windows xp upgrade to whats best?

[Stocky]

4 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

This is all really interesting glad i started the thread

PS whats Linux? i got lost pages ago ,at the moment still using my wifes windows 7 for banking .????

A free operating system.

 

https://linuxmint.com/

[Tayaout]

https://distrowatch.com/

[bert bloggs]

3 minutes ago, Stocky said:

A free operating system.

 

https://linuxmint.com/

thanks ,never seen that before .dont know if i would use it though .

[Tayaout]

2 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

thanks ,never seen that before .dont know if i would use it though .

You can boot it from a usb key to have an idea how it looks and feel. 

[Isaanbiker]

3 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

thanks ,never seen that before .dont know if i would use it though .

If you can buy a W 10 Pro activation key for only 100 baht from ebay, what's the point of running Linux?

 

   

[JamJar]

5 hours ago, Tayaout said:

I see you are often sad. I don't exaggerate at all. Once you spent 14 min installing win10 you still have a lot of work to do to make the OS updated, safe and usable. Depending on internet speed it's more like 2-3h. 

 

Sorry, but your story is just nonsense. Fiction. 

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎9‎/‎1‎/‎2019 at 11:07 PM, brokenbone said:

win xp was the best, keep it for as long as the computer works. i use win 10 now and due to endless programs and animations i experience micro lags that was unheard of on xp, even with just half the hardware

Agree. !0 sucks hugely, but my old computer died and can't get anything else.

I'm still running 7 on one, and that is way better than 10. The idiots that designed 10 are demented, IMO.

At least I avoided that monumental <deleted> 8.

 

My XP came with photoshop elements which was great, then the <deleted><deleted> stopped including it. 10 has something that does basic photo editing but it's not very good.

 

Need I add that I hate MS and all that sail in it. 

[JamJar]

21 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

thanks ,never seen that before .dont know if i would use it though .

 

As I told you earlier, some have their own agenda. 

Now stooping so low as to suggesting that it takes hours to install Windows 10, when in fact it takes minutes.

Knowing that with any form of Linux, you will have to mess around simply to sign into your bank account.

 

When you have a problem with any form of Linux, you will often have to solve it by typing certain commands. Where will they be then? You won't find them for dust.

 

Just the other day I left some Linux experts to it when some of them suggested someone try Linux on an old device. He ended up having problems with the installation due to having Broadcom cards installed within. Days later he just gave up, as he was bewildered by having to go to the Terminal and having to type Sudo this or su that and it still didn't work.

He instead tried Windows 10 and was up and running within minutes.

 

Windows 10 isn't like the Windows of old, wherein you often had to look for Drivers separately or that it was expensive to purchase.

 

You can can a look at the Linux board here; https://forum.thaivisa.com/forum/67-linux-in-thailand/

 

Once you have woken up from the stupor into which it sends you.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JamJar]

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agree. !0 sucks hugely, but my old computer died and can't get anything else.

I'm still running 7 on one, and that is way better than 10. The idiots that designed 10 are demented, IMO.

At least I avoided that monumental <deleted> 8.

 

My XP came with photoshop elements which was great, then the <deleted><deleted> stopped including it. 10 has something that does basic photo editing but it's not very good.

 

Need I add that I hate MS and all that sail in it. 

 

I don't have any problems with it all. It's actually easier to deal with Windows 10 than Windows 7 or XP.

I know, because I have probably assisted with more installs than anyone else here.

 

With Windows 10 you can do a reset without disturbing your programs, With Windows XP/7, it was possible, but then you would need to have the installation media and to have a mini-guide to run a 'repair' installation.

Drivers? A whole ecosystem of dodgy Driver installation software sprang up around this simply because people often tired of searching for and installing Drivers for themselves

As usual, certain people complain about what has changed without mentioning the improvements.

 

 

[Tayaout]

What users often forget about drivers is that the manufacturer offer all of them on their website. If you search on google then you get the dodgy downloads. 

 

BTW, I don't have and agenda. I only suggested Linux. It's always my first reflex but then if the users really need Windows then I install it for them. 

Edited September 5, 2019 by Tayaout

[wgdanson]

9 hours ago, JamJar said:

 

Yes, we do. 

 

https://www.softwareok.com/?seite=faq-Windows-10&faq=36

 

 

 

Always sad when people exaggerate to make their arguments look better.

Did a clean W10 install on an old, non-working laptop with an HHD yesterday from a USB stick. Less than 30 minutes from dead to up-and-running. Got one of the best anti-virus apps included. All drivers for printer, webcam and soundcards work no problem.

I have tried Linux Mint several times and cannot get to grips with it. Each to their own.

[Stocky]

3 hours ago, JamJar said:

 

As I told you earlier, some have their own agenda. 

Now stooping so low as to suggesting that it takes hours to install Windows 10, when in fact it takes minutes.

Knowing that with any form of Linux, you will have to mess around simply to sign into your bank account.

 

When you have a problem with any form of Linux, you will often have to solve it by typing certain commands. Where will they be then? You won't find them for dust.

 

Just the other day I left some Linux experts to it when some of them suggested someone try Linux on an old device. He ended up having problems with the installation due to having Broadcom cards installed within. Days later he just gave up, as he was bewildered by having to go to the Terminal and having to type Sudo this or su that and it still didn't work.

He instead tried Windows 10 and was up and running within minutes.

 

Windows 10 isn't like the Windows of old, wherein you often had to look for Drivers separately or that it was expensive to purchase.

 

You can can a look at the Linux board here; https://forum.thaivisa.com/forum/67-linux-in-thailand/

 

Once you have woken up from the stupor into which it sends you.....

 

Sorry but I don't have any kind of 'agenda' I use both Windows & Linux. 

 

But I find for general stuff Linux Mint (I've no experience with any other versions) works fine. My wife & children, and now granddaughter are perfectly happy with accessing the Internet, watching movies and listening to music on their Linux desktop. Even though the school was insisting they needed Windows and MS Office, they were perfectly able to complete homework and projects using Libre Office.

 

Your comments on Linux and the need for the terminal window and sudo (admin rights) is just scare mongering, much as claims Windows 10 takes days to install. It's very seldom I need to use a terminal window and for the family they never do.

 

Linux is an option, just as Windows 10 is, the OP was looking for suggestions, he now has them.

Edited September 5, 2019 by Stocky

[khunken]

I don't run Linux so I'm not going to get into that argument.

 

But if one has a 10+ year old pc running Win XP, as I have, there is no way I would exchange a HD for a SSD, add some RAM and instal Win 10. Why?

Because after 10 years the PC has outlived its normal working life and is quite likely to have failures with various components. If the Motherboard or power pack go, its an expense to replace them with no telling how long something else goes.

I'd advise Bert Bloggs to let his Win xp PC die when it has a major failure & continue to use his wife's Win 7 machine for his banking and take some time to see what PCs or Notebooks or Tablets are on sale and earmark one for his future old PC replacement. Yes, despite my dislike of Win 10, the replacement would be best with a (legal) Win 10 pre-installed.

[JamJar]

5 hours ago, khunken said:

I don't run Linux so I'm not going to get into that argument.

 

But if one has a 10+ year old pc running Win XP, as I have, there is no way I would exchange a HD for a SSD, add some RAM and instal Win 10. Why?

Because after 10 years the PC has outlived its normal working life and is quite likely to have failures with various components. If the Motherboard or power pack go, its an expense to replace them with no telling how long something else goes.

I'd advise Bert Bloggs to let his Win xp PC die when it has a major failure & continue to use his wife's Win 7 machine for his banking and take some time to see what PCs or Notebooks or Tablets are on sale and earmark one for his future old PC replacement. Yes, despite my dislike of Win 10, the replacement would be best with a (legal) Win 10 pre-installed.

 

Sorry, but just more conjecture and fiction. Why?

 

First of all, you have just made up the parameters of "useful life". Completely fabricated them. 

All of my devices are ten years old and more. All have SSD fitted and all are useful.

 

Secondly, let's say after another year or two after purchasing an SSD, the whole PC falls apart......the SSD can be moved to any new PC. So no loss at all in purchasing an SSD, only positive benefits.

 

Thirdly, he does not have a Windows XP PC. His PC was built around the time that Windows 7 was released and therefore will be capable of running that in it's current state. So, in fact, he could install Windows 10 Pro right now, for a cost of perhaps 100 baht. 

 

But it makes a lot more sense to install Windows 10 cleanly to an SSD. One for the much improved performance and two, that it leaves everything on the original hard drive untouched. In effect, all his old data retained on that drive.

 

As I stated earlier, lots of comments by people who have not even bothered to look at the hardware involved.

 

 

[JamJar]

6 hours ago, Stocky said:

 

Sorry but I don't have any kind of 'agenda' I use both Windows & Linux. 

 

But I find for general stuff Linux Mint (I've no experience with any other versions) works fine. My wife & children, and now granddaughter are perfectly happy with accessing the Internet, watching movies and listening to music on their Linux desktop. Even though the school was insisting they needed Windows and MS Office, they were perfectly able to complete homework and projects using Libre Office.

 

Your comments on Linux and the need for the terminal window and sudo (admin rights) is just scare mongering, much as claims Windows 10 takes days to install. It's very seldom I need to use a terminal window and for the family they never do.

 

Linux is an option, just as Windows 10 is, the OP was looking for suggestions, he now has them.

 

He already stated that he won't be using Linux. Perhaps you missed that in all of your excitement.

 

No scaremongering on my part. I related a very recent experience of a novice in trying to install Linux Mint, Ubuntu and MX Linux to an old laptop. He gave up after days and just installed Windows 10, which worked straight away. 

I've used Linux and have also supported others in using Linux. So I know, that a novice would prefer to have a mainstream OS installed.

I can assure you that the only reason that your family is using Linux, id because you have installed it and are supporting the devices.

They would be equally happy if Windows 10 were installed to their devices.

[JamJar]

7 hours ago, Tayaout said:

What users often forget about drivers is that the manufacturer offer all of them on their website. If you search on google then you get the dodgy downloads. 

 

BTW, I don't have and agenda. I only suggested Linux. It's always my first reflex but then if the users really need Windows then I install it for them. 

 

What you might have forgotten is that some manufacturers did not release Drivers for some operating systems.

So you would have to utilise Hardware IDs to find a suitable Driver....which is what many of the so called Driver updaters, such as the likes of Driver Booster, claimed to do...before they messed up your device.

 

Windows 10 is a lot better at installing Drivers than previous operating systems.

[khunken]

20 minutes ago, JamJar said:

 

Sorry, but just more conjecture and fiction. Why?

 

First of all, you have just made up the parameters of "useful life". Completely fabricated them. 

All of my devices are ten years old and more. All have SSD fitted and all are useful.

 

Secondly, let's say after another year or two after purchasing an SSD, the whole PC falls apart......the SSD can be moved to any new PC. So no loss at all in purchasing an SSD, only positive benefits.

 

Thirdly, he does not have a Windows XP PC. His PC was built around the time that Windows 7 was released and therefore will be capable of running that in it's current state. So, in fact, he could install Windows 10 Pro right now, for a cost of perhaps 100 baht. 

 

But it makes a lot more sense to install Windows 10 cleanly to an SSD. One for the much improved performance and two, that it leaves everything on the original hard drive untouched. In effect, all his old data retained on that drive.

 

As I stated earlier, lots of comments by people who have not even bothered to look at the hardware involved.

 

 

The conjecture and fiction is all from you. Added to that is your one-track agenda of not even considering any alternatives to your one-trick-pony.

 

I have had numerous PC, most of which have died - not worth fixing - after 2-3 years, so a 10 year old PC certainly is way past its normal working life.

 

Your arrogant comments towards many other posters advocating Linux is contemptous as, though I don't use it, it is definitely an option and they are only proposing an alternative, unlike you.

 

In addition, suggesting to someone who has never looked inside a PC cover that they would find installing RAM and a SSD easy, is not very clever - to put it mildly. In other words you are leading Bert Bloggs astray.

 

[Isaanbiker]

6 minutes ago, khunken said:

The conjecture and fiction is all from you. Added to that is your one-track agenda of not even considering any alternatives to your one-trick-pony.

 

I have had numerous PC, most of which have died - not worth fixing - after 2-3 years, so a 10 year old PC certainly is way past its normal working life.

 

Your arrogant comments towards many other posters advocating Linux is contemptous as, though I don't use it, it is definitely an option and they are only proposing an alternative, unlike you.

 

In addition, suggesting to someone who has never looked inside a PC cover that they would find installing RAM and a SSD easy, is not very clever - to put it mildly. In other words you are leading Bert Bloggs astray.

 

I beg your pardon. You badmouth one of the most knowledgeable guys on this forum with statements that do not make any sense.

 

You had numerous PC's that died after 2 to 3 years? Then there's something wrong with you. 

 

My DELL notebook is ten, my main PC is six and my PC connected to the TV is also almost ten years old, all running fast and well on @W 10 Pro. 

 

Things are only as good as the people who are messing around with them. 

 

You do not seem to have the knowledge if something is worth fixing, nor did you understand the guy's posts in particular. 

  

Edited September 5, 2019 by Isaanbiker

[JamJar]

7 minutes ago, khunken said:

The conjecture and fiction is all from you. Added to that is your one-track agenda of not even considering any alternatives to your one-trick-pony.

 

I have had numerous PC, most of which have died - not worth fixing - after 2-3 years, so a 10 year old PC certainly is way past its normal working life.

 

Your arrogant comments towards many other posters advocating Linux is contemptous as, though I don't use it, it is definitely an option and they are only proposing an alternative, unlike you.

 

In addition, suggesting to someone who has never looked inside a PC cover that they would find installing RAM and a SSD easy, is not very clever - to put it mildly. In other words you are leading Bert Bloggs astray.

 

 

Two to three years and defunct??!! That tells more about your poor choices than to your expertise.

 

You might have had numerous PC, but I have helped thousands of people with the installation of OS, firmware and hardware, including RAM and SSD.

 

There is no doubt in my mind that bert bloggs can tackle the single screw needed to remove the side panel. There is also no doubt that he can slot any RAM into place within one minute and equally can unplug the leads from the back of the HDD and to plug the same leads on to the new SSD.

 

 

To suggest that he cannot is to insult the man. 

I contend that he can do it. It's only the fear of doing something wrong that deters people. So they need a little reassurance.

People like yourself are not helpful, in any way.

[khunken]

4 minutes ago, JamJar said:

 

Two to three years and defunct??!! That tells more about your poor choices than to your expertise.

 

You might have had numerous PC, but I have helped thousands of people with the installation of OS, firmware and hardware, including RAM and SSD.

 

There is no doubt in my mind that bert bloggs can tackle the single screw needed to remove the side panel. There is also no doubt that he can slot any RAM into place within one minute and equally can unplug the leads from the back of the HDD and to plug the same leads on to the new SSD.

 

 

To suggest that he cannot is to insult the man. 

I contend that he can do it. It's only the fear of doing something wrong that deters people. So they need a little reassurance.

People like yourself are not helpful, in any way.

Some PC last and some don't. As well as old PCs dying I have a PC and a notebook of about 12 & 15 years vintage still working so your shoot the messenger attempt is typically arrogant & wrong.

 

No I didn't say he couldn't do it (comprehension a problem?) only that he wouldn't find it easy. Anyone could do what you suggest but it is not a good suggestion nor an easy one for a beginner.

 

It is you who is most unhelpful by continually posting the same thing over & over again, while criticising every other poster who has an alternative suggestion.

 

This thread has gone on long enough for me, so take it away and just post another duplicate of your previous 20 or so posts.

[Isaanbiker]

17 minutes ago, JamJar said:

 

Two to three years and defunct??!! That tells more about your poor choices than to your expertise.

 

You might have had numerous PC, but I have helped thousands of people with the installation of OS, firmware and hardware, including RAM and SSD.

 

There is no doubt in my mind that bert bloggs can tackle the single screw needed to remove the side panel. There is also no doubt that he can slot any RAM into place within one minute and equally can unplug the leads from the back of the HDD and to plug the same leads on to the new SSD.

 

 

To suggest that he cannot is to insult the man. 

I contend that he can do it. It's only the fear of doing something wrong that deters people. So they need a little reassurance.

People like yourself are not helpful, in any way.

I know that I'm pretty good at soft and hardware solutions, no matter if it's W XP, W 7,  W 8(.1) or W 10.

 

But I have to admit that you taught me quite a few things i didn't know. So when I read this open offense towards you, it make me smile.

 

   The guy already wrote that a PC lasts only two years, which doesn't make any sense. Who can afford it to buy a new PC every two years? 

 

   Just don't worry about the guy's strange post, he just doesn't know what you and perhaps I know.

 

   I've got my knowledge by "learning by doing" in 17 years here, realising that you can't trust the so called technicians here.

 

  Most of them can't read English well enough to understand all.

 

  You're one of the best guys here, you've walked countless people thru a difficult process and they could follow your instructions and their machines worked well after your instructions.

 

  You've spent your free time to help others, not even knowing them and that means a lot to me. Just don't listen to the guy who knows all about nothing. 

 

 

[Scott]

Abusive, inflammatory posts removed.   Please stay on topic.  

 

[JaiMaai]

10 hours ago, khunken said:

The conjecture and fiction is all from you. Added to that is your one-track agenda of not even considering any alternatives to your one-trick-pony.

 

I have had numerous PC, most of which have died - not worth fixing - after 2-3 years, so a 10 year old PC certainly is way past its normal working life.

 

Your arrogant comments towards many other posters advocating Linux is contemptous as, though I don't use it, it is definitely an option and they are only proposing an alternative, unlike you.

 

In addition, suggesting to someone who has never looked inside a PC cover that they would find installing RAM and a SSD easy, is not very clever - to put it mildly. In other words you are leading Bert Bloggs astray.

 

"installing RAM and a SSD" are perhaps two the most basic upgrades/repairs it's possible to do.  These are exactly the kind of things a beginner should be doing to start learning about maintaining their own machines.

[Stocky]

13 hours ago, JamJar said:

He already stated that he won't be using Linux. Perhaps you missed that in all of your excitement.

Actually he said

 

On 9/5/2019 at 9:34 AM, bert bloggs said:

thanks ,never seen that before .dont know if i would use it though

Last I read he was going to use the wife's PC for a while, clearly still considering his options. The only person overly excitable here is yourself. It's a forum, not JamJar's bulletin board, just relax, people have different views and opinions, you need to accept that not everyone will agree with you, no need for snide comments.

[JamJar]

5 hours ago, Stocky said:

Actually he said

 

Last I read he was going to use the wife's PC for a while, clearly still considering his options. The only person overly excitable here is yourself. It's a forum, not JamJar's bulletin board, just relax, people have different views and opinions, you need to accept that not everyone will agree with you, no need for snide comments.

 

Sorry, but forget about your crazy ideas of the OP installing Linux and utilising User Agent switching applications in order to fool his bank into thinking that he isn't using Linux.

It's just nonsensical. For 100 baht he can have genuine Windows 10 Pro, compatible with all.

You can have your 'different' view.

I on the other hand, represent the point of view of a relative novice who wants the best solution going forward.

My solution brings the PC up to date and will have the least issues going forward.

The Linux forum here is is hanging on by a thread. Ask a question on Windows and you will have many more people at hand to help.

The OP doesn't want to install some obscure operating system, only to have no support when he cannot figure something out about it.

Doesn't want to be put in an awkward situation with his bank, if it comes out in the end that he was fooling them by using Linux instead of what they recommend. It's all just totally unnecessary.

Why you keep banging on about it, no one knows.

[Stocky]

10 minutes ago, JamJar said:

It's just nonsensical.

Well it clearly isn't because it works. I'm not exactly sure why all this winds you up so tight, just relax. There's more to life than plugging SSD drives and Windows 10, get out more and unwind.

[JamJar]

11 minutes ago, Stocky said:

Well it clearly isn't because it works. I'm not exactly sure why all this winds you up so tight, just relax. There's more to life than plugging SSD drives and Windows 10, get out more and unwind.

 

windows xp upgrade to whats best?

 

Windows 10 on an SSD is the answer. Future proofs the device.

 

Linux is just for people who refuse to utilise Windows for one reason or another. That's not the OP, since he actively used both XP and Windows 7.

 

Wrapping your feet in sheep's wool will work as a shoe to a certain extent...but then you'll soon notice the flaws in that plan.

Better to start with decent footwear in the first place.

We have a Linux board, why don't you post your far-fetched ideas there?

 

[Stocky]

28 minutes ago, JamJar said:

Linux is just for people who refuse to utilise Windows for one reason or another.

Well that is plainly laughable.

 

30 minutes ago, JamJar said:

We have a Linux board, why don't you post your far-fetched ideas there?

Now you're rambling.

[JamJar]

34 minutes ago, Stocky said:

Well that is plainly laughable.

 

Now you're rambling.

 

I think I have made my points quite clear, including my assertion that the only reason your family is utilising any form of Linux, is because you installed it to their devices and you are supporting them.

It's also clear that you cannot rebut anything that I have written.

The fact that you and the other Linux advocates on this thread have to stoop so low as to try to resort to personal insults, speaks to the weakness of your arguments.

That is the whole point. bert bloggs does not have the knowledge to know which questions to ask, so it's up to us to debate it and for him to read and digest the replies.

Windows 10 clean installed cleanly to a new SSD is the way forward for the OP.

No need for a new PC. No need for any weird alternative OS. Where exactly do you suggest he install Linux? On the old drive....or on to a new SSD?

 

It is clear to all, that yours and the other Linux devotees posts are based on personal enmity. That just confirms that your arguments are weak, so you try to resort to insults and giving each other emotional support.

I don't care about that. My concern is that the OP gets the best advice and not misled by some wild and wacky partially thought through ideas.