints, all the blame on foreigners it's an easy escape, they don't have to face the reality

 

This is total, unsubstantiated nonsense.

 

 

[baboon]

6 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Everyone is forgetting why there is a shortage of nurses. 

 

Back in the day, nurses were trained in schools of nursing, which were attached to hospitals. Students joined at 16 and underwent 3 years training (with pay) which included lots of on the job training and produced excellent nurses. My wife went through that system and swears it produced better quality nurses than any superseding system. It was a very popular vocation and there was always stiff competition for places.

 

This system was superseded, when it was decided that nurses needed a university degree. Schools of nursing were closed and responsibility for training was given over to universities. To ensure the necessary uptake, the government of the day waived student fees and even gave grants to those taking nursing degrees. Recruiting remained suitably high although the quality of nurses coming out of the system dropped. Less on the job training.

 

In the late 2000s, when the Conservative government came to power, grants were stopped. Then 4 years later they decided that student nurses should pay tuition fees, the same as all other students. As it's a relatively difficult and arduous degree to complete, uptake for nursing degree courses dropped like a stone, producing a massive shortfall in nurses coming through the system.

 

Nurses were recruited from throughout the EU and beyond. My daughter supervise a group of 12 Spanish nurses being assimilated into her hospital. In her own words, they were next to useless. After 2 years only one remained in the UK. Now they are recruited from all over the globe and again, in my daughter's words, worse than useless, a bloody liability, downright dangerous. This has been compounded by the government continuously cutting the funding for nurses, meaning that hospitals can't afford the required number of nurses on the wards. Also the Conservative government has severely restricted the pay increases for nurses for nurses, for several years it was zero. This caused many, high quality, senior nurses to leave the NHS.

 

Don't blame the immigrants for a lack of quality nurses on your hospital wards, the blame lies fairly and squarely with the Conservative government.

In the words of my (white British) chemo nurse: ' If I knew then what I know now, I would never have gone into nursing. I'm only here now because I am too old for anyone to want me abroad, or do anything else.'

[Jack100]

Boris would make a great Prime Minister - Trump said so ?

[melvinmelvin]

54 minutes ago, Jack100 said:

Boris would make a great Prime Minister - Trump said so ?

yes

and Farage should be the UK ambassador to US, Trump said so

 

 

[bkkcanuck8]

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

yes

and Farage should be the UK ambassador to US, Trump said so

 

 

Exactly what Trump wants - to rule the old empire and bring Britain back into the empire but under his control now ????

[beautifulthailand99]

7 hours ago, oilinki said:

Therefore what's your view of the income British workers make abroad? Say working in IT in other countries or perhaps working in the oil fields?

 

What is your view towards British pensioners in Thailand, who take their pension money from UK and spend those moneys, which should stay in circulation inside UK, and spend their pensions in Thailand? Isn't that likewise bad for UK's economy and therefore probably should be disallowed?

it's frozen - but in the case of a hard brexit where economies need to be made I would do an emergency budget and slice 10% of UK pensions of expats to help control capital flows and others have said isn't being spent to benefit the UK economy.  That would go nicely with a 35 baht pound and concentrate the minds of our resident pound shop Tommy Robinson's busily waving the flag on the bar stool of an anti-democratic military dictatorship.  Oh and make sure if they get sick and slink back home the 6-month rule to be vigorously enforced. They could do some tatty picking might chuck a 20-year-old caravan in as well as they are showing willing - making Britain Great Again. 

[beautifulthailand99]

7 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

Most British pensioners still pay tax on their incomes and will do until the day they die. In effect I am partly paying for my FROZEN State pension.

 

As a British State pensioner I am not entitled to any of the benefits that British pensioners get in the UK and also in the EU who get equal benefits as the EU but also take their pensions out of the UK and spend it to the benefit of the EU.

Your bed, you chose it stop moaning - you can always come home and help make Britain Great again rather than pontificating to virtually no-one from Nakhon Nowhere - in the Land of Democracy and transparent government. 

[beautifulthailand99]

7 hours ago, billd766 said:

But have you informed the DWP where you live in Thailand and how long you have been here, or are you still registered as living in the UK at the same address as your family?

Up to him - his bizzyness. More sneaks on here than a Nike store. 

[SheungWan]

15 hours ago, yogi100 said:

 'Scab' is the common term for those who work cheaply and as a consequence cause others to lose their jobs. It's a term that's been in common use for over 100 years.

It originated with members of trades unions and the Labour Party. It's now used in exactly the same circumstances ie when referring to those willing to work for less than local people thereby threatening and often destroying their livelihood and ultimately their work ethic. 

Explain what lies I've told and what I've said that is 'racist'. These Eastern Europeans look like us, are of the same colour and are of the same 'race'. How can someone possibly be a 'racist' when criticising the consequences of the actions of folk who are of the same race as him or herself.

I'm not being facetious, I sincerely and truly want to know how or why it's 'racist'! Please explain why as I really resent being called a 'racist' for no valid reason.

You must realise that calling people such names means nothing any more and fails to stifle debate because folk like you have abused it. Like the boy who cried wolf.

Complete nonsense of course. The word 'scab' is used to describe a strikebreaker. What you will find without exception is that the hard right have always supported strikebreakers and certainly did during the Miners Strike of 1984. However, the above is an attempt by the loony tunes right to replace labour history issues with a nationalist narrative. An echo of past historical differences between socialism and national socialism and the sort of junk peddled by BNP-type supporters. The cap fits.

[nontabury]

2 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Complete nonsense of course. The word 'scab' is used to describe a strikebreaker. What you will find without exception is that the hard right have always supported strikebreakers and certainly did during the Miners Strike of 1984. However, the above is an attempt by the loony tunes right to replace labour history issues with a nationalist narrative. An echo of past historical differences between socialism and national socialism and the sort of junk peddled by BNP-type supporters. The cap fits.

Well as someone who actually lived in a miners area( Cortonwood Collier, Brampton Beirlow, look up the significance ) during this period, I accuse you of spouting complete nonsense. But then what do we expect from someone who has never travelled north of Watford.

[Spidey]

14 minutes ago, nontabury said:

Well as someone who actually lived in a miners area( Cortonwood Collier, Brampton Beirlow, look up the significance ) during this period, I accuse you of spouting complete nonsense. But then what do we expect from someone who has never travelled north of Watford.

So, did you support the miners strike?

 

Scab is specifically used to describe a strikebreaker, but never heard of the hard right supporting the strike.

[nontabury]

35 minutes ago, Spidey said:

So, did you support the miners strike?

 

Scab is specifically used to describe a strikebreaker, but never heard of the hard right supporting the strike.

I stayed neutral,as I could see both sides of the argument. Never saw any sign of the hard right. It was all down to the Government,with the efforts of the police. In fact certain ares of the country, were turned into a police state. With the police being used as a very effective boarder control on the A1 at Blyth. 

 Now many years later,there is still much bitterness towards the police in certain communities. Let’s hope the establishment are not successful in overturning the Democratic Briexit vote. As I can image it will turn out even more violent.

Your description of a scab is correct.

 

[yogi100]

11 hours ago, Spidey said:

I live in Thailand and my pension isn't frozen and I'm entitled to all the benefits.

 

Sssh!

[yogi100]

1 hour ago, nontabury said:

Well as someone who actually lived in a miners area( Cortonwood Collier, Brampton Beirlow, look up the significance ) during this period, I accuse you of spouting complete nonsense. But then what do we expect from someone who has never travelled north of Watford.

 

Nor probably had to do a proper day's work in her life

[yogi100]

10 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

What a shame they can decide themselves what they wanna do with their hard earned money. How about all those Western European migrants in Thailand, Singapore etc.? Shouldn’t they be forced to eat more Pad Thai instead of putting their money offshore? Wanna know where half my net free cash flow goes? I benefit from low taxes and low cost of living here. After moving half my money back home every year I benefit from not being taxed there anymore. Time for Big Joke to step in. 

 

Truth is there is a shortage for many jobs. You need immigrants. And the U.K. isn’t alone there. Germany is the same for example. Our societies are getting older and older, and more and more people are getting uni degrees rather than learning blue collar or care jobs. But then some idiots who have learned nothing shout “go home”. Wondering who will clean their asses when they are old. Probably not a white blue-eyed Christian. 

 

"Wondering who will clean their asses when they are old. Probably not a white blue-eyed Christian." 

 

You'll have your work seriously cut out even finding a white blue-eyed Christian these days especially in London. I know it's not the whole of the UK but what transpires in the most densely populated capital city in the UK and probably in Europe gradually spreads nationwide.

 

My Mother spent her last days in two car homes in the days when the carers were mostly white Christians although I dunno what colour their eyes were. They were angels as are most people employed in that line of work.

 

But do you actually imagine that Mohammed and Abdul who possibly arrived by rubber dinghy or a RIB from Calais are going to apply for let alone accept jobs that involve cleaning old English peoples' <deleted>! "Can you turn over please Mr Smith while I wash your bottom and change your nightwear for you" They won't do it! Not now let alone in the years to come as the native population ages. To a Muslim man such an act is too demeaning for them even to consider.

 

I doubt you've ever set foot in a English care home for the elderly nor worked in one!

 

Your use of the word 'asses' would suggest you're not over familiar with the UK. "Asses' to us is the plural of 'ass', an animal of the horse family that is similar to a donkey. It's an Americanism which would indicate that you are a citizen of the US or Canada.