Poll -- new confusing retirement police orders giving you stress?

[Psimbo]

Why stress over something that has not yet come into effect?

 

I'm just sitting back and laughing at page upon page of stress by people who don't know what will be the ACTUAL outcome of this when it comes into being (bearing in mind most of them won't be affected by it anyway) . 

 

My personal assessment- very little will change.

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, Psimbo said:

Why stress over something that has not yet come into effect?

 

I'm just sitting back and laughing at page upon page of stress by people who don't know what will be the ACTUAL outcome of this when it comes into being (bearing in mind most of them won't be affected by it anyway) . 

 

My personal assessment- very little will change.

People have different situations and different TIMING parameters for their next extension. It is very hard and sometimes IMPOSSIBLE to plan for a successful next extension as some of the new rules are so massively unclear. Both about what's needed and enforcement details. Most extremely for those that would like to do a combo application without embassy letter. 

[mokwit]

1 hour ago, Crossy said:

No stress yet, coz I'm still working, my biggest problem when I retire is going to be showing the lump sum came from outside Thailand (all my money is earned here). Not exactly difficult to fix with an out-in transfer but still a bind.

 

I'll just continue to worry where it's all going. Something to do with being married to a wonderful Thai lady who does not do "cheap".

 

I would check to see if money earned with a work permit counts in the same way as money from outside T - it could be that it does as it is counted for  other things such as condo purchase

[ChipButty]

How many Farang live in Thailand you reckon? I think we should down tools and tell them to stick their new regulation where monkeys shove nuts

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

How many Farang live in Thailand you reckon? I think we should down tools and tell them to stick their new regulation where monkeys shove nuts

Most won't. They know how many people are just really into them, even if they're not into us at all. They see an unlimited demand from foreigners, so no problem at all periodically shaking the tree. Personally I think these recent changes are a particularly hard shake out and most people don't realize it yet. 

[brokenbone]

not stress, but regret i didnt chose a place with at least permanent residency while i still could

[BritManToo]

I pal of mine from the UK had his pension dip below the 800k with Brexit, he's 70, he didn't jump through any hoops, just moved to the Philippines, then Vietnam, then Cambodia. He's been having the time of his life the past two years.

Another pal in Chiang Mai, had his life and money carefully planned until age 70, was suddenly ill then died in two months from cancer aged 50.

I don't have any worries about the future either, something always turns up, if I had worries about the future I would have killed myself 10 years back when my English wife divorced me. Until then I had carefully planned every aspect of my retirement, all future planning, home, wife, pension, savings, kids, gone in a few days.

 

Now, day to day is good enough, don't worry about tomorrow, you may be dead, dying or divorced.

[jmd8800]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

People have different situations and different TIMING parameters for their next extension. It is very hard and sometimes IMPOSSIBLE to plan for a successful next extension as some of the new rules are so massively unclear. Both about what's needed and enforcement details. Most extremely for those that would like to do a combo application without embassy letter. 

I think the jist of Psimbo's post was that there is no sense in planning for something that is not etched in stone yet. How many time does one see a post about things changing every 5 minutes in Thailand. Posts about how nothing ever stays the same in Thailand. So no that everything is up in the air, the best bet is to sit back, calculate your resources and wait until the time comes and then play your best hand.

 

Maybe expats should take a cue from the Thai people and stop the incessant worrying and planning. What shall be shall be.

[whitefarang]

Perhaps Thaivisa could start a legal aid insurance group specialized in visa matters . With a monthly fee of 100 baht a month contribution for each participant millions will come in each month to pay for lawsuits ....etc .

[Dave98]

No stress for me I am leaving next week after 8 years here.

[mngmn]

4 hours ago, Crossy said:

No stress yet, coz I'm still working, my biggest problem when I retire is going to be showing the lump sum came from outside Thailand (all my money is earned here). Not exactly difficult to fix with an out-in transfer but still a bind.

 

I'll just continue to worry where it's all going. Something to do with being married to a wonderful Thai lady who does not do "cheap".

 

Do any?

[fforest1]

I will make this simple for every one.....

 

They are not finished with the visa crackdown massacre....

So unless your really well off or have a elite visa your not safe.....

The 800,000 in the bank for 12 months guys are safe FOR NOW.....

But until this slow motion kicking the farang out of Thailand changes course (which it has not for the last 10 years) no telling have far they want to take this? 

At the present rate of change the expat farang will become a endangered species in Thailand with in 5 years...

 

 

 

[rumak]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Why don't you back off from your sad personal baggage about me. The topic is about the retirement rules changes and the stress it's causing expats (or not). 

why do you always attack people that express opinions that you don't like ?  I count 15 members that enjoyed that comment ......      As far as the topic,  I think that using the income method , which is not as straightforward as money in an account, will be open to many interpretations by the Immig offices.

No consolation to you, i;m sure, but this bureaucracy exists everywhere .  If you want confusing, try reading the US tax laws.  I know, not the subject  

 

[Jingthing]

I think the jist of Psimbo's post was that there is no sense in planning for something that is not etched in stone yet. How many time does one see a post about things changing every 5 minutes in Thailand. Posts about how nothing ever stays the same in Thailand. So no that everything is up in the air, the best bet is to sit back, calculate your resources and wait until the time comes and then play your best hand.
 
Maybe expats should take a cue from the Thai people and stop the incessant worrying and planning. What shall be shall be.

Police orders are more than rumors.

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[Corruption 101]

5 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

No stress for me other than moderating all the topics about the change.

I do my extensions based upon marriage and already have years of transfers going into a Thai bank well above the 40k baht requirement to show for my extension.

A lot of the stress and confusion is flowing from the conflict of opinion posted by senior members like yourself.  For example, one member posted he had just done his extension then sent all of his 800K back off shore.  He was worried that he must now find 400K to top up his account prior to 1 March or face overstay, deporting and possible 5 year ban from Thailand.  You expressly stated that he had nothing to worry about.

 

Then I read some posts from another senior and well respected member Sheryl, she was faced with the exact same dilemma.  She had just done her extension and now though it prudent that she top up her account to ensure it had 400K in it before 1 March.

 

So when a senior member like Sheryl does not trust your advice. Why wouldn't their be fear, confusion and stress among us mere mortal members.

[Corruption 101]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

People have different situations and different TIMING parameters for their next extension. It is very hard and sometimes IMPOSSIBLE to plan for a successful next extension as some of the new rules are so massively unclear. Both about what's needed and enforcement details. Most extremely for those that would like to do a combo application without embassy letter. 

No I think the most troubling area that needs clarification is what happens when your account is less than 400K. Are you on overstay?

[Corruption 101]

4 hours ago, simon43 said:

Reasonably stressed (well, reasonably p*ssed off).  I have 18 months to go before my Elite visa expires and I'm in no mood to renew it.  I have a monthly income from overseas (50,000+ baht) that is quite adequate for my single needs.

 

I work a lot of my time as a volunteer, so do not have the financial means to save 800,000+ baht just to use for a visa.  I am not happy that the requirement for an annual visa is based solely upon a monetary figure (idem for the Elite visa...). Seems that 'giving back' to Thailand isn't relevant, no matter how many years or how much effort you've put in.

 

Not sure what I will do in 18 months.  I can do my volunteer work in Myanmar or Cambodia etc, without the need to drop $25,000 or so in the bank ????

Or you could sell your airport hotel in Phuket.  Is the Thai guy with the gun still renting it for free?

[Jingthing]

A lot of the stress and confusion is flowing from the conflict of opinion posted by senior members like yourself.  For example, one member posted he had just done his extension then sent all of his 800K back off shore.  He was worried that he must now find 400K to top up his account prior to 1 March or face overstay, deporting and possible 5 year ban from Thailand.  You expressly stated that he had nothing to worry about.

 

Then I read some posts from another senior and well respected member Sheryl, she was faced with the exact same dilemma.  She had just done her extension and now though it prudent that she top up her account to ensure it had 400K in it before 1 March.

 

So when a senior member like Sheryl does not trust your advice. Why wouldn't their be fear, confusion and stress among us mere mortal members.

It's more a matter of the fact that we have no all knowing Gods here. People can explain the parts of rules that are clear but nobody can predict future enforcement experiences on very new stuff especially for all offices. So I suggest to people be as defensive as you can in this current new and confusing environment. For example currently combo applications without embassy letters are quite unclear so why not prepare for an 800k bank method application this time and be much more sure of acceptance?

 

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[chippendale]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Why don't you back off from your sad personal baggage about me. The topic is about the retirement rules changes and the stress it's causing expats (or not). 

Well, that was quick. It only took you until the fifth comment to start arguing with people again.

 

Whatever floats your boat.

 

I'm as cool as a polar bear's ar5e about this retirement issue, if it means fewer riff raff around me in future.

[Jingthing]

No I think the most troubling area that needs clarification is what happens when your account is less than 400K. Are you on overstay?

I agree that is very troubling and we do not know yet.

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[Corruption 101]

2 minutes ago, chippendale said:

Well, that was quick. It only took you until the fifth comment to start arguing with people again.

 

Whatever floats your boat.

 

I'm as cool as a polar bear's ar5e about this retirement issue, if it means fewer riff raff around me in future.

Jingthing make sure you add this snoozer to your blocked list.

[Jingthing]

why do you always attack people that express opinions that you don't like ?  I count 15 members that enjoyed that comment ......      As far as the topic,  I think that using the income method , which is not as straightforward as money in an account, will be open to many interpretations by the Immig offices.

No consolation to you, i;m sure, but this bureaucracy exists everywhere .  If you want confusing, try reading the US tax laws.  I know, not the subject  

 

You don't know the history there. That member is obsessed with personally attacking me. He even accused me on the open forum of hating all straight people. I don't need to passively accept bullying from anyone. Poty winners or not.

 

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[Corruption 101]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I agree that is very troubling and we do not know yet.

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If you stop working on a Non B you are on overstay.  If you get divorced when you are on a Non O marriage you are on overstay.  

 

Can someone please explain to me, like I was a small child, or a golden retriever, why, if you fail to keep 400K in your account, that you will not be viewed as an overstay.

[Jingthing]

If you stop working on a Non B you are on overstay.  If you get divorced when you are on a Non O marriage you are on overstay.  
 
Can someone please explain to me, like I was a small child, or a golden retriever, why, if you fail to keep 400K in your account, that you will not be viewed as an overstay.

Nobody can yet because nobody knows. There have been no public instructions from immigration as yet.

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[emptypockets]

8 minutes ago, Corruption 101 said:

As a fellow POTY Colin I think that you should be praising Jingthing for adding fresh topics to Thai Visa.  Given the announcement this morning, there can no longer be any discussion of politics here on this forum both now and FOREVER.  So what is left to generate click bait for the owners? Thai driving video clips?

That announcement just got nullified by the big guy.

[Andrew Dwyer]

I was a bit stressed when these changes appeared but after thinking about it I’m more relaxed now.

Plus, last night I had a dream about the lottery and went out searching for tickets ending in 800 and 400 !!

Keep this to yourself though, don’t want to split it too many ways !!

Just writing this post has changed my outcome from relaxed to quietly confident !! [emoji51]

[balo]

I answered 1 , no stress, but what does a cucumber from Minnesota means ? I just don't get the connection.  

[Andrew Dwyer]

I answered 1 , no stress, but what does a cucumber from Minnesota means ? I just don't get the connection.  

“ cool as a cucumber “.

I think JT just added Minnesota as it’s a cool state !, as in cold that is and not fashionable.

Spent a winter month in Owatonna one time and it was pretty chilly and not at all fashionable !!

[emptypockets]

The way I see it is.....you want to apply for a new or further  extension of stay then you must meet the criterion as published in the police order. there was NO mention of the combo method being changed only the 800k in the bank method. I think you are all stressing out because that is what you do about anything!!

Seems to be the accepted norm these days...black face...OMG...the end of the world is nigh!!!

Come on guys...we're mostly adults on this forum aren't we. Use some intelligence for once. It's not about good Thais Vs bad farangs. Its about dodgy people generally. They did it with visa runners, ED abusers, now dodgy retirement extensions and dodgy marriage extensions will most likely be next. Can hardly blame the Thai people for wanting to clean up their immigration procedures...Can you?

[emptypockets]

13 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

OK you win. Lots of potential danger zones with these new rules that is until we get a lot more clarification so that people can prepare better.

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What is NOT clear in the police order?