Gulf War veteran, 55, was killed by a single punch from a bouncer in Thailand who claimed he tried to leave go-go bar without paying his bill

[Sticky Wicket]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

What legally recorded fact Charlie ? We got a video where a foreigner is shown to attack first and goes down after the counter from the Thai (just one blow). That is not excessive force and the Thai did not start the fight. (did not start with the first punch) How can you call that murder ? 

 

It was self defence according to the Thai court (also a legally recorded fact). I just don't see murder here. I maybe see self defence but that depends a bit on what went before. What is see is a short not overly violent altercation with a foreigner throwing a punch first and getting one punch back that lands badly. No murder (at all)

He doesn't attack first, he's on the back foot trying to get away. He flings his hands but it's nowhere near the guy. There are THREE after him, your constant apologist for all things Thai including the fascist government is truly sickening .

TBF this sort of defence doesn't surprise me, there were people on here defending the Thais beating two old people in Hua Hin a few years ago too.

[Catoni]

12 hours ago, looking for LIFE insurance said:

So true.  So typical of these cowardly runts.

That's why I have a baseball bat in my car.

 

Walther PPK .380....more effective in an emergency.  Just keep it, and a filled spare mag concealed. 

[yogi100]

4 hours ago, Fex Bluse said:

Here is the problem.

 

Everyone here, including me, is speculating from the reports in Western media.

 

However, what tends to happen in Thailand is that the the Thai authorities feed entirely untrue information to the media.

 

This is very likely the case here as we KNOW the Thais are heavily invested in protecting their flailing tourism industry.

 

So, just because the report is from the widow of the deceased does not mean the information is reliable.

 

Where is the video????!!!!!????

 

In the Daily Mail article. It's rather disturbing. Perhaps it's been blocked where you are and possibly censored in the Land of Smiles.

 

You see the victim knocked to the ground in the street having been followed by his assailant. It's well away from the Mandarin's entrance.

 

He receives one blow to the head, what with we can't see but it was a strange kind of 'punch'. It incapacitates him and he immediately goes down. And there he stays, apparently unconscious.

 

I'm surprised the locals didn't start using his head as a football. Perhaps they knew enough of a liberty had already been taken with him by his attacker.

[BestB]

17 minutes ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

 

Wow, you're clearly in need of an eye test mate.

 

Look at the video again CLOSELY this time, and you will see initially 2 younger men attacking the 1 older one - both swinging - a 3rd one enters from off camera ready to assist SHOULD the older fella have kept fighting back, seeing him pole-axed on the floor and unable to fight back they leave it alone. What part of that scenario seems equitable to you? ????

Where do you see both swinging ? Again stop imagining who or what 3rd was or was not going to do. 
 

 

[robblok]

1 minute ago, Sticky Wicket said:

He doesn't attack first, he's on the back foot trying to get away. He flings his hands but it's nowhere near the guy. There are THREE after him, your constant apologist for all things Thai including the fascist government is truly sickening .

TBF this sort of defence doesn't surprise me, there were people on here defending the Thais beating two old people in Hua Hin a few years ago too.

I see it as a punch and that he did not connect does not matter that is what initiated it, after that miss he gets 1 blow back and that is it.. they both fall over. Sorry I see no murder here. I see (maybe) self defense (if he really went out without paying then sure). I see a fight gone wrong were both parties are to blame. 

[Sticky Wicket]

One thing to add is why were they chasing and beating him?

An unpaid bill?

Well they never got that money anyway so the point was always just to beat him senseless.

They never tried to get the money back

[BestB]

Just now, yogi100 said:

In the Daily Mail article. It's rather disturbing. Perhaps it's been blocked where you are and possibly censored in the Land of Smiles.

 

You see the victim knocked to the ground in the street having been followed by his assailant. It's well away from the Mandarin's entrance.

 

He receives one blow to the head, what with we can't see but it was a strange kind of 'punch'. It incapacitates him and he immediately goes down. And there he stays, apparently unconscious.

 

I'm surprised the locals didn't start using his head as a football. Perhaps they knew enough of a liberty had already been taken with him by his attacker.

Yes.  When one is blind drunk it does not take much to go down. Of course you can argue he was not as according to OP he poped into walking street go go bar after work function , I wonder though what working functions are there in Pattaya , late evening in/around Walking street. 

[Sticky Wicket]

Just now, robblok said:

I see it as a punch and that he did not connect does not matter that is what initiated it, after that miss he gets 1 blow back and that is it.. they both fall over. Sorry I see no murder here. I see (maybe) self defense (if he really went out without paying then sure). I see a fight gone wrong were both parties are to blame. 

There was obviously footage before hand that the CCTV missed

It was a defensive 'punch' if anything to try and get away

[robblok]

Just now, Sticky Wicket said:

One thing to add is why were they chasing and beating him?

An unpaid bill?

Well they never got that money anyway so the point was always just to beat him senseless.

They never tried to get the money back

Oh you mean confronting someone and making him pay does not work. It does.. but not if the other party starts a swing. You don't know what is said you just imagine the worst possible reasons bit racist actually. But then again a lot guys here seem to think Thais are always wrong. 

[BestB]

1 minute ago, Sticky Wicket said:

One thing to add is why were they chasing and beating him?

An unpaid bill?

Well they never got that money anyway so the point was always just to beat him senseless.

They never tried to get the money back

Beating him? And chasing ? Nice vivid imagination 

[BestB]

1 minute ago, Sticky Wicket said:

There was obviously footage before hand that the CCTV missed

It was a defensive 'punch' if anything to try and get away

Indeed, I usually take a swing at someone when aim is to get away????

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

There was obviously footage before hand that the CCTV missed

It was a defensive 'punch' if anything to try and get away

It was a punch before all others flew.. so it was the first punch... how can that be defensive.. unless you think attack is the best defense. 

[Sticky Wicket]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

Oh you mean confronting someone and making him pay does not work. It does.. but not if the other party starts a swing. You don't know what is said you just imagine the worst possible reasons bit racist actually. But then again a lot guys here seem to think Thais are always wrong. 

Ah the old race card, bet you've been dying to play that.

 

Onto the ignore list

 

[BestB]

Just now, Sticky Wicket said:

I'm glad you find this amusing, absolutely shocking 

I am sure it is, after all with your imagination he was being beaten not punched once by 1 

[robblok]

Just now, BestB said:

Indeed, I usually take a swing at someone when aim is to get away????

Yes its a good way of de escalating things (yes i saw your sarcasm) and agree taking a swing is not getting away.. getting away is going in the opposite way maybe even running.

[NCC1701A]

"Welcome all tourist to Land of Smiles."

 

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

8 minutes ago, BestB said:

Where do you see both swinging ? Again stop imagining who or what 3rd was or was not going to do. 
 

 

Honestly mate, book that eye test ok, post-haste.

 

Both swang one missed and the other made a clumsy connection. 3rd came running up behind right after the inital affray - clearly to assist, doesn't take much of an immaginaton to see that was the aim.

[BestB]

1 minute ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Abhorrent , another onto the ignore list

Subhuman stuff

Oh no, that might kill me, please do not, pleaseeeeeee

[BestB]

Just now, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

Honestly mate, book that eye test ok, post-haste.

 

Both swang one missed and the other made a clumsy connection. 3rd came running up behind right after the inital affray - clearly to assist, doesn't take much of an immaginaton to see that was the aim.

Honestly , consider upgrading from budget to premium specs . There is no 2 swinging and you have ZERO clue who or what 3rd one was or his intentions 

[MAGA 2020]

Hopefully some vet buddies will pay bouncers a visit.

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

6 minutes ago, BestB said:

Honestly , consider upgrading from budget to premium specs . There is no 2 swinging and you have ZERO clue who or what 3rd one was or his intentions 

Your opinion only. Still, seeking to defend thuggery - great look. 

 

Stay classy mate. You belong in Pattaya.

[otaku00]

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

Watch the video again. The punch from the bouncer didn't even fully connect. Bouncer was over reaching which caused him to fall into the guy who fell backwards and hit his head on the ground with a real thud. Clearly the cause of his injury. If the guy hadn't argued about his bill and left without resolving the issue, or hadn't taken a swing at the bouncers, or hadn't been so drunk that he failed to break his fall, he would have been alive today.

It looks like u have never been knocked out. If so, u cannot control the fall even when u are young and never touched alcohol.

[yogi100]

2 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Happened about 10 years ago in my own home town in the UK.

Well I've never heard of a fifty odd year old man being attacked by bouncers and left knocked spark out in my home town.

 

And my home town is London which I bet is is a great deal bigger and more violent than your home town.

[Skallywag]

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

have had my bill padded twice in Thailand, first time in a gogo, allowed the bouncer, half my size to escort me to a nearby ATM and paid the bill. Second time, in a beer bar, I just paid up and walked, never to return.

How does this "padding" occur when each time you order a beer they put a slip of paper with the amount in a cup.  Look at the paper and see what the price is, if not as advertised, don't drink the beer, call over hostess or talk to bar manager. 

[BestB]

5 minutes ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

Your opinion only. Still, seeking to defend thuggery - great look. 

 

Stay classy mate.

Stay in denial, and do not let facts get  in a way of A nice fiction

[BestB]

8 minutes ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

The guy is a contrarian little ***** - leave him to his BS and justifying of thuggery / assault, he clearly has a hard on for these Thai bouncers. Probably speaks of his experiences in Thailand. ????

 

I would love to see his reaction if it were a member of his family in this video. 

Ohh I see, so it’s not actually what happened that matters but how it makes you feel if it was a family member ?????????

[otaku00]

And let me ask u one more thing: what did the other guests or witnesses do? U know u can make a citizen's arrest even in Thailand? A bunch of foreigners with the same mind could have handed over the trio to the police to make a statement. 

[CNXexpat]

15 minutes ago, snowgard said:

What a BS!!! Every week something like this happen on the reeperbahn!!!

https://www.google.com/search?q=reeperbahn+tuersteher+schlaegerei

If you would watch the videos and read the articles you would find out, that in most cases the bouncers were attacked.

[DannyCarlton]

23 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

He doesn't attack first, he's on the back foot trying to get away. He flings his hands but it's nowhere near the guy. There are THREE after him, your constant apologist for all things Thai including the fascist government is truly sickening .

TBF this sort of defence doesn't surprise me, there were people on here defending the Thais beating two old people in Hua Hin a few years ago too.

What video did you watch. The guy swung a haymaker at the bouncer. Didn't connect because he was drunk. If he had connected, he could have done serious damage to the Thai.

 

I don't remember anyone defending the Thai who kicked an old woman in the head, whilst she was on the floor. Apples and oranges.

[LomSak27]

Just now, Sticky Wicket said:

Just now, robblok said:

Oh you mean confronting someone and making him pay does not work. It does.. but not if the other party starts a swing. You don't know what is said you just imagine the worst possible reasons bit racist actually. But then again a lot guys here seem to think Thais are always wrong. 

Ah the old race card, bet you've been dying to play that.

He's a one trick pony. Best just ignore