Do you believe in God and why

[mauGR1]

4 minutes ago, Nickelbeer said:

Needless to say, God does not seem to be very busy if he does exist.

That's unfair imho. 

What exactly would you expect God to do for you, if i may ask ?

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Nickelbeer said:

I wasn’t around when the earth was created, so I don’t have a firm answer for you. Neither does anyone else. I just try to live the most moral life that I can and let religion alone. Needless to say, God does not seem to be very busy if he does exist.

"God does not seem to be very busy"

 

Do you think planet earth is the only one with life on it?

How about the other billions of planets in the universe that probably have life forms on them requiring some attention as well?

 

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, Hummin said:

Speaking to friends and relatives can also do wonders as well speaking to professionals. 

Re "speaking to professionals" you do know that they cost biggly, and unless rich, rich, rich are not an option, unless living in a Utopian country where the taxpayers funds such?

The NHS used to fund such, but only for a limited time, which may not be long enough to make a difference.

Do you actually have friends that would let you tell them all your problems? IMO most would cease to be friends if they had that sort of thing put on them, and even if they did allow it, what solutions could untrained folk offer?

As for relatives, I don't know any that I would want to unload on even if they allowed it. Not all relatives are caring people.

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Re "speaking to professionals" you do know that they cost biggly, and unless rich, rich, rich are not an option, unless living in a Utopian country where the taxpayers funds such?

The NHS used to fund such, but only for a limited time, which may not be long enough to make a difference.

Do you actually have friends that would let you tell them all your problems? IMO most would cease to be friends if they had that sort of thing put on them, and even if they did allow it, what solutions could untrained folk offer?

As for relatives, I don't know any that I would want to unload on even if they allowed it. Not all relatives are caring people.

In late age I got a full screening and psychologist for free, and I got friends who-was quite opened minded who climbed, skydived, white water kayaking, base jumping. Friends who often was spiritual grounded, and we often discussed the meaning of life, maybe because of the nature of the sport being lethal. We lost every year several friends doing what they loved, or sometimes to suicide. ADHD, ptsd, and some bipolar spectre’s with more is not unusual in creative and highly dangerous sports, and I would say in some more challenging involving high risk profession’s, we also have tendencies of same types of personalities who have accepted and willing to risk it all, to do what they are trained for. No statistic of course or proved data and of course many border line types as well.
 

I would say many of the same types  might search for new excitement in life and take risk on other areas in life not involving risk of their life, but high risk in economics. Maybe moving to a new country? Give up and let go of their old life and start a complete new life without safety net, which they should have, or a good plan b. 
 

Of course the result for my struggles both chronicle and my mental health, was heavy medication, offered by the leading psychiatrist. I knew I could live a good life without, because I did function good when I did not have any chronic issues, and now started to learn how to change my life physical and mentally. I had 5 hours only with a psychologist, one month with screening together with a group, and two hours with psychiatrist.

 

what I learned by the group, was how they had narrowed down their options and their possibilities and given up, broken either by the toxic environment they grew up in, or the system they had been placed in to protect them, and had no more will or energy or belief in them self, that they could overcome their struggles. This is people who had function good for most of their life with families and work, but experienced one or more life crises. 
 

Well anyway, have to stop my ramble her, need to go,

 

I am a person who like to do small puzzles and read science and also love the theories about our brains plasticity and how we can manipulate our self, as well how positivity can change you, how you feel, how you see the world, colours, taste smell, and more. 
 

 the moral is, we can do alot for our self, creating our own reality in a positive way as we all maybe already now,, all roads leads to Rome someone said 

Edited August 3, 2022 by Hummin

[Fat is a type of crazy]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

In late age I got a full screening and psychologist for free, and I got friends who-was quite opened minded who climbed, skydived, white water kayaking, base jumping. Friends who often was spiritual grounded, and we often discussed the meaning of life, maybe because of the nature of the sport being lethal. We lost every year several friends doing what they loved, or sometimes to suicide. ADHD, ptsd, and some bipolar spectre’s with more is not unusual in creative and highly dangerous sports, and I would say in some more challenging involving high risk profession’s, we also have tendencies of same types of personalities who have accepted and willing to risk it all, to do what they are trained for. No statistic of course or proved data and of course many border line types as well.
 

I would say many of the same types  might search for new excitement in life and take risk on other areas in life not involving risk of their life, but high risk in economics. Maybe moving to a new country? Give up and let go of their old life and start a complete new life without safety net, which they should have, or a good plan b. 
 

Of course the result for my struggles both chronicle and my mental health, was heavy medication, offered by the leading psychiatrist. I knew I could live a good life without, because I did function good when I did not have any chronic issues, and now started to learn how to change my life physical and mentally. I had 5 hours only with a psychologist, one month with screening together with a group, and two hours with psychiatrist.

 

what I learned by the group, was how they had narrowed down their options and their possibilities and given up, broken either by the toxic environment they grew up in, or the system they had been placed in to protect them, and had no more will or energy or belief in them self, that they could overcome their struggles. This is people who had function good for most of their life with families and work, but experienced one or more life crises. 
 

Well anyway, have to stop my ramble her, need to go,

 

I am a person who like to do small puzzles and read science and also love the theories about our brains plasticity and how we can manipulate our self, as well how positivity can change you, how you feel, how you see the world, colours, taste smell, and more. 
 

 the moral is, we can do alot for our self, creating our own reality in a positive way as we all maybe already now,, all roads leads to Rome someone said 

If ever I have an opinion that’s against porn or prostitution or gambling or drugs it is not because the people doing it are bad or the act itself is bad but that we have to know our limitations in terms of dealing with stimulus. It sounds like you have had an interesting high adrenaline  life and it might be that going back to a normal life is hard and causes some of difficulties. Same with some of the other stimulus. Not an original thought but it is the one thing that religion might teach that has merit. That we are not as strong or as free as we think we are. We have to work for it bit by bit.

Edited August 3, 2022 by Fat is a type of crazy

[Fat is a type of crazy]

I did want to note my post above discussing vices was not to indicate the person I was replying to was such a person. Just noting that I feel there are two ways of looking at life. One is a more buddhist approach of finding yourself within. The other is that by pushing boundaries in all sorts of ways you can find yourself. The latter is more appealing but I just find the former to be a more honest appraisal of human nature. Could be based on personality type too and the degree to which such indulgences or risks are done in good faith. 

 

[mauGR1]

8 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Just noting that I feel there are two ways of looking at life. One is a more buddhist approach of finding yourself..

Really? 2 ways to look at life ?

Just look at this thread, which is a sort of microcosm, and you will find all kind of ways to look at life.

In fact, in a way, every man or woman is a species in itself. 

Pls excuse the short post ????

 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

4 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Really? 2 ways to look at life ?

Just look at this thread, which is a sort of microcosm, and you will find all kind of ways to look at life.

In fact, in a way, every man or woman is a species in itself. 

Pls excuse the short post ????

 

I just mean 2 broad categories i.e. if we are to find ourselves in some form, is testing ourselves in the world the way to do go, or can you find it within. The two options could encompass everything from extreme meditation and staying alone, on the one hand, or total indulgence of the senses, or extreme hard work, or extreme sports on the other. Taking mushrooms and such may seem to be in both categories but has its own significant risks. 

I think it is likely a combination of both approaches might be best, but towards the middle, rather than in at the extremes or acting in a way that is logically likely to hurt you or others. 

Maybe finding yourself is just a load of cobblers. 

[mauGR1]

12 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Maybe finding yourself is just a load of cobblers. 

Thanks for the morning giggle ????

Yes, maybe but maybe not.

Why divide humans in 2 categories?

That's very unscientific imho, even a peasant would raise an eyebrow ????

 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

1 minute ago, mauGR1 said:

Thanks for the morning giggle ????

Yes, maybe but maybe not.

Why divide humans in 2 categories?

That's very unscientific imho, even a peasant would raise an eyebrow ????

 

It's not dividing humans but dividing what can be done to find oneself. Either look within or act in the outside world. Not sure if there's a third category. 

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

It's not dividing humans but dividing what can be done to find oneself. Either look within or act in the outside world. Not sure if there's a third category. 

I don't recognize myself in your categories. So there are at least 3 categories .

I think you are over simplifying, as I'll get never tired to repeat, our individual consciousness makes everyone, everyone extremely different. 

I'm a bit surprised that you cannot see it.

Btw, which category are you ?

[Fat is a type of crazy]

11 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

I don't recognize myself in your categories. So there are at least 3 categories .

I think you are over simplifying, as I'll get never tired to repeat, our individual consciousness makes everyone, everyone extremely different. 

I'm a bit surprised that you cannot see it.

Btw, which category are you ?

I am not saying we are one or the other but that if there is a part of us to be found, or a certain peacefulness or heart to be found, it may be found through introspection or meditation on the one hand or through lessons learned in an active life on the other, or both. My point then is that extremes on either side are in my opinion less likely to lead to good outcomes. I could be wrong. I think everyone probably uses a bit of both but the more sensitive types might be hurt too much by too much action or indulgence and benefit more from  looking inwards. Hope this makes sense.

Edited August 4, 2022 by Fat is a type of crazy

[mauGR1]

4 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I am not saying we are one or the other but that if there is a part of us to be found, or a certain peacefulness or heart to be found, it may be found through introspection or meditation on the one hand or through lessons learned in an active life on the other, or both. My point then is that extremes on either side are in my opinion less likely to lead to good outcomes. I could be wrong. I think everyone probably uses a bit of both but the more sensitive types might be hurt too much by too much action or indulgence and benefit more from  looking inwards. Hope this makes sense.

Yes, thanks for clarifying .

So in fact you are saying now that every man of woman are different, and extremes are dangerous. 

Ok, it makes sense.

I also don't like very much extremists, persons or ideals, but they exist, and it would be unethical for my principles to suppress them.

Any suppression implies extreme intolerance. 

Do we really want to go there ?

[Fat is a type of crazy]

Just now, mauGR1 said:

Yes, thanks for clarifying .

So in fact you are saying now that every man of woman are different, and extremes are dangerous. 

Ok, it makes sense.

I also don't like very much extremists, persons or ideals, but they exist, and it would be unethical for my principles to suppress them.

Any suppression implies extreme intolerance. 

Do we really want to go there ?

 I find this topic a key issue of life but maybe to others it seems like nothing much. I am talking about the implications of our own actions on our selves. The way to live life. Not whether we should police the actions of others for their own benefit. But I suppose the religious and political view is often that we should. 

I am differentiating too between say the more subtle adverse aspects of drugs in finding your better self as against the adverse bigger effects to your actual life and health. 

[mauGR1]

18 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

 I find this topic a key issue of life but maybe to others it seems like nothing much. I am talking about the implications of our own actions on our selves. The way to live life. Not whether we should police the actions of others for their own benefit. But I suppose the religious and political view is often that we should. 

I am differentiating too between say the more subtle adverse aspects of drugs in finding your better self as against the adverse bigger effects to your actual life and health. 

I respect your opinions, i was just pointing out at the over-simplification in dividing the humans in 2 categories, where my point is that there are infinite ( yes, like God) categories. 

Tomorrow i can be a totally different person from yesterday. 

Even if we look at some theory of natural science, where apparently the cells of our bodies completely renew every 7 years or so....

...so, technically, after 7 years your body is a different body..

Well, if you understand my point, fine, otherwise, fine ????

[Fat is a type of crazy]

2 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

I respect your opinions, i was just pointing out at the over-simplification in dividing the humans in 2 categories, where my point is that there are infinite ( yes, like God) categories. 

Tomorrow i can be a totally different person from yesterday. 

Even if we look at some theory of natural science, where apparently the cells of our bodies completely renew every 7 years or so....

...so, technically, after 7 years your body is a different body..

Well, if you understand my point, fine, otherwise, fine ????

I am not dividing humans into 2 categories as I already stated above. We can look in or out. 2 things. Don't think there's a third category. 

[mauGR1]

13 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I am not dividing humans into 2 categories as I already stated above. We can look in or out. 2 things. Don't think there's a third category. 

Really ?

You are wrong again then.

You are contradicting yourself in just 6 lines.

Well done ! ????

Fyi, i, and many others,  are looking in and out and between.

It's not difficult, you can try too ????

[Fat is a type of crazy]

7 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Really ?

You are wrong again then.

You are contradicting yourself in just 6 lines.

Well done ! ????

Fyi, i, and many others,  are looking in and out and between.

It's not difficult, you can try too ????

In. Out. Combinations of in and out. Not sure about looking in between. I think I'd go cross eyed. 

[mauGR1]

Just now, Fat is a type of crazy said:

In. Out. Combinations of in and out. Not sure about looking in between. I think I'd go cross eyed. 

Yes, when i say in between, i mean various combinations, but mainly the relationship between in an out.

In other words, if you can examine an object (material) a sensation (animic) or a concept (spiritual) through as many as you can different points of view, you can get closer to the objective reality. 

 

[Hummin]

I do believe we as humans are born with different skills, and also more talented in diferent areas we can learn if we put the hard work in, and very few have extraordinary skills and can be good at anything they want to do. Common for everyone we need stimuli to get started, and we need reward to continue, but again, we have both introvert’s and extrovert’s where attention can work different. 
 

I believe most people who feel they do not fit in the norms, or do not see where they belong will in some way start to abuse stimuli. When I was 12 (a little coincidence) I failed to see the meaning of life, and started to see the pattern of lies and so called truths we had been thought. It was post Vietnam, Irani revolution started, Israel Palestine conflict, and I started to see a different picture than I was told. Because of the controversial world situation I saw, and the connections of how history leads us to the result we see in realtime,  I felt I did not get the intellectual stimulation I needed, and I had questions my parents could not answer, or my teachers nor anyone else could answer, I started to feel lost and stuck with to many unanswered questions Nobody was even willing to discuss. Even before 12 I also saw how we treated animals and the nature around us, and that was something I could feel inside as pain, and It was the wake up for me to start investigating more about politics. Im no radical and more or less in center where I can see both sides as right or wrong, or least evil. 
 

Anyway lack of intellectual and physical stimulus I found my escape in extreme sports.
 

I  believe we are driven by stimulus, and in lack of felt purpose for the right reasons, I guess we or many start to escape reality and create our own purposes and realities to reach our reward system to feel better about our self. That said, even if its just for a short instant fix, and it comes with mixed feelings for good and bad. My experience was for the long shot involving problem solving and survive in a few pioneer sports where there where high risk and high reward. 
 

When it comes to prostitution I can not enjoy that, because, as said, I cant manage to oversee or manipulate myself away from the reality it involve for a girl to finely ending up in prostitution, and for what reasons she made that choice or ended up there of other reasons than of free will. 
 

However I have met prostitutes who obviously seems to manage life as good as anyone else around be it more accepted jobs, but also met people in accepted jobs who feel abused and taken advantage of, 
 

Yin Yang

[mauGR1]

15 hours ago, Hummin said:

Yin Yang

Yes, that's a magnificent tool to uncover many mysteries, both outside and inside, and in between ????

[Hummin]

5 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Yes, that's a magnificent tool to uncover many mysteries, both outside and inside, and in between ????

Thank you for your short and precise answer!

 

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[Hummin]

On 8/3/2022 at 3:10 AM, mauGR1 said:

Yes, there's a saying "will is power" that sums it pretty well.

Now, someone says that thoughts are electrical impulses produced by the brain, but if will power can shape the thought, where does the will power come from?

Egg or chicken problem? What came first?
 

 

[Hummin]

On 8/4/2022 at 3:33 AM, mauGR1 said:

 

Tomorrow i can be a totally different person from yesterday. 

 

That have a name “split personality” ????

 

But, I do believe that is rather normal than abnormal, because we often have to adopt to abnormal situations and environment ps which can be in conflict with our inner self.

[mauGR1]

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

That have a name “split personality” ????

 

But, I do believe that is rather normal than abnormal, because we often have to adopt to abnormal situations and environment ps which can be in conflict with our inner self.

I think the line between normal and abnormal is blurred. 

Who decides what is normal?

Adaptation is often seen as a sign of intelligence, but that's quite debatable. 

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

I think the line between normal and abnormal is blurred. 

Who decides what is normal?

Adaptation is often seen as a sign of intelligence, but that's quite debatable. 

Definition Normal is often based on whats best for the society, even it is in conflict with our true nature. 
 

War crimes is normal or not to take an extreme example? 

Edited August 5, 2022 by Hummin

[mauGR1]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Definition Normal is often based on whats best for the society, even it is in conflict with our true nature. 
 

War crimes is normal or not to take an extreme example? 

The problem is, who decides what is best for society?

As for war crimes, it may depend on who is writing the history, but it's safe to say that a war situation can easily turn good men into monsters. 

American Indians have been depicted for decades as the "bad guys " and recently it's the opposite. 

Who is right?

 

[Hummin]

11 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

The problem is, who decides what is best for society?

As for war crimes, it may depend on who is writing the history, but it's safe to say that a war situation can easily turn good men into monsters. 

American Indians have been depicted for decades as the "bad guys " and recently it's the opposite. 

Who is right?

 

For me it have always been quite obvious who was the evil! No matter how much and many western movies tried to give us the barbaric wild man picture.

 

How do we look back at old history of colonialism and recent direct and indirect involment in conflicts in Middle east? 

 

How some of the non democratic leaders served a purpose to manage control in the region, and how vulnerable our own ideals of democracy seems to be! 

 

Right now we are heading in the wrong direction on full speed, at least in my mind and how I see it, there is to many conflicts compare to my own ideals, that I have given up to even bother to care anymore. Unfortunate another absolute truth.

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

For me it have always been quite obvious who was the evil! No matter how much and many western movies tried to give us the barbaric wild man picture.

Obvious you say..

It's not so clear cut imho.

Some people don't agree with human sacrifice, yet it was apparently a common practice for indigenous people in central America. 

The myth of the "good savage" is the same as the myth of the "bad savage".

The same goes when there are conflicts involving a couple... we tend to have sympathy for the women, but women, imho, can be as nasty as men, although in a more subtle way.

 

[Hummin]

15 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Obvious you say..

It's not so clear cut imho.

Some people don't agree with human sacrifice, yet it was apparently a common practice for indigenous people in central America. 

The myth of the "good savage" is the same as the myth of the "bad savage".

The same goes when there are conflicts involving a couple... we tend to have sympathy for the women, but women, imho, can be as nasty as men, although in a more subtle way.

 

For your information, all cultures  had human sacrifice, it have been an universal phenomenon both voluntary and forced. Today we call it death penalty where somebody have to pay for what they have done and justice have been done to those who suffered for their action. Guilty or not, as long it is justified with an approved conviction.

 

In indigenous groups, their rituals was sacred and I believe it involved honor to be sacrificed, not as an punishment. 
 

Vikings did sacrifice humans as well, that have often been romanticized as some of the true wild barbarians who overcome everything. Well, nuff said, humans true nature let it live as free spirits leads to quite interesting things as history shows us. 
 

Does it justifies the slaughter of the indigenous people in America? And stealing their land? All in the name of the church? The Church who still practiced the Spanish Inquisition? 
 

 

Edited August 5, 2022 by Hummin