Do you believe in God and why

[mauGR1]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

To be blunt the truth is, given that free will is one of the rules of the game, everyone creates their own justice and justice is served all of the time.  Again, keep in mind that the world works as it does despite anyone's beliefs about how it should work.  Therefore do not be shocked if answers are not what one expects them to be.

If the answers are not what one expects then it's a matter of suspending whatever believes one holds at least long enough to give the answer some fair consideration.  What generally happens is that other answers then follow which clarify the original answer.  This is how it's always worked for me.  I discount very little out of hand.  I'll keep an idea in mind without accepting it but I at least allow myself to play with the idea.  Life is meant to be playful.  Unfortunately people have conditioned themselves to be much, much to serious.  Jai yen yen. 

 

That's refreshing, for 1 moment i was thinking to hear you saying that the funding fathers were deities or visitors from space.

All ok then????

[Tippaporn]

14 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Well free will got a different meaning now!

 

I believe I wanted to be good in sport because I wanted attention from my father! Was it free will or a tool to get what I wanted? Later it gave me not only attention from my father, but from girls, and other in the class, the school, media wanted me, and teachers treated me different because I was good in sport and had excuses to not do my homework in time and also other benefits like approved leave early on Fridays or even Thursdays. 

 

I'm just saying, we have choices, but do we really have choices? 

 

Birds kick their siblings out just make sure they get food so they can survive 

Nice story, Hummin.

Experience follows belief.  The world is simply a faithful reflection of what's in your head.  The subjective you.  You are free to believe anything you want at any time.  I know for sure that you accept that.  Yet people aren't trained to follow their thoughts through to their physical manifestation.  Hence the reason why events seem either nonsensical or thrust upon one.

The siblings who were kicked out, and presumably died, were operating with free will.  From the perspective of someone who is not familiar with how it works it then certainly appears that the poor little birdie was murdered by it's sibling and then experiences all of the sadness that emanates from that belief.

I'm sure you've been to your share of parties, Hummin.  I think I can safely assume that on certain occasions  you stayed until the party ended and on other occasions you left quite early.  Some come to the party of life and stay very late.  Others come and leave early.  But just as it's been entirely your choice to stay or leave so it is also the choice of those coming here to stay late or leave early.  Reality is never thrust upon anyone from the outside.

 

[mauGR1]

15 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I think most of humans goal was to survive and populate, only a tiny little fraction of our time have been to have joy, and exploit and abuse our reward center in our brain for pure joy only. Those chemicals given as a reward whos only purpose was to keep us alive by giving us the treat to hunt and collect food as well populate.

If you're interested in history, you might like the work of anthropologist Jared Diamonds.

"Guns, germs and steel"gives you quite a vivid picture of how the tribal societies developed into modern societies. 

 

[Hummin]

17 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Nice story, Hummin.

Experience follows belief.  The world is simply a faithful reflection of what's in your head.  The subjective you.  You are free to believe anything you want at any time.  I know for sure that you accept that.  Yet people aren't trained to follow their thoughts through to their physical manifestation.  Hence the reason why events seem either nonsensical or thrust upon one.

The siblings who were kicked out, and presumably died, were operating with free will.  From the perspective of someone who is not familiar with how it works it then certainly appears that the poor little birdie was murdered by it's sibling and then experiences all of the sadness that emanates from that belief.

I'm sure you've been to your share of parties, Hummin.  I think I can safely assume that on certain occasions  you stayed until the party ended and on other occasions you left quite early.  Some come to the party of life and stay very late.  Others come and leave early.  But just as it's been entirely your choice to stay or leave so it is also the choice of those coming here to stay late or leave early.  Reality is never thrust upon anyone from the outside.

 

I'm talking about our whole existence throughout our whole evolving until today. As we are now, we have only existed the last 10 000 years, not more, even our brain haven't changed much in 35 000 years more or less. I believe your thoughts is a spinoff of reality seeking an answer. 

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I'm talking about our whole existence throughout our whole evolving until today. As we are now, we have only existed the last 10 000 years, not more, even our brain haven't changed much in 35 000 years more or less. I believe your thoughts is a spinoff of reality seeking an answer. 

Physicists understand that time is simultaneous.  How does that effect your statements?

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Physicists understand that time is simultaneous.  How does that effect your statements?

On planet earth we have time that is easy to measure, however what physicists are divided on is the cause of time. It is not a mystery that any physician deny time and space. If we look at the universe with multiple universes perhaps and unknown galaxies with life alike earth, then we can start debating time, and what time really is. If consensus is universal ( if consensus is real) among these universes and without boundaries, then yes, what is time and space. So many different thoughts and theories without any sensible proof.

 

Interesting what some scientists can se traces of, and others do not find the same answers,  but again, even science might be a result of belief as well even they find proof in one research it is not possible to recreate the same answers. Quite interesting

[mauGR1]

16 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Physicists understand that time is simultaneous.  How does that effect your statements?

 

16 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Interesting what some scientists can se traces of, and others do not find the same answers

Space-time is an illusion. 

When i was young i took some lsd and i saw it clearly ????

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

 

Space-time is an illusion. 

When i was young i took some lsd and i saw it clearly ????

Haha, bet you did. I only needed a joint before I took a walk in the space while Jimmy hendrix played guitar and I was shot at with lazers. 
 

Another time I had to hold on to the table to not leave my body, so Yes I can understand why some believe in other realities. Actually we indeed played Pink Floyd at that one, but Jimmy Hendrix and me was in space together only

 

 

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Haha, bet you did. I only needed a joint before I took a walk in the space while Jimmy hendrix played guitar and I was shot at with lazers. 
 

Another time I had to hold on to the table to not leave my body, so Yes I can understand why some believe in other realities. Actually we indeed played Pink Floyd at that one, but Jimmy Hendrix and me was in space together only

 

 

Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane were not too bad either.

Great times to be a kid, and great music. 

[Hummin]

45 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

 

Space-time is an illusion. 

When i was young i took some lsd and i saw it clearly ????

Have not deared to try lsd yet, because I obviously have a sensitive brain for stimulants 

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Have not deared to try lsd yet, because I obviously have a sensitive brain for stimulants 

Meditation, breathing exercises, or chanting mantras can take you there with just a little effort. 

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Meditation, breathing exercises, or chanting mantras can take you there with just a little effort. 

I have great experiences with meditations to, also passed out twice freediving. 
 

First time I entered another dimension and second time from everything just fine, no need to breathe and instant black, gone. Both times  waking up at the surface with a great feeling of high and joy in the arms of my safety buddy. 
 

Black outs is a normal phenomenon when you passed your limits, and you get a gas change in your blood on your way up from the depth with higher pressure. 
 

Our body is amazing with all its functions, chemistry and also limits. If I had been diving alone,, I would for real passed to the other side.

 

This is quite interesting read

 

 

The Brain Waves of a Dying Person Have Been Recorded in Detail For The First Time

https://www.sciencealert.com/for-the-first-time-scientists-have-recorded-the-brain-waves-of-a-dying-person

[The Hammer2021]

14 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

That alone is worth a lengthy debate.

I think that examining consciousness in the state of sleep, including the dream activity, can offer some important clue though. 

Why?

[mauGR1]

5 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Why?

I don't think you are really interested, am i wrong?

[The Hammer2021]

3 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

I don't think you are really interested, am i wrong?

I think the idea that dream activity reflects any theological insights is preposterous. WHY do you think otherwise?

[mauGR1]

16 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

I think the idea that dream activity reflects any theological insights is preposterous. WHY do you think otherwise?

Theological insights?

I was talking about consciousness. 

Your consciousness is different when you sleep. When dreaming is different. 

When you are awake is different..ok ?

When you are awake, you are conscious about your physical body, your physical senses are constantly at work. when you dream the physical senses are out of the picture, so to speak, but your soul is still active.

Now imagine the 5 senses as doors of perception of the reality which surrounds you, and consider the soul/mind as a more complex "door of perception".ok ?

Then, having closed 5 doors of perception, reality has only 1 door to flow in, and is no more influenced by the physical senses. 

That makes your ego much lighter, and gives you a different perception of reality, isn't it.

How is this preposterous?

[thaibeachlovers]

On 7/29/2022 at 4:19 PM, KhunLA said:

Found it in the mirror ... ????

LOL. You can't see faith, touch it, smell it, breath it, hear it. It comes from within and no one else can give it to you.

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

 

Space-time is an illusion. 

When i was young i took some lsd and i saw it clearly ????

A friend was once going to give me some LSD, but chickened out. Looking back now, I'm glad as I might have got hooked.

Weed never did anything for me- never got high, and wasn't going to ever try the bad stuff. Any highs in my life have been done by nature and I'm happy with that.

[Hummin]

3 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Theological insights?

I was talking about consciousness. 

Your consciousness is different when you sleep. When dreaming is different. 

When you are awake is different..ok ?

When you are awake, you are conscious about your physical body, your physical senses are constantly at work. when you dream the physical senses are out of the picture, so to speak, but your soul is still active.

Now imagine the 5 senses as doors of perception of the reality which surrounds you, and consider the soul/mind as a more complex "door of perception".ok ?

Then, having closed 5 doors of perception, reality has only 1 door to flow in, and is no more influenced by the physical senses. 

That makes your ego much lighter, and gives you a different perception of reality, isn't it.

How is this preposterous?

How you sleep and what you are dreaming is a product of your life. If there is a  channel to another dimension, well, you create that by reading, absorbing, believing, and who knows if its your illusion or a truth, but we know, dreams is a reflection of your day, a debrief, and also a time for creativity for many who is obsessed with a thing, work, invention, relationships or whatever keeps your mind busy. 
 

Also therefor important to reset your self before sleep if you struggling with things in life, and give your self a break a couple of hours before you intend to sleep, and think about positive things even you do not feel for it, it is necessary to program yourself before sleep, so you are positive loaded when sleeping. 
 

I believe in self manumission of myself and use my brain capacity to solve my struggles with changing my thinking and cultivate positivity instead of negativity. 
 

If believing in another sleep dimension opening up you to your consensus state, that should work to. 
 

 

[mauGR1]

22 minutes ago, Hummin said:

How you sleep and what you are dreaming is a product of your life. If there is a  channel to another dimension, well, you create that by reading, absorbing, believing, and who knows if its your illusion or a truth, but we know, dreams is a reflection of your day, a debrief, and also a time for creativity for many who is obsessed with a thing, work, invention, relationships or whatever keeps your mind busy. 
 

Also therefor important to reset your self before sleep if you struggling with things in life, and give your self a break a couple of hours before you intend to sleep, and think about positive things even you do not feel for it, it is necessary to program yourself before sleep, so you are positive loaded when sleeping. 
 

I believe in self manumission of myself and use my brain capacity to solve my struggles with changing my thinking and cultivate positivity instead of negativity. 
 

If believing in another sleep dimension opening up you to your consensus state, that should work to. 
 

 

If you don't believe that you are a soul before being a body, and you think that you are only a physical being , it's quite possible that you'll end with the end of your body. 

My opinion is that the physical body is like a cloth, and the brain is a sort of processor. 

While it's true that dreams reflect your life experiences, it's also true that your life experiences reflect your soul and your ego.

Whatever is good for you though, is ok for me too ????

[Hummin]

19 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

If you don't believe that you are a soul before being a body, and you think that you are only a physical being , it's quite possible that you'll end with the end of your body. 

My opinion is that the physical body is like a cloth, and the brain is a sort of processor. 

While it's true that dreams reflect your life experiences, it's also true that your life experiences reflect your soul and your ego.

Whatever is good for you though, is ok for me too ????

I more in to heritage and transferred memory from my ancestors  than having a personal soul that travels trough space and time, even I believe dna highly possible travel or most likely travel space from galaxy to galaxy, planet to planet. Maybe only wishful thinking, but Soul? Nope, seen and  met to many soulless individuals in my life, it cant be true. I have met many with great energy and a present beautiful soul, and also animals that I have connected with, but unfortunate a forever soul, I can not wrap my mind around. 

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Soul? Nope, seen and  met to many soulless individuals in my life, it cant be true

Yes, there seems to be soulless people around, but that's not a good reason to say that soul is a fantasy or a lie.

But, as i said, if you think that everything is the result of physical processes, i don't mind. 

[Hummin]

Just now, mauGR1 said:

Yes, there seems to be soulless people around, but that's not a good reason to say that soul is a fantasy or a lie.

But, as i said, if you think that everything is the result of physical processes, i don't mind. 

I'm here, like an live recover for now, what's after we will not know, even if our soul travel to next life, we will start at zero again, and do the same all over again without any knowledge of what have been before? It is a nice trait thow for some I guess, and as said before, I do not know, and I'm also fine with your belief, and mostly others as well, as long it doesn't harm anyone in one way or the other way.

 

Still the more I think about it, it makes sense when you read older scrips about eternal life, that it can mean life continue through your heritage memory.

 

Your heritage original sin follows you for generations, the better human you are in this life you transfer to your offspring, and more  

[mauGR1]

11 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Your heritage original sin follows you for generations, the better human you are in this life you transfer to your offspring, and more  

I don't believe in the "original sin".

Surely you get the physical traits from your parents, and  other influences, but if you look at the biography of various people, you'll find out that a genius can be born with ordinary parents , and an ordinary person can be born with extra ordinary parents. 

So in my view, the imprinting of the soul is a real thing, and it doesn't depend on your parents, but it depends just on you.

While it's true that most of us have no memory of past lives, some people do.

Yes, you can say that it's just an illusion, but then, most of what comes through one's mind/soul can be regarded as illusion. 

[Hummin]

10 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

I don't believe in the "original sin".

Surely you get the physical traits from your parents, and  other influences, but if you look at the biography of various people, you'll find out that a genius can be born with ordinary parents , and an ordinary person can be born with extra ordinary parents. 

So in my view, the imprinting of the soul is a real thing, and it doesn't depend on your parents, but it depends just on you.

While it's true that most of us have no memory of past lives, some people do.

Yes, you can say that it's just an illusion, but then, most of what comes through one's mind/soul can be regarded as illusion. 

You forget the 7 generation rule! I'm more alike my grandfather than my father as an example without any proof of course.

[mauGR1]

15 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You forget the 7 generation rule! I'm more alike my grandfather than my father as an example without any proof of course.

Yes, apparently modern science is confirming what the bible says. 

Just Google "epigenetics ".

[mauGR1]

8 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

26 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You forget the 7 generation rule! I'm more alike my grandfather than my father as an example without any proof of course.

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Yes, apparently modern science is confirming what the bible says. 

Just Google "epigenetics ".

Disclaimer:

I googled epigenetics myself, there are lots of articles, but I don't see the one i was referring to.

Your point is valid, of course, one can be similar to his grand grandfather and less similar to his father. 

Obviously this is not an argument in favour, or against the existence of the soul and the theory of reincarnation. 

[KhunLA]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. You can't see faith, touch it, smell it, breath it, hear it. It comes from within and no one else can give it to you.

Hence the 'finding in the mirror'.  Got faith in 'me only', and the wife & kid are pretty darn good also.   I can see, smell, hear, and we're touched by our faith in each other. 

 

That's real, I can feel that, and don't need some stranger to preach his/her/it's version on their holy day to me, about some fantasy they blindly follow, because some other preacher told them to, or they'll rot on some type of eternal hell.

 

The rest of the world, can't really say  have much faith in any part that's touched by humans.  An embarrassing species, with few exceptions.

[mauGR1]

21 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

That's real, I can feel that, and don't need some stranger to preach his/her/it's version on their holy day to me, about some fantasy they blindly follow, because some other preacher told them to, or they'll rot on some type of eternal hell.

I'm 62, and I've never met the type you describe. 

Perhaps it's a product of your fantasy ????

I believe the world, the universe are part of an intelligent design, and i can assure you that it's not blind faith, but well-pondered examination of facts. 

So you see a clock, and you know it's built by humans, then you see the solar system, and that is a random effect of some big bang.

So you also think that there's no intelligent life in the whole universe, apart from humans ?

 

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Hence the 'finding in the mirror'.  Got faith in 'me only', and the wife & kid are pretty darn good also.   I can see, smell, hear, and we're touched by our faith in each other. 

 

That's real, I can feel that, and don't need some stranger to preach his/her/it's version on their holy day to me, about some fantasy they blindly follow, because some other preacher told them to, or they'll rot on some type of eternal hell.

 

The rest of the world, can't really say  have much faith in any part that's touched by humans.  An embarrassing species, with few exceptions.

You are a privileged white man who have everything you need, and as you state, you do not need any fairytale figure to be thankfull for everything you got, neither do you pray for forgiveness or change in your life. For poor people, people who feel lost, need a meaning to explain all the horrible things going on in the world, it is different, they search for something or some to comfort them that everything is going to be ok, and also the need of someone who can listen to their story and their problems. 
 

Where we come from we have or many have resources to go to a shrink who can do exactly the same. 
 

Sometimes it takes a little bit understanding and empathy to understand simple things. 
 

You and me are privileged with choices