Players who should have had more caps for their countries

[BobbyL]

The amount of strikes in the late 90s that never really featured in the national team was incredible.

 

The likes of Andy Cole, Ian Wright and Robbie Fowler would walk into the England now. Yet I bet they didn't score more that 10 goals between them. 

[BangrakBob]

Mark Noble, Kevin Nolan, Le Tissier, Steve Bruce etc etc etc All should not have got more caps for England, just good English players that's it. 

[mauGR1]

51 minutes ago, RickG16 said:

And again with Zola... he was a great player, but let's think about who was keeping him out of the side. Vialli and Ravanelli were winning Scudettos and European Cups, so was Roberto Baggio. 

I agree, Zola was just unlucky that Roberto Baggio was in front of him.

Even when Baggio was injured, as he was the "face" of a few millionaire sponsors, Zola never got a real chance in the Italian national team.

Another great player was Matt Le Tissier, also John Barnes was not so lucky with the England team.

[ChipButty]

14 minutes ago, BangrakBob said:

how well did you know his sister?

And the Doberman 

[ChipButty]

immediately bring Agostino Di Bartolomei to mind — who was in a similar-ish mold with respect to playmaking skill and shielding the defense quite expertly from midfield at the peak of his powers — even operating in defense later on. One of Roma's greatest Bandiera players with Totti, Giannini, De Rossi and Conti, captain of the club for several years (including the 1984 European Cup season when they reached the final) — yet never made a full appearance for Italy.

[ChipButty]

Ian Callaghan only played 4 times for England 

Although he was in the squad for the 1966 FIFA World Cup, he did not play in the final and so did not receive a medal.

[mauGR1]

31 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

immediately bring Agostino Di Bartolomei to mind — who was in a similar-ish mold with respect to playmaking skill and shielding the defense quite expertly from midfield at the peak of his powers — even operating in defense later on. One of Roma's greatest Bandiera players with Totti, Giannini, De Rossi and Conti, captain of the club for several years (including the 1984 European Cup season when they reached the final) — yet never made a full appearance for Italy.

Di Bartolomei was an incredibly skilled and intelligent player, but he was lazy.

I never understood why Giannini was so highly rated btw.

[chippendale]

Kevin Beattie

Frank Worthington (the original midfield fancy dan)

Glenn Hoddle

Trevor Francis

Roberto Baggio was neglected awfully by several Italian coaches.

Jan van Beveren, Willy van der Kuylen and Gerald Vanenburg were bullied by Cruyff and didn't play enough for Holland.

Bernd Schuster was a volatile character and quickly fell out with the German FA and coaches.

[RickG16]

3 minutes ago, chippendale said:

Kevin Beattie

Frank Worthington (the original midfield fancy dan)

Glenn Hoddle

Trevor Francis

Roberto Baggio was neglected awfully by several Italian coaches.

Jan van Beveren, Willy van der Kuylen and Gerald Vanenburg were bullied by Cruyff and didn't play enough for Holland.

Bernd Schuster was a volatile character and quickly fell out with the German FA and coaches.

Kevin Beattie?!!!!!

 

Somebody close this thread, it's getting silly. 

[ChipButty]

9 minutes ago, chippendale said:

Kevin Beattie

Frank Worthington (the original midfield fancy dan)

Glenn Hoddle

Trevor Francis

Roberto Baggio was neglected awfully by several Italian coaches.

Jan van Beveren, Willy van der Kuylen and Gerald Vanenburg were bullied by Cruyff and didn't play enough for Holland.

Bernd Schuster was a volatile character and quickly fell out with the German FA and coaches.

Roy Makaay

[chippendale]

7 minutes ago, RickG16 said:

Kevin Beattie?!!!!!

 

Somebody close this thread, it's getting silly. 

"Kevin Beattie?!!!!!"

"Kevin Beattie."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/18/kevin-beattie-obituary

 

"Beattie, who has died aged 64 of a heart attack, was hailed by Ipswich fans as the club’s greatest ever player. But a greater measure of his standing was the universal respect he generated among his peers, who recognised not just his great technical prowess but the courage, strength and application that went with it. His ability to win the ball and then distribute it with calm precision drew comparisons with Bobby Moore, and of his generation there were few English footballers more highly rated within the game.

Yet given the level of acclaim that came his way, Beattie played a surprisingly small number of games for England – nine in total."

 

Former Ipswich and England manager Bobby Robson called him the best England player he had ever seen.

 

[RickG16]

4 minutes ago, chippendale said:

"Kevin Beattie?!!!!!"

"Kevin Beattie."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/18/kevin-beattie-obituary

 

"Beattie, who has died aged 64 of a heart attack, was hailed by Ipswich fans as the club’s greatest ever player. But a greater measure of his standing was the universal respect he generated among his peers, who recognised not just his great technical prowess but the courage, strength and application that went with it. His ability to win the ball and then distribute it with calm precision drew comparisons with Bobby Moore, and of his generation there were few English footballers more highly rated within the game.

Yet given the level of acclaim that came his way, Beattie played a surprisingly small number of games for England – nine in total."

 

Former Ipswich and England manager Bobby Robson called him the best England player he had ever seen.

 

Apologies... got him confused with James ????

[ChipButty]

Ander Herrera.

Just 2 caps, i think he should get more.

 

I think Spain had to many good players in midfield

[ChipButty]

Here's one I bet you never thought about 

I'll add Howard Kendall to the list, who played for Preston North End in the 60's and I think was the youngest player to play in an FA-cup final. He went on to captain Everton in the 70's forming a midfield with Alan Ball and Colin Harvey. Never played for England. Not even once. Unbelievable!

[retayl]

John Richards of Wolves. Consistent scorer in top division yet Ramsey only picked him once and then played him on the left wing!

[jellydog]

Javier Zanetti had plenty of caps for Argentina, but was not picked for either the 2006 or 2010 World Cup squads. Mind boggling.

[chippendale]

The curious case of Willi Lippens :

 

Born near the German-Dutch border to a Dutch father and a German mother, Lippens, who spoke only very basic Dutch, is the only native German-speaker ever to have played for the Dutch national team. Lippens received several invitations to join the German National selection as well, but always declined as his Dutch father had forbidden him to play for Germany. Lippens has said that he would have liked to have played for Germany, but that his respect for his father, and the experiences his family lived through during the Second World War outweighed this. (from Wikipedia)

 

Holland badly needed an experienced goal scorer for the 1974 Word Cup, as Johnny Rep was only 20 years old and still a bit raw. Lippens only played once for Holland, a game in which he scored but his teammates refused to pass to him. They ostracised and bullied him before and after the game.

 

Memories of World War 2 were still too raw in 1974.

[ChipButty]

2 hours ago, chippendale said:

The curious case of Willi Lippens :

 

Born near the German-Dutch border to a Dutch father and a German mother, Lippens, who spoke only very basic Dutch, is the only native German-speaker ever to have played for the Dutch national team. Lippens received several invitations to join the German National selection as well, but always declined as his Dutch father had forbidden him to play for Germany. Lippens has said that he would have liked to have played for Germany, but that his respect for his father, and the experiences his family lived through during the Second World War outweighed this. (from Wikipedia)

 

Holland badly needed an experienced goal scorer for the 1974 Word Cup, as Johnny Rep was only 20 years old and still a bit raw. Lippens only played once for Holland, a game in which he scored but his teammates refused to pass to him. They ostracised and bullied him before and after the game.

 

Memories of World War 2 were still too raw in 1974.

Holland v Germany never got on even today

[naboo]

Ryan Giggs should've turned up more, the unpatriotic git.

 

Ian Wright only had 33 caps, with 17 starts. He was only picked to start 20% of the international games between his first and last caps.

 

Steve Stone was only capped 9 times and was a far better player than Darren Anderton who was regularly picked ahead of him.

[Rc2702]

9 hours ago, BangrakBob said:

Mark Noble, Kevin Nolan, Le Tissier, Steve Bruce etc etc etc All should not have got more caps for England, just good English players that's it. 

Nah there's definitely a case for Nolan IMO. Had he been on the bench for England the two mainstays may have tried harder to make the partnership work better. He had a good passion about his game too and I think that was have been amplified in an England shirt in the right way of course. A lot of those former England managers were gutless to be honest though. Too scared of making sweeping changes and when southgate did that, the result was decent.

[Rc2702]

47 minutes ago, naboo said:

Ryan Giggs should've turned up more, the unpatriotic git.

 

Ian Wright only had 33 caps, with 17 starts. He was only picked to start 20% of the international games between his first and last caps.

 

Steve Stone was only capped 9 times and was a far better player than Darren Anderton who was regularly picked ahead of him.

Anderton shone in an england shirt though. 

[champers]

8 hours ago, chippendale said:

"Kevin Beattie?!!!!!"

"Kevin Beattie."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/18/kevin-beattie-obituary

 

"Beattie, who has died aged 64 of a heart attack, was hailed by Ipswich fans as the club’s greatest ever player. But a greater measure of his standing was the universal respect he generated among his peers, who recognised not just his great technical prowess but the courage, strength and application that went with it. His ability to win the ball and then distribute it with calm precision drew comparisons with Bobby Moore, and of his generation there were few English footballers more highly rated within the game.

Yet given the level of acclaim that came his way, Beattie played a surprisingly small number of games for England – nine in total."

 

Former Ipswich and England manager Bobby Robson called him the best England player he had ever seen.

 

Some of those 9 caps were out of position at left back. Injuries didn't help matters too. The 1970s were a shambles for the England team.

[3 minus 2]

10 hours ago, RickG16 said:

Kevin Beattie?!!!!!

 

Somebody close this thread, it's getting silly. 

no doubts pre injury he was a class act, francis in the same boat really.

havnt gone throught the thread totally but graham taylor said if he had one regret regard selection it was not giving ian wrigth more caps , dont make wright a good pundit though,, unfortunatly.

perrymans another, scarily slow for his last few years at spurs but one 'representative' cap , thought younger he was worth a shout

 

how many did stepney get ?#

 

oh nice thread cb, nice to see a bit of banter without bickering ,, thugh some  just cant help themselves can they...

 

[3 minus 2]

11 hours ago, chippendale said:

Kevin Beattie

Frank Worthington (the original midfield fancy dan)

Glenn Hoddle

Trevor Francis

Roberto Baggio was neglected awfully by several Italian coaches.

Jan van Beveren, Willy van der Kuylen and Gerald Vanenburg were bullied by Cruyff and didn't play enough for Holland.

Bernd Schuster was a volatile character and quickly fell out with the German FA and coaches.

Schuster wasnt a <deleted>  he was just a touch diferentpossibly a touch arrogant and imo  NOTHING anyone would blink at now. Still to this day i rate schuster as one if not  the best ever german midfeilder. bloody criminal him playin so little for germany..

[ChipButty]

5 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

no doubts pre injury he was a class act, francis in the same boat really.

havnt gone throught the thread totally but graham taylor said if he had one regret regard selection it was not giving ian wrigth more caps , dont make wright a good pundit though,, unfortunatly.

perrymans another, scarily slow for his last few years at spurs but one 'representative' cap , thought younger he was worth a shout

 

how many did stepney get ?#

 

oh nice thread cb, nice to see a bit of banter without bickering ,, thugh some  just cant help themselves can they...

 

featured in the film Escape to Victory alongside many of his Ipswich teammates.

[ChipButty]

I was at this game the old Wembley stadium 

the only goal he scored for his country was in May 1975, during a 5–1 victory over Scotland in the 1974–75 British Home Championship

"World of Sport" to be introduced by Dickie Davies with an "On The Ball" 

[ChipButty]

Alan Hudson, of Stoke, won just two England caps. In one of those he absolutely bossed the midfield, when England beat the World Champions West Germany in 1975

 

Tony Morley, Gary Shaw and Dennis Mortimer from there euro cup winning squad of 82 barely got any England caps as well.

 

People forget how good that Villa team was. I remember Tony Morley's goal against Everton that won goal of the season.

 

Storey-Moore represented England once, in a game against Holland in 1970

[3 minus 2]

4 hours ago, ChipButty said:

Alan Hudson, of Stoke, won just two England caps. In one of those he absolutely bossed the midfield, when England beat the World Champions West Germany in 1975

 

Tony Morley, Gary Shaw and Dennis Mortimer from there euro cup winning squad of 82 barely got any England caps as well.

 

People forget how good that Villa team was. I remember Tony Morley's goal against Everton that won goal of the season.

 

Storey-Moore represented England once, in a game against Holland in 1970

WHAT a player pre injury shaw was  imo  injury deprived english football of  an almost dead cert 'up their'  superstar  ATT i saw . Besty over Storey moore but not by much he  was a bit freaky just how good he was.  just unfortunate ramsey didnt really do wingers    

[3 minus 2]

And that villa team were WOW.. alfie probably cN probably remember  ardiles and  vills  midweek  home debut whl was lit up with ticker tape and post promotion positivity a season  opening  weekend away draw with prev champions  notts forest intensified that the festa feel.. trouble was we had villa   THEY SPANKED us . 4 -1 ????  think it was morley  ran a bloody riot  through us

 

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[3 minus 2]

Leeds Paul reaney only got 3. Yeah on reflection evertons  kendall was a shocker..  harvey never really got enuf either..