Explainer: What legal risks does Cohen's testimony pose to Trump?

[lannarebirth]

1 minute ago, keemapoot said:

Yup, and we also saw the blinders on with ardent Bill Clinton supporters. But, in Trump's case, it truly is abysmal, given his overwhelmingly immoral and probably illegal behavior.

 

I think that was more "the establishment", including the press that bolstered the Clintons, which of course did not go unnoticed and created the reprehensible Trump candidacy and it's supporters.

 

[ReMarKable]

22 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I think that was more "the establishment", including the press that bolstered the Clintons, which of course did not go unnoticed and created the reprehensible Trump candidacy and it's supporters.

 

Carter was the last honorable President.  They have all gotten worse after him.  Obama was an uplift, but I did not like his do nothing response to the water conditions in Flint.

[scorecard]

Or put it this way;  he falsely sees things in terms of what pleases him, his brain and his ego twist whatever it is to what he thinks is legitimate, even if it's lies, his lies or anybody's lies.

 

Additionally he doesn't respect that others also have a view and their view should be respected or at least acknowledged. 

 

Additionally he has no respect for even the basics of colour issues etc. 

 

Additionally he has no hesitation to select people who are flawed and should not hold high office, e,g, his various lawyers who are far far from role models of high knowledge and repute.  

 

 

[tlandtday]

6 minutes ago, ReMarKable said:

Carter was the last honorable President.  They have all gotten worse after him.  Obama was an uplift, but I did not like his do nothing response to the water conditions in Flint.

Carter was a good leader or had the potential to be one but if you do some digging you will see the Fed ousted him by increasing the interest rate... he did not play by their rules.  Now similar is being tried with Trump... why are they so afraid of Trump?  Because he is rattling the cage, shaking the tree... he is a loose cannon in a land of secrets and corruption... too dangerous for the insiders.

[thaibeachlovers]

Lots of "could's" and "may be's", so situation normal then. The Trump opponents will play it up till it comes to nothing and then move onto the next "thing" that is sure to get Trump, "this time".

I haven't been keeping track of the number of times that Trump was "going down", but it must be over a hundred by now.

[thaibeachlovers]

35 minutes ago, ReMarKable said:

Carter was the last honorable President.  They have all gotten worse after him.  Obama was an uplift, but I did not like his do nothing response to the water conditions in Flint.

I agree with your first 2 sentences.

Edited February 28, 2019 by thaibeachlovers

[onera1961]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Trump and his supporters have called Cohen a liar trying to reduce his prison time after pleading guilty to a series of federal criminal charges.

Yes, Pablo Escobars supporters also said so when his layers started to talk. It is the same all over the world. 

[ballpoint]

1 hour ago, tlandtday said:

Cohen really is a pathetic human being.  Not only does he break the trust a lawyer is supposed to have with his client he sells information and contact to anyone willing to fork out the money in secret while working for his client.

 

Now the rat weasel is in great probability spinning countless lies to save his sorry ass.  Almost like a guy who says he has been saved by religion this little weasel tells us he made a mistake working for Trump while he quietly pulled in millions lol.

Funny how Donald "I know and hire only the best people" Trump had a rat weasel working for him for so long.

[Chomper Higgot]

30 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Lots of "could's" and "may be's", so situation normal then. The Trump opponents will play it up till it comes to nothing and then move onto the next "thing" that is sure to get Trump, "this time".

I haven't been keeping track of the number of times that Trump was "going down", but it must be over a hundred by now.

You don’t need to keep count, Trump will only ‘go down’ twice.

 

Once on Federal crimes and once on State crimes.

[KMartinHandyman]

I see no legitimacy in partisan special councils, partisan congressional and senate committees, partisan doj’s, fbi, handpicked grand juries, stacked supreme courts and courts of appeals.
In my opinion the closest thing to justice in matters of guilt and innocence comes from a trial in front of a jury of ones piers.
Until Trump goes to trial it’s all partisan noise to me. 2016 proved both parties suck as an outsider was able to ascend to the whitehouse. They should both be repentant and address their decades of failure but instead they’re focusing on trump swiping the nuclear football from under their noses.
Politicians are all lying scum on some level in my opinion and maybe they’re just upset they came up against a better lying scum and can’t get over it.

[dunroaming]

Apart from the legal implications all this just confirms what we knew already.  Trump is a cheat, a liar, a racist and a conman.  A piece of scum that conned his way into the White House.

[EVENKEEL]

6 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Surely worth investigating by any means available, no?

Yep, all the wacky dems are good at is "keep Investigating"  Their theory is if you throw enough shit on the wall something is bound to stick. Pathetic really. 

[Chomper Higgot]

21 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Yep, all the wacky dems are good at is "keep Investigating"  Their theory is if you throw enough shit on the wall something is bound to stick. Pathetic really. 

What wall?

 

You’re not getting a wall.

[xylophone]

9 hours ago, DoctorG said:

They got nuttin!

Signed cheques..........for a start.

[keemapoot]

2 hours ago, KMartinHandyman said:

I see no legitimacy in partisan special councils, partisan congressional and senate committees, partisan doj’s, fbi, handpicked grand juries, stacked supreme courts and courts of appeals. 
I

You mean like life-long Republican former FBI Directors Robert Swan Mueller and James Comey???? And, life-long Republican FBI Director L. Patrick Gray who brought Nixon down???? You mean those kind of partisans?  Haha.

[Nyezhov]

6 hours ago, keemapoot said:

I think it depends more on your core values and your views about whether a President should have a minimum moral and legal character or not. A traditional Republican exhibiting those values would not deny and object when Nixon was prosecuted, and a traditional Democrat should not have objected when Clinton was prosecuted in impeachment but found innocent.

 

But these new "Republicans," these Trump fans, I don't think share that same sense of decency.

Terms like "core values" are political buzzwords. That being said, I think Nixon committed impeachable offenses. I think Clinton committed an impeachable offense. I dont think that Trump has.

[keemapoot]

Just now, Nyezhov said:

Terms like "core values" are political buzzwords. That being said, I think Nixon committed impeachable offenses. I think Clinton committed an impeachable offense. I dont think that Trump has.

To be precise, Nixon committed an impeachable offense which would have resulted in conviction. Clinton was "indicted" or impeached but was acquitted or found not guilty. It remains to be seen yet about Trump, but boy are there a lot of smoking guns out there.

[Jingthing]

Donald Jr. lied to congress. Uh oh.

Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

[mtls2005]

Impeachment represents a "politcal" risk, not a legal one per se.

 

Cohen's testimony seems to have provided at least several criminal investigative paths for prosecutors and investigators: Taxes, Insurance Fraud, Fraud, RICO, money laundering, conspiracy. At a minimum, Individual-1 is an unindicted co-conspirator, but he's not a witch.

 

But we're told that this President is above the law, so not much legal risk for him until end-January 2021?

 

DJTJ, Eric, Ivanka and Jared may be in the soup.

 

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Impeachment represents a "politcal" risk, not a legal one per se.

 

Cohen's testimony seems to have provided at least several criminal investigative paths for prosecutors and investigators: Taxes, Insurance Fraud, Fraud, RICO, money laundering, conspiracy. At a minimum, Individual-1 is an unindicted co-conspirator, but he's not a witch.

 

But we're told that this President is above the law, so not much legal risk for him until end-January 2021?

 

DJTJ, Eric, Ivanka and Jared may be in the soup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So which of these "...criminal investigative paths for prosecutors and investigators: Taxes, Insurance Fraud, Fraud, RICO, money laundering, conspiracy..." do you believe is not being pursued?

[mtls2005]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

 

So which of these "...criminal investigative paths for prosecutors and investigators: Taxes, Insurance Fraud, Fraud, RICO, money laundering, conspiracy..." do you believe is not being pursued?

 

Taxes, Insurance Fraud, Fraud, RICO, money laundering off the top of my head.

 

But I'm not aware of all the State, Federal, Congressional investigations into the Trump Crime Syndicate.

 

See Exhibit 5A for a start.

 

And just stick a fork in trump, he's done, he just doesn't realize it, yet.

[Yellowtail]

9 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Taxes, Insurance Fraud, Fraud, RICO, money laundering off the top of my head.

 

But I'm not aware of all the State, Federal, Congressional investigations into the Trump Crime Syndicate.

 

See Exhibit 5A for a start.

 

And just stick a fork in trump, he's done, he just doesn't realize it, yet.

So it is your position that Trump is not already under investigation?

[lannarebirth]

7 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Yep, all the wacky dems are good at is "keep Investigating"  Their theory is if you throw enough shit on the wall something is bound to stick. Pathetic really. 

I didn't mean a political investigation, I meant a criminal investigation.

[lannarebirth]

11 hours ago, scorecard said:

Or put it this way;  he falsely sees things in terms of what pleases him, his brain and his ego twist whatever it is to what he thinks is legitimate, even if it's lies, his lies or anybody's lies.

 

Additionally he doesn't respect that others also have a view and their view should be respected or at least acknowledged. 

 

Additionally he has no respect for even the basics of colour issues etc. 

 

Additionally he has no hesitation to select people who are flawed and should not hold high office, e,g, his various lawyers who are far far from role models of high knowledge and repute.  

 

 

 

You're describing the American electorate.

[lannarebirth]

6 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Terms like "core values" are political buzzwords. That being said, I think Nixon committed impeachable offenses. I think Clinton committed an impeachable offense. I dont think that Trump has.

If by that you mean impeachable offenses have yet to be proven then I agree with you; but the jury's still out as they say.

[Jingthing]

Felonies much?

 

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/27/here-are-five-felonies-trump-committed-if-cohen-is-telling-truth/

Quote

Here are five felonies Trump committed — if Cohen is telling the truth

 

 

[pedro01]

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Felonies much?

 

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/27/here-are-five-felonies-trump-committed-if-cohen-is-telling-truth/

 

 

 

Washington post is a leftist rag.

 

That will be out of business when the Covington kids are done with it....

 

...you know - those minors that the washington post attacked...

[lannarebirth]

15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Felonies much?

 

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/27/here-are-five-felonies-trump-committed-if-cohen-is-telling-truth/

 

 

 

Really only number 5 which is of interest. Should have been investigated years ago.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

I didn't mean a political investigation, I meant a criminal investigation.

For a criminal investigation one needs actual proof. Were such proof to exist would Trump/ family not already be charged?

I pity the prosecutor that charges Trump and fails to convict. Actually I don't pity them at all.

[lannarebirth]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

For a criminal investigation one needs actual proof. Were such proof to exist would Trump/ family not already be charged?

You need proof to convict. You should have proof to indict. But to investigate all you need is a credible suspicion.