alfieconn Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Just received a traffic ticket for going through an red light ( i guess) when the picture within the summons clearly shows that i was over half way across the junction when it turned Red, should i appeal ? can i appeal ? only a 500 baht fine but it's more the principle than the money ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losworld Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Best to have an orange all the way through... you are better to stop quickly here even if it cn increase the danger of being hit from behind cause many of these lights are intentionally timed to close quickly resulting in more revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, losworld said: Best to have an orange all the way through... you are better to stop quickly here even if it cn increase the danger of being hit from behind cause many of these lights are intentionally timed to close quickly resulting in more revenue. Thanks but you haven't answered any of my questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayaout Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 You need to stop when the light is orange. However sometimes my wife doesn't even stop when the light is red. YMMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunderhill Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Which way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgw Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 @OP : how do you know that the second picture was taken exactly when the light turned red? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishcarlos Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, alfieconn said: when the picture within the summons clearly shows that i was over half way across the junction when it turned Red, No it clearly shows that the light was orange before you entered the junction but doesn't clearly show where you were when it went red !! Technically, you should have stopped on the orange light but you do that here at your peril, as 9 times out of 10 there will be someone right up your chuff.. I always take a look behind before deciding to stop or not ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 It's a gray zone. It the light turns yellow (as it is colored elsewhere) you have to break if possible without causing danger. That's the rule in countries I know (not from Thai law but guess no different). 500 Baht is cheap. I paid 800. A creeping pickup (almost walking speed) before me just made it for the right turn and I followed although the light went yellow before I passed the stopline. Don't appeal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacuum Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, alfieconn said: Just received a traffic ticket for going through an red light ( i guess) when the picture within the summons clearly shows that i was over half way across the junction when it turned Red, should i appeal ? can i appeal ? only a 500 baht fine but it's more the principle than the money ! Looking at the photo, all the oncoming traffic had already stopped before you entered the lights. Pay your fines and be prepared to stop at the yellow next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, tgw said: @OP : how do you know that the second picture was taken exactly when the light turned red? I don't but neither does anyone looking at the picture ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 And BTW: intentionally running alone over such a big junction is crazy dangerous. There is always this bike/taxi/van/truck that starts BEFORE green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcharacters Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 If the light turns red when you are in the intersection you have broken the law and can receive a citation. Easiest thing is to just fork over the small fine and be thankful Thailand has not yet adopted the point system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, tgw said: that any car without immediate followers would be required to make an emergency breaking That is what I call nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 You have to stop at amber, unless it is unsafe to do so. So yes, crossing the intersection with amber lights would most likely be illegal, since it indicates you had plenty of time to stop. There was a similar discussion here recently BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaiLai Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 i think you should appeal, pls report back with how it went.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgw Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said: That is what I call nonsense. I do absolutely agree with you. Yet this apparently is what the law requires. Or is "must stop" ambiguous ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLover Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 31 minutes ago, alfieconn said: only a 500 baht fine but it's more the principle than the money ! Invest in copious amounts of pain medicine to assist with your 'principle war' of futility. You may want to retake your eye color test, unless yellow is the new orange. What a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasThBKK Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Quote If the driver has passed the stop line when the traffic light turns yellow, he may go through. http://thailaws.com/law/t_laws/tlaw0140_5.pdf#targetText=If the driver has passed,crossing pedestrians or other vehicles. What's considered the stop line here?! There must be a stop line in front of the main line? If i am already over the line i can't see the light anymore..?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, alfieconn said: Thanks but you haven't answered any of my questions. Whatever, I'd say it was life threatening though, I always wait a few seconds after green because guaranteed someone will dash across at red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgw Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said: http://thailaws.com/law/t_laws/tlaw0140_5.pdf#targetText=If the driver has passed,crossing pedestrians or other vehicles. What's considered the stop line here?! There must be a stop line in front of the main line? If i am already over the line i can't see the light anymore..?! based on this, OP should be let off the hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennyW Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Slow down and prepare to stop on amber if safe to do so, by the looks of the picture you should and could have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remorhaz Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 The question of legality can be addressed by use of this simple flowchart. Please see below... Are a you falang? A) Yes - it's illegal and you have to pay a fine B) No - gun it and proceed making sure to do a wheelie and to leave at least 1/2 a cm of rubber on the pavement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, remorhaz said: The question of legality can be addressed by use of this simple flowchart. Please see below... Are a you falang? A) Yes - it's illegal and you have to pay a fine B) No - gun it and proceed making sure to do a wheelie and to leave at least 1/2 a cm of rubber on the pavement. We're having a serious discussion here, please stop this nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenslegs Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Land Traffic Act, B.E. 2522 (1979) Section 22 ... Yellow: the driver shall prepare to stop the vehicle behind the stop line. If the driver has passed the stop line when the traffic light turns yellow, he may go through. The photo shows that the traffic light turned to yellow well before the vehicle reached the stop line. The vehicle should have stopped. That is the law, but not the custom. I agree with others - it can be dangerous to stop quickly, as many drivers behind may be accelerating to get through before the light changes to red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, chickenslegs said: Land Traffic Act, B.E. 2522 (1979) Section 22 ... Yellow: the driver shall prepare to stop the vehicle behind the stop line. If the driver has passed the stop line when the traffic light turns yellow, he may go through. The photo shows that the traffic light turned to yellow well before the vehicle reached the stop line. The vehicle should have stopped. That is the law, but not the custom. I agree with others - it can be dangerous to stop quickly, as many drivers behind may be accelerating to get through before the light changes to red. The case at hand is easy though: Op could and should have stopped, there was time to do it and there was nobody dangerously close behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Smith Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I got one at same intersection, a couple of days ago! Guess have to try & stop on orange in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 27 minutes ago, stevenl said: There was a similar discussion here recently BTW. Yes there was. And I would say the same thing I did then, that is, I go through yellow lights all the time. In heavy traffic, there is almost always another vehicle following me through. Which means I probably would have been rear-ended if I stopped. What city is the OP in? Just hope they're not cracking down in Chiang Mai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Samuel Smith said: I got one at same intersection, a couple of days ago! Guess have to try & stop on orange in future. To be fair i thought you was behind me ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Berkshire said: Yes there was. And I would say the same thing I did then, that is, I go through yellow lights all the time. In heavy traffic, there is almost always another vehicle following me through. Which means I probably would have been rear-ended if I stopped. What city is the OP in? Just hope they're not cracking down in Chiang Mai. Was in CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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