still going on about brexi t fuelled by your personal circumstances?when you chose to emigrate you chose to live under another countries laws and customs,you lived there paid your taxes ( I assume )and now they want to deny you health care and want you to make arrangements to pay for it,just like thailand your problem is with the country you currently reside in not the uk who's got its own financial problems.

20 hours ago, tebee said:

The problem is the leave campaign made promises that we unobtainable and contradictory  - to say they will deliver these promises means they have to lie to people and con them over what they are getting.

 

I think some of our politicians are seriously too stupid to understand this, while other are happy to be treacherous and mendacious if it keeps them in power. They will poison the well  of British politics for many years to come by using the populist inflammatory political language of will of the people, enemies, traitors and betrayal just to hang on to that power a little longer.

 

we will be paying the price for this for a generation or more . 

My answer is above....king bong

 

 

9 hours ago, Mavideol said:

have absolutely nothing to do with neither of them.... maybe they could be compared to Scotland who also wants independence and the UK not allowing it, but again apples and oranges don't mix

They had the vote and bottled it,so much for the uk " not allowing it "

12 hours ago, transam said:

Are you on the wrong thread...? ????

I'm angry - almost gammon like in my complexion. Here's the truth behind the Tory facade. 

 

9 hours ago, Mavideol said:

, it's up to the UK citizens to make the choice

Just as it was for brexit

On 11/5/2019 at 5:26 PM, snoop1130 said:

A Labour government will get Brexit sorted within six months.

Can he explain how, the EU has already said Boris deal is the final last offer.

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It would have never started.

Yes it would and we would not have signed Maastricht.

4 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

She would never have called a referendum in the first place. It was always her philosophy to stand and fight from within the EU rather than to run and hide. Something she did very successfully.

The light was dawning and that's the main reason she went. She might have fought but the EU was intent on Maastricht. She would not have had any of that rubbish.

Regardless of his politics, Corbyn came across as the only competent politician, the most statesman-like, at the last election.  

33 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

Regardless of his politics, Corbyn came across as the only competent politician, the most statesman-like, at the last election.  

An unpopular opinion here I fear,  but he is the genuine article a rare bird in these days of lies and manipulation. 

1 hour ago, StreetCowboy said:

Regardless of his politics, Corbyn came across as the only competent politician, the most statesman-like, at the last election.  

 

being reasonably honest (rather than unreasonably dishonest) often leaves a good impression

 

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

The light was dawning and that's the main reason she went. She might have fought but the EU was intent on Maastricht. She would not have had any of that rubbish.

She didn't go, she was kicked out. and yes, she would have signed the Maastricht Treaty, with amendments.

 

And how did the Treaty affect the UK? Hardly at all. The main outcome of Maastricht was the Euro, which we didn't join and never will. So perhaps you could tell us what part of the Maastricht Treaty damaged the UK?

2 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

She didn't go, she was kicked out. and yes, she would have signed the Maastricht Treaty, with amendments.

 

And how did the Treaty affect the UK? Hardly at all. The main outcome of Maastricht was the Euro, which we didn't join and never will. So perhaps you could tell us what part of the Maastricht Treaty damaged the UK?

Not joining the Euro

12 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

She would never have called a referendum in the first place. It was always her philosophy to stand and fight from within the EU rather than to run and hide. Something she did very successfully.

Yeah she did stand and fight and done it very well and what did her 

4 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Yeah she did stand and fight and done it very well and what did successive governments do?sell us all down the river and I personally hated her,but admired her strong leadership.

 

8 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

An unpopular opinion here I fear,  but he is the genuine article a rare bird in these days of lies and manipulation. 

 

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

Yeah she did stand and fight and done it very well and what did her 

Like you I hated her and all the damage she caused to indusrial Britain and the working man.

 

However, her unerring resoluteness were both her strength and what finally did for her. The rot started when Howe resigned over her opposition to European Monetary Union and her poor showings in the polls, prior to the upcoming election, were her death knell.

9 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

She didn't go, she was kicked out. and yes, she would have signed the Maastricht Treaty, with amendments.

 

And how did the Treaty affect the UK? Hardly at all. The main outcome of Maastricht was the Euro, which we didn't join and never will. So perhaps you could tell us what part of the Maastricht Treaty damaged the UK?

Yes, she was kicked out but no, she wouldn't have signed the Maastricht Treaty as it was. Thatcher was booted out by her disloyal Europhile lieutenants who had realised that she was turning against the EU dream. Single Market yes but the rest of it no no no. Maastricht eventually passed through Parliament but only with a tiny majority and Thatcher would not have let it go nearly that far.

 

How did the Treaty affect the UK? The European Economic Community became the European Union and started the process of eroding nation statehood and national identities. It created the ‘European Citizen’. It was the start of monetary union. It led to the treaties of Amsterdam, Nice and Lisbon - all of them without a referendum or "people's vote" (whatever you like to call it) in the UK. And now we've finally had a referendum the remainers suddenly want another one. Typical.

14 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

being reasonably honest (rather than unreasonably dishonest) often leaves a good impression

 

But this is it isn't  it, brexit has inoculated the country to politicians lying. It's just accepted now

 

 Brexit is a cr@p idea, sold to the credulous, angry & disappointed by spivs, chancers & over-promoted pantomime toffs who will never back down or apologise. Understand this and the complete chaos of British politics is, at least, easy to understand.

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

How did the Treaty affect the UK? The European Economic Community became the European Union and started the process of eroding nation statehood and national identities. It created the ‘European Citizen’. It was the start of monetary union.

How as it eroded nation statehood and the British national identity? Big on rhetoric, absent with facts. Did we join the Euro or do we still have the £ sterling?

 

Try coming up with some facts rather than jingoistic nonsense.

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

 

How did the Treaty affect the UK? The European Economic Community became the European Union and started the process of eroding nation statehood and national identities. It created the ‘European Citizen’. It was the start of monetary union. It led to the treaties of Amsterdam, Nice and Lisbon - all of them without a referendum or "people's vote" (whatever you like to call it) in the UK. And now we've finally had a referendum the remainers suddenly want another one. Typical.

I actually think that Brexit and the whole jingoistic, mendacious campaign of support for it has done more damage to  nation, statehood and the British national identity, not the mention the UK's reputation overseas, in three short years,than being an EU member for the last 45.

 

It's let genies out of the bag that are going to be hard to stuff back in again. A good third of the UK population now identify more as being European, than being British, 2 of the nation states of the union would prefer to be part of the EU than part of the UK, people are embarrassed about being British, our society is rent into two opposing tribes. We are no longer a nation unified by the thought of being British. 

 

Britain has been left spiritually diminished by this fiasco and will probably end up physically diminished  too.    

14 minutes ago, tebee said:

I actually think that Brexit and the whole jingoistic, mendacious campaign of support for it has done more damage to  nation, statehood and the British national identity, not the mention the UK's reputation overseas, in three short years,than being an EU member for the last 45.

 

It's let genies out of the bag that are going to be hard to stuff back in again. A good third of the UK population now identify more as being European, than being British, 2 of the nation states of the union would prefer to be part of the EU than part of the UK, people are embarrassed about being British, our society is rent into two opposing tribes. We are no longer a nation unified by the thought of being British. 

 

Britain has been left spiritually diminished by this fiasco and will probably end up physically diminished  too.    

I really don't know where or even why you post such nonsense, have you got a link to verify your post. Is it something else you've uncovered from twitter? Here is a finding that disputes your accusations.

Britain feels less European than anywhere else in the EU

A new report, published today by NatCen Social Research, reveals that fewer people in the UK feel any sense of European identity than do those in any other country in the European Union. The report – ‘Do we feel European and does it matter?’ – is the second in a series of briefing papers exploring Britain’s relationship with the European Union in the run up to the referendum as part of the ESRC-funded project ‘What UK Thinks: EU’.

According to the latest Eurobarometer survey, as many as 64% of people in the UK deny that they feel in any way ‘European’. In contrast, just 25% of people in Germany and 36% of people in France feel that way.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/media-centre/britain-feels-less-european-than-anywhere-else-in-the-eu/

15 minutes ago, tebee said:

I actually think that Brexit and the whole jingoistic, mendacious campaign of support for it has done more damage to  nation, statehood and the British national identity, not the mention the UK's reputation overseas, in three short years,than being an EU member for the last 45.

 

It's let genies out of the bag that are going to be hard to stuff back in again. A good third of the UK population now identify more as being European, than being British, 2 of the nation states of the union would prefer to be part of the EU than part of the UK, people are embarrassed about being British, our society is rent into two opposing tribes. We are no longer a nation unified by the thought of being British. 

 

Britain has been left spiritually diminished by this fiasco and will probably end up physically diminished  too.    

When chaos is everywhere there is no longer chaos. I don't think probably any more, the UK is an almost certain bet for disaster capitalism plays. Just occasionally our Great Liar-in-Chief tells the truth...

 

 

its diana abott who is most worrying if she is holding the purse strings ..phenomenally careless about numbers above ten or 2 hands worth

On 11/7/2019 at 5:59 AM, RuamRudy said:

What flavour of democracy is it that means you are branded a traitor if you don't drop your principles and obediently comply with a minority of people? Your comments don't sound democratic at all. 

There's democracy and there's mob rule.

8 hours ago, nauseus said:

Yes, she was kicked out but no, she wouldn't have signed the Maastricht Treaty as it was. Thatcher was booted out by her disloyal Europhile lieutenants who had realised that she was turning against the EU dream. Single Market yes but the rest of it no no no. Maastricht eventually passed through Parliament but only with a tiny majority and Thatcher would not have let it go nearly that far.

 

How did the Treaty affect the UK? The European Economic Community became the European Union and started the process of eroding nation statehood and national identities. It created the ‘European Citizen’. It was the start of monetary union. It led to the treaties of Amsterdam, Nice and Lisbon - all of them without a referendum or "people's vote" (whatever you like to call it) in the UK. And now we've finally had a referendum the remainers suddenly want another one. Typical.

The oiks must keep voting till they get it right

13 hours ago, transam said:

 

Been a tory/Israeli shill for along time - sniffing away for his peerage. 

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/ex-labour-mp-ian-austin-appointed-trade-envoy-to-israel-by-pm/

23 minutes ago, kingdong said:

There's democracy and there's mob rule.

And then there's idiocracy (and this was made before Trump !)....

 

 

4 hours ago, vogie said:

I really don't know where or even why you post such nonsense, have you got a link to verify your post. Is it something else you've uncovered from twitter? Here is a finding that disputes your accusations.

Britain feels less European than anywhere else in the EU

A new report, published today by NatCen Social Research, reveals that fewer people in the UK feel any sense of European identity than do those in any other country in the European Union. The report – ‘Do we feel European and does it matter?’ – is the second in a series of briefing papers exploring Britain’s relationship with the European Union in the run up to the referendum as part of the ESRC-funded project ‘What UK Thinks: EU’.

According to the latest Eurobarometer survey, as many as 64% of people in the UK deny that they feel in any way ‘European’. In contrast, just 25% of people in Germany and 36% of people in France feel that way.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/media-centre/britain-feels-less-european-than-anywhere-else-in-the-eu/

 

nothing new here, UK is not part of Europe, Europe is somewhere brits goes for holiday

 

We always knew it and now photographic evidence emerges....

 

"For the few, not the many"

 

15 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

How as it eroded nation statehood and the British national identity? Big on rhetoric, absent with facts. Did we join the Euro or do we still have the £ sterling?

 

Try coming up with some facts rather than jingoistic nonsense.

When you can't accept that your question has been answered, you just ask another one, by jingo!