Do you believe in God and why

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

I am sorry if I offended you,the observation was directed at both sides, and I should had added that I am often guilty of, but cognizant and try to refrain. certainly not holier than thou.

I was not stating the Obvious , I was supporting Skeptic's post which you seemed to have a problem with, I noticed that you did not dispute any of the points I made, 

 Though I don't believe in the existence of god,(biblical god) nothing in what I said contradicted his existence ,  it was simply a critique and observation ,of the existence of religious indoctrination.

I am sorry that you feel we are being stalked, IMO we respect you enough to engage you in conversation. Isn't that what we are here for? Or is it simply a soapbox from where we make speeches? 

 

I have no problem discussing the ideas with respect.

Things can change if you try to tale the p**s, and i can remember you tried that at least once.

That said, i think it's possible to have a conversation with you, and probably we agree on most things.

In this long thread, i made my point many times about what i think of indoctrination and religious fanatics, i have 2 children, now more than 30, and i can't remember if i ever talked to them about God.

For me it's a personal and free choice what you believe and what you don't.

[kevvy]

Praise the Lord..

 

[Tagged]

10 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

No, that was advice.

Only one way to test your opinions, read mot what opponents have to say, and not only what you line to hear or see! 

 

Trust me, I have read my share of people I strongly dissagree with, also religious scripts, as well gurus who believe they know the way to Nirwana. 

 

By time it form us and maybe change us, not to forget learn something, as well see things from an different view. 

 

Have a good evening sir

[canuckamuck]

1 minute ago, Tagged said:

Only one way to test your opinions, read mot what opponents have to say, and not only what you line to hear or see! 

 

Trust me, I have read my share of people I strongly dissagree with, also religious scripts, as well gurus who believe they know the way to Nirwana. 

 

By time it form us and maybe change us, not to forget learn something, as well see things from an different view. 

 

Have a good evening sir

I don't think I am your opponent. We're just talking here.

[luckyluke]

18 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

For me it's a personal and free choice what you believe and what you don't.

Like that. 

 

Being tolerant, not arrogant is also something I appreciate. 

 

"Arrogant" for me is :

 

"I know better" 

 

or/and :

 

"You don't understand it, I do" 

 

[sirineou]

26 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

I have no problem discussing the ideas with respect.

Things can change if you try to tale the p**s, and i can remember you tried that at least once.

That said, i think it's possible to have a conversation with you, and probably we agree on most things.

In this long thread, i made my point many times about what i think of indoctrination and religious fanatics, i have 2 children, now more than 30, and i can't remember if i ever talked to them about God.

For me it's a personal and free choice what you believe and what you don't.

Same here, though an Atheist myself, I never talked religion or opposition to it with my daughter, she is a bright girl, I made my own decisions (not all good) and  I was always confident she will make the right decisions  also . It is her own life and has the right to live it any way she wants. 

 In fact when she was younger, she went to church with her mom, they sang songs, put plays. and christian summer camp. 

  The basic tenets of Christianity concerning morality are in tune with mine, and if it was not for the metaphysical religious dogma, I would be an enthusiastic christian. I would go to the church of  "let's all be nice to each other"  all day long., It is that other sinister part that I have a problem with . IMO you should have a problem also , because your Philosophy has being usurped by a power structure that has developed a narrative to support and increase it's power structure.  

By the way, last night i watched the 'Two Popes" movie on Netflix, Very well made,interesting and entertaining.  Jorge Mario Bergoglio (Pope Francis) is a very interesting person. 

Not sure if it is available in Thai Netflix, but nothing a good VPN could not fix.

Edited December 22, 2019 by sirineou

[mauGR1]

8 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Like that. 

 

Being tolerant, not arrogant is also something I appreciate. 

 

"Arrogant" for me is :

 

"I know better" 

 

or/and :

 

"You don't understand it, I do" 

 

Yes, and i am sorry if i gave you the wrong impression.

Sometimes, when having a discussion, things can get heated, but i can assure that respect is at the top of my values.

[cyril sneer]

308 pages ????

[Mike Teavee]

I'm still struggling to work out who the Christians actually worship... 

 

I thought it was "God", but on this thread I've learnt that the Catholic worships Mother Mary & the Christians worship her son, who was also the re-embodiment of God... Who came down to earth to remind people about his father's kingdom, which was his Kingdom... 

 

Do you guys ever stop, take a & look at what you're actually saying???

 

No Idea who said https://quoteinvestigator.com/2018/03/20/devil/ but He was second (maybe 3rd Place).... The Great Trick every played was (at least a couple of times) before Lucifer ever got onto the Scene (Dante?)

 

.. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by Mike Teavee

[Sunmaster]

6 hours ago, luckyluke said:

Like that. 

 

Being tolerant, not arrogant is also something I appreciate. 

 

"Arrogant" for me is :

 

"I know better" 

 

or/and :

 

"You don't understand it, I do" 

 

While I agree with you, it's not simply black and white.

Let's say you meet someone. This guy is a professional boxer, but you don't know that. For some reason you start to talk about boxing and you're opinion is that it's a very violent sport and should therefore be forbidden. You've never practiced this sport, but that's your opinion.

The other guy will tell you a lot of good reasons why it shouldn't be banned. He has been doing it for a long time and the sport has actually saved him from a life on the streets and at the same time made him quite wealthy. 
How will you react to his opinion? Are the 2 opinions equal? 
They could be seen as equal if the other guy was just an accountant, but being a professional boxer changes things, don't you think?
Of course it wouldn't be right for the other guy to say "Shut up, you know <deleted> about boxing" even though it would be pretty close to the truth. 
You see where I'm going with this? There will always be some people who know more than us on a particular subject. Doesn't mean it belittles us, on the contrary...we would be well advised if we would listen carefully, because it's a chance to grow.

[sirineou]

7 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

308 pages ????

Should go to 1000, nothing funny about that. nice people having thoughtful conversations. if you could stop laughing long enough you are welcome to join in.

I only surf the "view new content" part of this forum. There are a few Avatars that I recognise and when I see them regardless of what, I click 0n them to see what they had to say, I am rarely disappointed. 

a few of these avatars are in this thread. 

When this thread reaches 1000 pages we will have a party. you are welcome to join. 

[luckyluke]

I would listen to him and take his advices as  boxing is something concrete. 

 

I will listen to somebody who pretend he knows better about faith, God...

 

Not necessarily believe him, or following his advices, as it is something abstract and he may consider himself as a specialist, pretending knowing better than I do, but that's is only his opinion. 

 

[canuckamuck]

7 minutes ago, Mike Teavee said:

I'm still struggling to work out who the Christians actually worship... 

 

I thought it was "God", but on this thread I've learnt that the Catholic worships Mother Mary & the Christians worship her son, who was also the re-embodiment of God... Who came down to earth to remind people about his father's kingdom, which was his Kingdom... 

 

Do you guys ever stop, take a & look at what you're actually saying???

 

No Idea who said https://quoteinvestigator.com/2018/03/20/devil/ but He was second (maybe 3rd Place).... The Great Trick every played was (at least a couple of times) before Lucifer ever got onto the Scene (Dante?)

 

.. 

There is some foundational stuff that is common to most Christians, but there are some major disagreements as well. I am sure that you could find some basic explanations on Google.

Protestants don't consider Mary other than another Biblical character. Catholics have deified her based on some extra-Biblical ideas.

But I think the Catholics and the Protestants and the Orthodox agree on God being three aspects, the flesh, the spirit, and the Identity of God. The same as you are body, mind, and spirit.

[Mike Teavee]

1 minute ago, canuckamuck said:

There is some foundational stuff that is common to most Christians, but there are some major disagreements as well. I am sure that you could find some basic explanations on Google.

Protestants don't consider Mary other than another Biblical character. Catholics have deified her based on some extra-Biblical ideas.

But I think the Catholics and the Protestants and the Orthodox agree on God being three aspects, the flesh, the spirit, and the Identity of God. The same as you are body, mind, and spirit.

As opposoed to the Father, Mother & Holy Ghost?

 

Seriously... Now I know you guys are just making it up as you go along..

 

 

[mauGR1]

6 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

But I think the Catholics and the Protestants and the Orthodox agree on God being three aspects, the flesh, the spirit, and the Identity of God. The same as you are body, mind, and spirit.

What i find slightly irritating is that some of us are trying to have a honest debate, like a game of chess, then a brat comes, overturn the table and yell: "victory !"

.. If you complain, they call you names..????

[canuckamuck]

10 minutes ago, Mike Teavee said:

As opposoed to the Father, Mother & Holy Ghost?

 

Seriously... Now I know you guys are just making it up as you go along..

 

 

 If you are just havin a laff, try a few emoji's to give a hint.

Edited December 22, 2019 by canuckamuck

[Mike Teavee]

1 minute ago, mauGR1 said:

What i find slightly irritating is that some of us are trying to have a honest debate, like a game of chess, then a brat comes, overturn the table and yell: "victory !"

.. If you complain, they call you names..????

Was that aimed at me??? [Noticed you didn't have the balls to quote anybody]

 

I'm asking sensible questions & giving my viewpoint, but because they don't fit in with yours, you disparage, without having the b0llax to come out and say it... 

 

Oh & come on, being told to Google "God"!!! wasn't a 4ckin ridiculous suggestion??? 

 

[Mike Teavee]

1 minute ago, canuckamuck said:

 If you are just havin a laff, try a few emoji's to give a hint.

I'm serious, if I was having a giraffe I would have used a few emojis... 

 

You're making it up as you go along 

[canuckamuck]

3 minutes ago, Mike Teavee said:

I'm serious, if I was having a giraffe I would have used a few emojis... 

 

You're making it up as you go along 

I gave you good answers and you gave me Monty Python.

And Google has lots of info on the basic tenants of all religions. How is that ridiculous?

Edited December 22, 2019 by canuckamuck

[mauGR1]

3 minutes ago, Mike Teavee said:

Was that aimed at me??? [Noticed you didn't have the balls to quote anybody]

 

I'm asking sensible questions & giving my viewpoint, but because they don't fit in with yours, you disparage, without having the b0llax to come out and say it... 

 

Oh & come on, being told to Google "God"!!! wasn't a 4ckin ridiculous suggestion??? 

 

Ahh, i'm not having the balls, nice of you.

Your sensible questions are a joke, but what you fail to understand, is that you are kidding yourself.

[Mike Teavee]

Just now, canuckamuck said:

I gave you good answers and you gave me Monty Python.

And Google has lots of info on the basic tenants of all religions. How is that ridiculous?

You really thing you gave me good answers?

 

<deleted> I should have asked Bing... 

[Mike Teavee]

1 minute ago, mauGR1 said:

Ahh, i'm not having the balls, nice of you.

Your sensible questions are a joke, but what you fail to understand, is that you are kidding yourself.

No Ms... You're sadly deluding yourself, but if you get some kind of benefit/peace from it then good to luck to you... [And I honestly mean that]

 

Have a nice life (There's fck all waiting for you on the otherside)

 

[Sunmaster]

6 hours ago, Mike Teavee said:

You really thing you gave me good answers?

 

<deleted> I should have asked Bing... 

He took the time to explain something that you could have easily looked up using Google or Bing. The very  least you could do is not to make fun of it.

[Sunmaster]

6 hours ago, Mike Teavee said:

Have a nice life (There's fck all waiting for you on the otherside)

 

How do you know?

Actually, nevermind...you're going on the ignore list anyway.

Edited December 22, 2019 by Sunmaster

[Mike Teavee]

Just now, Sunmaster said:

He took the time to explain something that you could have easily looked up using Google or Bing. The very  least you could do is not to make fun of it.

Explained what... The Mumbo Jumbo from his particular "Church" (and how many are there).

 

I won't post another clip from Life of Brian as clearly it causes offence on this thread but the Christian religions can be summed up as "Follow the Gourd, NO follow the shoe"

 

I asked a simple question about why Christians believe in Jesus & not God & got some story about how Jesus was really God reborn, in that case why was was it his Father's Kingdom,.. Oh wait, because he rebirthed himself to a virgin mother)...

 

Making it up as they go along... 

 

 

 

Given up even trying to debate with people who cannot hold a decent argument but revert to calling names...

 

 

 

 

 

[canuckamuck]

How heavy those preconceptions can be.

[CharlieH]

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[elliss]

On 11/7/2019 at 1:53 PM, ravip said:

Possibly those people may change their minds when they are close to death, until then they will keep denying anything which is beyond the theories of official science.

 

Why is this so? The younger dudes dont believe in religion, but when they age and are near the end of their journey they embrace some belief. Also, people who are faced with many serious issues do the same.

Could this be a reason that they are stretching out in desperation for the last straw?

If there is a credible God, this world should be perfect and we all should be happy, isn't it?

 

 

       When surgeons, can not help you anymore .

       God is the last straw , without hope and prayer , it is a lonely death . Rip.

 

 

Edited December 22, 2019 by elliss

[Sunmaster]

51 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

I would listen to him and take his advices as  boxing is something concrete. 

 

I will listen to somebody who pretend he knows better about faith, God...

 

Not necessarily believe him, or following his advices, as it is something abstract and he may consider himself as a specialist, pretending knowing better than I do, but that's is only his opinion. 

 

"Pretending"... hmmm

You think someone who spends his life meditating, specializing in the art of introspection, dedicating all his energies to be one with God, upholding the highest goals of Truth and Wisdom.......will then pretend to be something he's not? Will be a slave of his ego and try to deceive you?

Doesn't make any sense, does it?

 

God is only abstract when you try understand him intellectually. Thankfully there are ways to break the illusion and introduce you to the 'God-experience'. And they are free, available to all.

[Mike Teavee]

50 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

How do you know?

Actually, nevermind...you're going on the ignore list anyway.

 

If you ever get there...