U.S. diplomat testifies Trump tied Ukraine aid to politically motivated investigations

[Opl]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Hate to disappoint you, JHolmesJr, but there won't be any proof of a quid pro quo forthcoming.  It's impossible as it doesn't exist.

" Trump admitted that there was a quid pro quo but is claiming that it wasn’t a quid pro quo because the Ukrainians didn’t know about it." 

LOL 

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/10/23/trump-admits-quid-pro-quo.html

 

Donald J. Trump

 

✔ @realDonaldTrump

 

 

Neither he (Taylor) or any other witness has provided testimony that the Ukrainians were aware that military aid was being withheld. You can’t have a quid pro quo with no quo.” Congressman John Ratcliffe @foxandfriends Where is the Whistleblower? The Do Nothing Dems case is DEAD!

 

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[SOTIRIOS]

...another lying rat...

 

...another twisted rendition of reality....

 

...brought to you by yours truly....owned and controlled media...

 

....scurrying desperately....to avoid being charged with treason and crimes against humanity....

 

....that is the truth.....

 

 

[JHolmesJr]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Moscow Mitch is exposing Trump to a sensor vote in the Senate regarding Trump’s Syria treachery.

 

The game’s up.

 

Third rate political analysis...Mitch knows Trump can destroy him with one tweet.

[bristolboy]

3 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

To answer your question I want incontrovertible proof. Get me the Don on video, get me a voice recording...

and for god's sake, get me a crime that the Dems themselves have not committed while in power and while out to get him. Quid pro quos with Ukraine....they've done it....colluding with foreign elements to spy on Trump and fabricate

dirt...they've done it. Yet suddenly they're guardians of the constitution...gimme a break. 

 

????????????

 

If your notion of what constitutes adequate evidence was, in fact, the standard, that would be every felon's wet dream come true.

[bristolboy]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Hate to disappoint you, JHolmesJr, but there won't be any proof of a quid pro quo forthcoming.  It's impossible as it doesn't exist.

Contradicting Trump, Ukraine Knew of Aid Freeze Before It Became Public

 

"But in fact, word of the aid freeze had gotten to high-level Ukrainian officials by the first week in August, according to interviews and documents obtained by The New York Times.

The problem was not a bureaucratic glitch, the Ukrainians were told then. To address it, they were advised, they should reach out to Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, according to the interviews and records."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/23/us/politics/ukraine-aid-freeze-impeachment.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

[JHolmesJr]

19 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Contradicting Trump, Ukraine Knew of Aid Freeze Before It Became Public

 

Makes me wonder why Zelensky said in front of the whole world then, that there was NO PRESSURE.

 

[mickey rat]

The Democrats are far superior. They make me proud. ????

[bristolboy]

18 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Makes me wonder why Zelensky said in front of the whole world then, that there was NO PRESSURE.

 

Gee, that's a real tough one to figure out. Do ya think, just possibly, there is a the slightest chance that Zelensky may not have wanted to anger Trump? Which is a ridiculous fear because we all know how meekly and patiently Trump submits to  contradiction.

[Waterloo]

19 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Makes me wonder why Zelensky said in front of the whole world then, that there was NO PRESSURE.

 

Well that is obvious Trump is still nominally in charge and he does not want to be seen publicly taking sides against him when Ukraine is in such a vulnerable position

[JHolmesJr]

13 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Gee, that's a real tough one to figure out. Do ya think, just possibly, there is a the slightest chance that Zelensky may not have wanted to anger Trump? Which is a ridiculous fear because we all know how meekly and patiently Trump submits to  contradiction.

He has the power to get rid of the man once and for all, and guaranteed protection

from any reprisals, and he still passes that up? LOL

[mtls2005]

Hopefully the State Department/Treasury/WH will provide all the subpoenaed documents, which might clearly prove that there was no bribery/extortion/abuse of power? No clue why witholding this information does anything other than make everyone involved look "guilty"?

 

This could have all been avoided had barr/doj had accepted the criminal referral from CIA, recused, and appointed a special counsel. But no, he declined. Hmmm, maybe barr's actually smarter than we think?

 

 

Ambassador Sondland appears to have been less than forthcoming during his initial testiomony...better to take the fifth than lie.

 

 

 

William Taylor's opening statement...

 

 

 

By mid-July it was becoming clear to me that the meeting President Zelenskyy
wanted was conditioned on the investigations of Burisma and alleged Ukrainian
interference in the 2016 U .S . elections. It was also clear that this condition was
driven by the irregular policy channel I had come to understand was guided by Mr.
Giuliani

 

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2019/10/Taylor-openingstatement.pdf

 

 

An interesting contrast betwen two men born one year apart: William Taylor and the president. Also interesting that no one is attacking Mr. Taylor, nor his statement.

 

mulvaney said "they do this all the time". Do tell.

 

Nunes protégé fed Ukraine info to Trump

 

A protégé of Republican Rep. Devin Nunes was among those passing negative information about Ukraine to President Donald Trump earlier this year, fueling the president’s belief that Ukraine was brimming with corruption and interfered in the 2016 election on behalf of Democrats.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/23/nunes-protege-ukraine-trump-055837

 

 

 

 

Edited October 24, 2019 by mtls2005

[heybruce]

12 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Hate to disappoint you, JHolmesJr, but there won't be any proof of a quid pro quo forthcoming.  It's impossible as it doesn't exist.

Perhaps you don't know what a quid pro quo is.  Here's an example:

 

" Top US diplomat in Ukraine Bill Taylor said Gordon Sondland told him President Trump wanted Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to publicly state he would investigate Burisma and the 2016 election in order to provide the Ukrainians with a meeting and security assistance, according to a copy of Taylor’s opening statement obtained by CNN."

 

' "In fact, Ambassador Sondland said ‘everything’ was dependent on such an announcement, including security assistance,” Taylor testified. '   https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-10-22-2019/h_791a7b6c2625f83ae6dc0659028a8a52

[heybruce]

Trump abusing power in an attempt to discredit a political opponent is bad enough, but I find more disturbing was his attempt to promote a conspiracy theory that is complete nonsense:

 

"Setting aside the fact that there is no missing server, the conspiracy has roots in some fringe beliefs that Ukraine coordinated the DNC hack to frame the Russians. That conspiracy grew on internet sites like Reddit and 4chan, and has slowly trickled into the mainstream over the past few years. It’s been amplified by conservative and Russian media outlets, social media and even the criminal trial of Roger Stone, a former Trump adviser."

 

"The theory itself is bunk."  https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/sep/27/trump-mentioned-crowdstrike-conspiracy-during-his-/

 

Trump is determined to ignore the conclusion of his intelligence agencies, the Mueller Report, and both House and Senate investigations that Russia hacked the DNC server as part of its election interference.  His determination to obscure Russia's guilt in election interference is very suspicious.

[Tippaporn]

10 hours ago, Opl said:

" Trump admitted that there was a quid pro quo but is claiming that it wasn’t a quid pro quo because the Ukrainians didn’t know about it." 

LOL 

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/10/23/trump-admits-quid-pro-quo.html

 

Donald J. Trump

 

✔ @realDonaldTrump

 

 

Neither he (Taylor) or any other witness has provided testimony that the Ukrainians were aware that military aid was being withheld. You can’t have a quid pro quo with no quo.” Congressman John Ratcliffe @foxandfriends Where is the Whistleblower? The Do Nothing Dems case is DEAD!

 

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Where is Trump admitting there was a quid pro quo?  There's never been an admission by Trump of a quid pro quo.  Others may be claiming it but it's flat out false to state, "Trump admitted that there was a quid pro quo . . . "  Fake news twisting facts to make it sound as if Trump admitted to something he never admitted to.  And this passes the smell test of real journalism?  LOL

[Opl]

10 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Makes me wonder why Zelensky said in front of the whole world then, that there was NO PRESSURE.

 

Same Trump saying, standing with Putin on stage in front of the whole world, that it was NOT RUSSIA

Edited October 24, 2019 by Opl

[mtls2005]

4 minutes ago, Opl said:

Same Trump saying, standing with Putin on stage in front of the whole world, that it was NOT RUSSIA

 

très astucieux  as Pierre Delecto might say.

 

Of course the president walked back that bit of honesty in Helsinki, so doubly apropos.

 

 

 

[bristolboy]

9 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

He has the power to get rid of the man once and for all, and guaranteed protection

from any reprisals, and he still passes that up? LOL

Because it's a sure thing that his testimony would guarantee that the Senate will convict him? Because Republican Senators have nothing to fear from die-hard Trump supporters (i.e. most Republicans)?

[heybruce]

10 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Makes me wonder why Zelensky said in front of the whole world then, that there was NO PRESSURE.

 

Because Ukraine is fighting Russia, and doesn't stand a chance unless it has US support.  Zelensky knows Trump will take revenge on Ukraine if he offends the man-child in any way.

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Because Ukraine is fighting Russia, and doesn't stand a chance unless it has US support.  Zelensky knows Trump will take revenge on Ukraine if he offends the man-child in any way.

No proof of that at all.  Unless you have it . . . ?

[metisdead]

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[johnnybangkok]

28 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

No proof of that at all.  Unless you have it . . . ?

No proof of what? That the Ukraine is fighting Russia? (of course it is). That the US backs Ukraine in it's fight against Russia? (that's not even a secret and was the reason for the $400m that started all of this). Or that Trump will take his revenge on the Ukraine if he doesn't get his way? Well that's what we are proving right now with the quid pro quo argument but I think it's a fair to say that if I was Zelensky I would absolutely deny there was any quid pro quo as how would verifying that help his cause at all?

Trump has a Presidency to lose; ZelensKy has a country. 

[Saint Nick]

21 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

I think the acting ambassador will need to understand that acting alone does not 

constitute evidence....his allegations are only his perspective until he provides 

proof....a text message/memo/email/recording that corroborates his assertion.

Oh, you are absolutely  right!

Except, if all the allegations add up and also exactly mirror, what Trump and his henchmen already confessed doing!

 

[Saint Nick]

15 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

I can see you're frustrated that not everyone buys into the slim, shaky and downright misleading narrative that the Dems have concocted...to prevent themselves from being completely humiliated and stripped of House powers in

2020. 

 

To answer your question I want incontrovertible proof. Get me the Don on video, get me a voice recording...

and for god's sake, get me a crime that the Dems themselves have not committed while in power and while out to get him. Quid pro quos with Ukraine....they've done it....colluding with foreign elements to spy on Trump and fabricate

dirt...they've done it. Yet suddenly they're guardians of the constitution...gimme a break. 

 

????????????

 

Yes...they may have done it!

But none of them was stupid or brazen enough, to do it in a public kind of way, like your hero!

And if you don't catch a thief, you can not hang him!

And by the way: off topic, because this is not about your favorite conspiracy theories, about who may or may not have done stuff, but about the crimes of the sitting president!

[Tropposurfer]

They’re all dirty as hell.

complicit for campaign funds. Selling partisanship to those who support finance their individual, and party campaigns.

Lying and saying it’s right and decent behaviour has become the norm. Lining ones own pockets at the cost of moral integrity all the while speaking and spouting how they champion such ideals.

 

 

[bristolboy]

Just now, Tropposurfer said:

They’re all dirty as hell.

complicit for campaign funds. Selling partisanship to those who support finance their individual, and party campaigns.

Lying and saying it’s right and decent behaviour has become the norm. Lining ones own pockets at the cost of moral integrity all the while speaking and spouting how they champion such ideals.

 

 

Thank you for the all-purpose political comment. Got anything to say about "U.S. diplomat testifies Trump tied Ukraine aid to politically motivated investigations"

[JHolmesJr]

Anyone up for a wager that Ambassador Taylor is the "whisteblower"

Seems to match with the description of someone who never was

on the call.

[joecoolfrog]

6 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Where is Trump admitting there was a quid pro quo?  There's never been an admission by Trump of a quid pro quo.  Others may be claiming it but it's flat out false to state, "Trump admitted that there was a quid pro quo . . . "  Fake news twisting facts to make it sound as if Trump admitted to something he never admitted to.  And this passes the smell test of real journalism?  LOL

Your point is moot , Trump is a habitual liar , his word means absolutely nothing.

[joecoolfrog]

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

No proof of that at all.  Unless you have it . . . ?

How many examples of Trumps spite and petty revenge would you like ?

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Probably doesn't matter to you as you have already tried and convicted (in a basement). ????

Perhaps you could tell us why the identity of the WB is now relevant.

[JHolmesJr]

38 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

Your point is moot , Trump is a habitual liar , his word means absolutely nothing.

And Adam Schiff is the universal symbol for truth....LOL