If denied entrance at BKK...

[returnee222]

If denied entrance at BKK airport for too many tourist visas I understand they will liaise with your inbound flight carrier to sort the return flight:

 

- Since you can't go beyond immigration, if you have checked baggage will they arrange for that to  follow you back to wherever you came from?

- If you arrive on an early morning flight and the carrier has multiple flights I presume it can be arranged to return on one of these vs an overnight stay in the airport detention center?

- If my ticket is "flexi" will I be able to change it and use that for the return part possibly with a fare difference penalty, or will I be at the mercy of Somchai the airline rep who insists to sell me a new high priced ticket for cash?  

 

Edited March 21, 2019 by returnee222

[jackdd]

Actually it's the responsibility of the airline to send you back, you don't have to pay for it, so if you just refuse to pay you will still be sent back. But maybe they let you wait a bit to punish you or similar.

Edited March 21, 2019 by jackdd

[Tayaout]

They will get your checked baggage for you or escort you. Not sure because they asked me twice but I did not have any.  From what I saw the rep is selling you the ticket at the same price you would pay anyway. The rep doesn't charge you more but usually if you buy same day or next day ticket then yes it's more expensive. If you have some kind of "flexi" ticket then the rep will probably accomodate you. 

Edited March 21, 2019 by Tayaout

[JackThompson]

4 hours ago, jackdd said:

Actually it's the responsibility of the airline to send you back, you don't have to pay for it, so if you just refuse to pay you will still be sent back. But maybe they let you wait a bit to punish you or similar.

Per a previous report on this, a guy refused to pay (was trying to appeal the denial-of-entry - which was ignored).  But, upon arrival (where he was sent back to), he was threatened with being thrown in detention there, if he didn't pay for the last-minute-priced ticket.  He paid, so we don't know if it was a bluff.

[BritTim]

50 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

Per a previous report on this, a guy refused to pay (was trying to appeal the denial-of-entry - which was ignored).  But, upon arrival (where he was sent back to), he was threatened with being thrown in detention there, if he didn't pay for the last-minute-priced ticket.  He paid, so we don't know if it was a bluff.

That would depend on the country he was arriving back at, and the terms of his flight ticket (together with whether they are deemed enforceable under that country's legal system). Often, unless you have signed an indemnity form, they cannot legally enforce payment.

[returnee222]

14 hours ago, Tayaout said:

They will get your checked baggage for you or escort you. Not sure because they asked me twice but I did not have any.  From what I saw the rep is selling you the ticket at the same price you would pay anyway. The rep doesn't charge you more but usually if you buy same day or next day ticket then yes it's more expensive. If you have some kind of "flexi" ticket then the rep will probably accomodate you. 

Did you sign anything? There's a guy that wrote "After 11 years in Chiang Mai, I was Denied Entry " a few posts down that refused to sign, as a benefit he wasn't kept in the detention center, he had freedom to choose destination, and he was given his passport back prior to departure, whilst I'd probably return to KL anyway given the flexi ticket I'd wonder if it's smart not to sign anything - usually thats the way - but making these people loose face can yield unpredictable results. 

[Tayaout]

19 minutes ago, returnee222 said:

Did you sign anything? There's a guy that wrote "After 11 years in Chiang Mai, I was Denied Entry " a few posts down that refused to sign, as a benefit he wasn't kept in the detention center, he had freedom to choose destination, and he was given his passport back prior to departure, whilst I'd probably return to KL anyway given the flexi ticket I'd wonder if it's smart not to sign anything - usually thats the way - but making these people loose face can yield unpredictable results. 

Yes I signed. It's probably the easiest way but maybe not the best. If this happen again I will try the not signing route and report back ????

Edited March 22, 2019 by Tayaout

[Lacessit]

It baffles me why anyone would go to any country without ensuring they had a visa for that country. Gambling on a visa-on-arrival sounds like a lottery to me.

[lovesthespicy]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

It baffles me why anyone would go to any country without ensuring they had a visa for that country. Gambling on a visa-on-arrival sounds like a lottery to me.

People are arriving with tourist visas and getting sent away too. 

[scubascuba3]

It baffles me why anyone would go to any country without ensuring they had a visa for that country. Gambling on a visa-on-arrival sounds like a lottery to me.

A visa exempt for 1 holiday a year is fine, probably no one ever denied entry. The problem is multiple visa exempts

[NoshowJones]

14 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

It baffles me why anyone would go to any country without ensuring they had a visa for that country. Gambling on a visa-on-arrival sounds like a lottery to me.

Everything is at the discretion of the IOs, particularly the boss.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, lovesthespicy said:

People are arriving with tourist visas and getting sent away too. 

I find it hard to believe a newbie tourist would get knocked back. Seems to me it's a case of going to the tourist visa well once too often, although a bit of consistency in what is once too often would be to Thailand's benefit.

[Straight8]

To be granted a Tourist Visa from an embassy and then be refused entry is total BS....period

 

 

[ThaiBunny]

22 minutes ago, Straight8 said:

To be granted a Tourist Visa from an embassy and then be refused entry is total BS....period

All a visa does is give you permission to travel to a port of entry and seek entry. It's entirely at the discretion of the IO whether entry will be given (true of every country that issues visas).  If granted, then the conditions of the visa come into effect

[jacko45k]

22 hours ago, Tayaout said:

Yes I signed. It's probably the easiest way but maybe not the best. If this happen again I will try the not signing route and report back ????

Perhaps ask for an official translation stamped by some ministry!

[jackdd]

8 hours ago, ThaiBunny said:

It's entirely at the discretion of the IO whether entry will be given (true of every country that issues visas).

But not true for Thailand, a Thai IO doesn't have this discretion according to the law,  so what you say is wrong.

[justin case]

If you are denied, is that any access to a bank atm or something ?

 

just wondering if you cleared an Elite visa background check  but did not pay yet

 

and being denied entry

 

and you manage to transfer the 500k to the account of elite visa

 

and contact them via phone or line about your payment

 

if they suddenly could arrange you to enter to get your sticker ...

 

if that would solve the problem of being denied in the country where you live for the last xx years and have assets, children,  ...

[Caldera]

33 minutes ago, justin case said:

If you are denied, is that any access to a bank atm or something ?

I don't know if the plan you've described would work, but I don't understand why you need access to an ATM for it - just use your bank's app on your phone to transfer the money.

[tingtongtourist]

On 3/22/2019 at 9:18 PM, lovesthespicy said:

People are arriving with tourist visas and getting sent away too. 

1. This mainly only happen at Bkk (DM) airport.

 

2. Is never known if we hear the whole story from the posters.

What other vital factors been left out?

 

3. Most cases are those flying Air Asia, (which IMMs know will never make a noise on behalf of the passenger).

But if you flying a large airline from your own country in US, AUS or England etc, I doubt they would try to pull this B.S.

 

4. Notice the stories nearly all the same?... woman immigration officer, same stamp in passport, same MO, same conversation had, same excuses given.

AND ALWAYS from some new member with post count under 5!!!!!

hmmmm 

[Kasane]

With drugs smuggling, human trafficking, and other crimes against humanity on the rise  I think foreigners who repeatedly use tourist or exempt visas are probably flagged. And since IO's have the final authority to admit or deny entry flagged "tourists" need to have a convincing reason for visiting Thailand again and again for IO to be satisfied of the tourists intent of visit. 

[returnee222]

1 hour ago, tingtongtourist said:

1. This mainly only happen at Bkk (DM) airport.

 

2. Is never known if we hear the whole story from the posters.

What other vital factors been left out?

 

3. Most cases are those flying Air Asia, (which IMMs know will never make a noise on behalf of the passenger).

But if you flying a large airline from your own country in US, AUS or England etc, I doubt they would try to pull this B.S.

 

4. Notice the stories nearly all the same?... woman immigration officer, same stamp in passport, same MO, same conversation had, same excuses given.

AND ALWAYS from some new member with post count under 5!!!!!

hmmmm 

That's probably because we have no other reason to post unless to seek answers, its odd to me the amount of people that are settled and banked and have no visa issues that come here, to this particular forum noless, to say "play by the rules", "get a proper visa" and so on, what's your beef. If I was sorted I wouldn't wasting my time on visa discussions, though thanks to those that are knowledgeable and do share solid advice.

 

This definitely does happen at BKK, i've been questioned to hell at BKK too so I'm inclined to believe the other reports

 

This happens even in the business class lane too at Swampy, last time I flew MAS business class was questioned like hell in the fast track lane, managed to blag my way through but the idea that biz class gets you off the hook is bull.  Equally though I don't think Airasia is a trigger.

 

Stories are the somewhat the same because there is a pattern,  sometimes though you can't avoid the women immigration officers, fast track last time had two women only, would look at bit odd to start walking back out to the commoners line - tongue in cheek I'm flying pleb class this time round

 

Edited March 24, 2019 by returnee222

[returnee222]

20 minutes ago, Kasane said:

With drugs smuggling, human trafficking, and other crimes against humanity on the rise  I think foreigners who repeatedly use tourist or exempt visas are probably flagged. And since IO's have the final authority to admit or deny entry flagged "tourists" need to have a convincing reason for visiting Thailand again and again for IO to be satisfied of the tourists intent of visit. 

Is booze and women not enough of an excuse nowadays? I wonder if the honest approach has more weight than cliche "visit friend", "see temples", "stay with girlfriend"

[scubascuba3]

Do IOs even know why they are stopping people coming? stopping them spending money here

[Chivas]

I reported back at start of February that for the very first time after arriving 169 times from London to Bangkok that the immigration guy was clearly counting days in the country as the geezer was using his fingers lol

Never ever before and he said "many entries" and I said very politely "yes but well within guidelines" (I was) and he smiled and passed back the passport. I was on a visa exempt entry

First time ever....

[Chivas]

41 minutes ago, returnee222 said:

, sometimes though you can't avoid the women immigration officers, fast track last time had two women only,

 

I go out of my way to locate the female officers on the basis I dress smartly for flights and always greet them nicely. Big smile goes a long way plus dressed properly

[BritTim]

47 minutes ago, Kasane said:

With drugs smuggling, human trafficking, and other crimes against humanity on the rise  I think foreigners who repeatedly use tourist or exempt visas are probably flagged. And since IO's have the final authority to admit or deny entry flagged "tourists" need to have a convincing reason for visiting Thailand again and again for IO to be satisfied of the tourists intent of visit. 

If they suspect drug smuggling, a careful search of your luggage would seem more appropriate than denied entry. If you are engaged in human trafficking, presumably you are travelling with one or more additional people. It would be appropriate to carry out a complete investigation, and prosecute if you are, indeed, trying to bring people into the country. I believe, however, that most people smuggling into Thailand is done by land, not using regular border crossings. I am not sure what the other crimes against humanity you think are suggested by frequent visits (unless, perhaps, you believe frequenting go-go bars is a crime against humanity). Recent reports suggest the officials do not give you a chance to provide a "convincing reason". They just deny you without questioning.

[Kasane]

2 hours ago, BritTim said:

If they suspect drug smuggling, a careful search of your luggage would seem more appropriate than denied entry. If you are engaged in human trafficking, presumably you are travelling with one or more additional people. It would be appropriate to carry out a complete investigation, and prosecute if you are, indeed, trying to bring people into the country. I believe, however, that most people smuggling into Thailand is done by land, not using regular border crossings. I am not sure what the other crimes against humanity you think are suggested by frequent visits (unless, perhaps, you believe frequenting go-go bars is a crime against humanity). Recent reports suggest the officials do not give you a chance to provide a "convincing reason". They just deny you without questioning.

Too many tourists/exempt visas are viewed as suspicious activity, imo.  If you are engaged in nefarious activities and your base is Thailand then, under cover as a tourist with multiple visits to the country, you have probably established an underground network. I think Thailand is being more strict re abuse of tourist/ exempt entry.

[BritManToo]

10 minutes ago, Kasane said:

Too many tourists/exempt visas are viewed as suspicious activity, imo.  If you are engaged in nefarious activities and your base is Thailand then, under cover as a tourist with multiple visits to the country, you have probably established an underground network. I think Thailand is being more strict re abuse of tourist/ exempt entry.

If I were a drug runner, I'd buy an Elite VISA.

[onera1961]

I reported back at start of February that for the very first time after arriving 169 times from London to Bangkok that the immigration guy was clearly counting days in the country as the geezer was using his fingers lol
Never ever before and he said "many entries" and I said very politely "yes but well within guidelines" (I was) and he smiled and passed back the passport. I was on a visa exempt entry
First time ever....

OMG. Counting days. Cant even modify the software do that. What a lack of skilled people in Thailand.

Sent from my JKM-LX2 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

[Chivas]

3 hours ago, onera1961 said:

OMG. Counting days. Cant even modify the software do that. What a lack of skilled people in Thailand.

Sent from my JKM-LX2 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

Yes I made that point as well in February. You'd think the software would bring up the last 12 months and how many days with Visa and Visa exempt entries