U.S. diplomat Sondland reverses impeachment testimony, says he knew of Ukraine quid pro quo

[bristolboy]

4 hours ago, BestB said:

What’s the threat?

Ever hear of Vladimir Putin?

[jb61]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn, this issue has already been debunked.

 

Transcript of former Special Envoy to Ukraine Kurt Voker’s impeachment deposition was released on Tuesday.

Volker testified before the House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs, and Oversight committees in October and his testimony once again proves there was no quid pro quo in Trump’s dealings with Ukraine.

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, jb61 said:

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn, this issue has already been debunked.

 

Transcript of former Special Envoy to Ukraine Kurt Voker’s impeachment deposition was released on Tuesday.

Volker testified before the House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs, and Oversight committees in October and his testimony once again proves there was no quid pro quo in Trump’s dealings with Ukraine.

Im sure he will have a change of mind when he is reminded of something. Like sondland.

 

Funny how 1 guy gives evidence and you believe him over the others that say otherwise.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Puchaiyank said:

The very question the Trump impeachment inquiry is trying to gather evidence of..."quid quo pro with Ukraine"...Joe Biden has admitted to while VP...it is the Trump haters who have the blinders on...our laws were meant to be equal for all people...HRC and the deep state bureaucrats that gave her a "get out of jail free pass"...has emboldened the scum to come to the surface...

Here we are again! This claim has been debunked numerous times already

- it was a government policy, in agreement with policies from the IMF, the EU, etc... The previous head of the IMF also threatened to withhold funds and she had no son working in Ukraine

- the corrupt prosecutor was dismissed by a vote at the Ukrainian congress and reasons were clearly stated

- according to the Ukraine justice ministry, the investigation was already closed before 2016. It has been reopened in 2016 after the "very good prosecutor" was fired and nothing was found

- if there had been ground for it, an official investigation could have been started by the DOJ. It did not happen.

 

But, but, but....(Same debunked B.S. again)

[Mavideol]

8 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Now who believes that was the only time Trump did something like this? 

not me  555, he has done it 1,000's of time, they just have to check that "mysterious" super secure server

[metisdead]

Some troll posts and replies have been removed. 

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, kane666 said:

 

Bit like the Democrats used to be all for secure borders and stopping illegal immigration? And now? What a joke.

Like your spirited defiance even when the chips are down and the impeachment noose tightened with each day revelation from WH staffs. Worse to come with Bolton’s hearing. Keep up with your wide eye adoration for the man who will cause long term damage to the Rep Party. 

[Srikcir]

7 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

Also, there are no audio recordings of the phone call

You don't think Ukraine and other "national actors" haven't recorded the call?

[Farangwithaplan]

2 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

The very question the Trump impeachment inquiry is trying to gather evidence of..."quid quo pro with Ukraine"...Joe Biden has admitted to while VP...

Then is that actually took place it is a completely separate situation. Why are you attempting to intertwine it?

 

You seem to be saying that on suspicion of someone breaking the law (which has apparently already been investigated and quashed) the President is legally allowed to do wrong to try and find evidence.

 

Fascinating.

[wwest5829]

8 hours ago, stevenl said:

To anybody following this it was already very clear, now it has been confirmed.

But will this be enough to convince senate republicans, I very much doubt it. Facts don't matter anymore to the people, and I think facts don't matter anywhere anymore.

 

Hope to be proven wrong.

As far as Senate Republicans are concerned, their judgement will come down to only if their chances of being re-elected are better in support or denouncing Trump.

[riclag]

3 hours ago, Becker said:

True, and if he isn't removed from office before the next election I fully expect him to call for an armed revolt if his loss is anything less than a landslide.

He really is that despicable.

conspiracy  theories, and total nonsense !

[muzley]

A link to Sondland's testimony. On page 35, you will read in his testimony. "I asked the President what do you want from Ukraine?" The President responded, "nothing. There is no quid pro quo." The President repeated, "no quid pro quo multiple times." Looks like selective parts of the testimony have been used.

 

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=6540412-Gordon-Sondland-Testimony

[candide]

7 minutes ago, muzley said:

A link to Sondland's testimony. On page 35, you will read in his testimony. "I asked the President what do you want from Ukraine?" The President responded, "nothing. There is no quid pro quo." The President repeated, "no quid pro quo multiple times." Looks like selective parts of the testimony have been used.

 

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=6540412-Gordon-Sondland-Testimony

That's why the tread is called "Sondland reverses impeachement testimony"....

[J Town]

27 minutes ago, candide said:

That's why the tread is called "Sondland reverses impeachement testimony"....

Sondland is making Hershey in his pants over fear of the perjury charges he's dancing dangerously close to. And doesn't anyone find it strange that Trump is fighting releasing his tax returns all the way to the SUPREME COURT?!? There must be some CRAZY illegal stuff in there!

[J Town]

1 hour ago, kane666 said:

That Trump Derangement Syndrome seems to be coming along nicely.

That is a trigger term used by those who can't use facts. Your whole blah blah diatribe regarding Biden has NOTHING to do with the topic. Commonly known as a red herring or distraction to avoid discussing the topic. Republicans use this frequently because facts won't serve them.

[Dap]

Most unfortunately, and much the same as some posters here on TVF, the overwhelming amount of substantiated testimony against this self-serving individual may not be sufficient for the senate republicans to vote for their own removal from the trough.

[mikebike]

7 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

Well, if a Vice President's son is guaranteed a job in an industry he knows nothing about...we should be OK with it...nothing to see in the Biden extortion/bribing debacle...

True. An efficient admin would have got on this long before Biden officially entered the race, thrown in a few Ukrainian names to investigate as well, and been done with Biden and the impeachment inquiry long before it/he started. Not 45 though... he waited until it was a crime.

[Puchaiyank]

5 minutes ago, mikebike said:

True. An efficient admin would have got on this long before Biden officially entered the race, thrown in a few Ukrainian names to investigate as well, and been done with Biden and the impeachment inquiry long before it/he started. Not 45 though... he waited until it was a crime.

He thrives on controversy and drama...he still thinks he needs to put on a show to keep TV rating up...????

[scorecard]

"...  but Republican Senator Mitt Romney on Tuesday said the whistleblower 'should be allowed to remain confidential'."

 

IMHO he is correct, there is a case to say that if whistleblowers are forced or pushed to reveal themselves then many potenital whistblowers who reveal corruption and more would never speak up, not good. 

[DogNo1]

Sondland doesn’t KNOW that there was a quid pro quo.  He INFERS that there was an unspoken quid pro quo.  He said there was “likely” a quid pro quo.  That means he doesn’t know for sure.  That wouldn’t stand up in a court of law.  Now there is an argument that if there were a quid pro quo, it wouldn’t have been illegal.  The crux of the matter seems to be that it involves his political rival Joe Biden who has his own quid pro quo on the record, not to mention his giving the Chinese a free pass which apparently was rewarded with $1.5 billion being invested with his son.  It gives the appearance of Joe being bought off by the Chinese.  We know that the Chinese have bribed a lot of people in the US.

[J Town]

3 minutes ago, DogNo1 said:

Sondland doesn’t KNOW that there was a quid pro quo.  He INFERS that there was an unspoken quid pro quo.  He said there was “likely” a quid pro quo.  That means he doesn’t know for sure.  That wouldn’t stand up in a court of law.  Now there is an argument that if there were a quid pro quo, it wouldn’t have been illegal.  The crux of the matter seems to be that it involves his political rival Joe Biden who has his own quid pro quo on the record, not to mention his giving the Chinese a free pass which apparently was rewarded with $1.5 billion being invested with his son.  It gives the appearance of Joe being bought off by the Chinese.  We know that the Chinese have bribed a lot of people in the US.

What people keep forgetting is there does not NEED to be a "quid pro quo" for this to be an impeachable offense.

[BestB]

42 minutes ago, mikebike said:

You forgot, "what about Hillary"...

 

Regardless of what others may have done, it does not, in any way, mitigate the fact that 45 is in the wrong and may well suffer the consequences.

I know , it’s not what we do but what others do that matters 

[Skeptic7]

HOPEFULLY the <deleted> is gonna start sticking to Slimy Don after all these decades of lies, corruption, cons and BS. 

[jany123]

7 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

Well, if a Vice President's son is guaranteed a job in an industry he knows nothing about...we should be OK with it...nothing to see in the Biden extortion/bribing debacle...

Yes yes... look over there.

 

meanwhile this thread is about Sondland. So... if your wanting to talk about jobs for people who know squat about them, why bother with the look over there? look here! Look here!

 

Sondland qualified to be an ambassodor of the Divided States by being a real estate mogul who gave the trump a ship load of money... now that’s how you qualify for a job... buy your creds.

 

MAGA... drain the swamp... start with the bung... it’s orange

 

[seajae]

so what happened between the time he made his first statement(under oath was it) and this one, who spoke to him and told him to change what he said to make trump look guilty. There are some very fishy things going on and it will be good to actually get to the bottom of it all instead of the current jockeying by the dems to get what they want, the truth doesnt seem to come into what they are doing, they have the written record of the call but still cant accept it and have gone as far as to make up what actually was said by the idiot leading the dems charge and the impeachment call as well as him lying about the whistle blower first contact with him and his office, lets hope the truth does emerge

[Becker]

Link: Trump's impeachment defense splintered by new revelations

Link: ANALYSIS: It wasn't easy for Republicans to defend Trump on Ukraine before today. Now? Whoa boy

Link: A diplomat suddenly remembers the quid pro quo

 

And from Faux News:

Link: Glenn Close says Emma Stone ‘doesn’t have to talk to me’ in preparation for Disney’s ‘Cruella’ film

[Becker]

5 minutes ago, seajae said:

so what happened between the time he made his first statement(under oath was it) and this one, who spoke to him and told him to change what he said to make trump look guilty. 

And in other news from the Twilight Zone.....

[sirineou]

5 minutes ago, seajae said:

so what happened between the time he made his first statement(under oath was it) and this one, 

Other corroborating evidence appeared and he realised that if he did not tell the truth, he might be joining in jail  all the other who have lied for trump. 

[BestB]

This is a funny one

 

Joe Biden on his son's connection with Ukrainian company: "He did not do a single thing wrong"https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-on-hunter-biden-connection-with-ukrainian-company-he-did-not-do-a-single-thing-wrong-60-minutes-2019-10-27/

 

And then 

 

Joe Biden on Hunter: "I Didn't Know He Was On The Board Of That Company"https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/11/02/joe_biden_on_hunter_i_didnt_know_he_was_on_the_board_of_that_company.html?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=mixi&utm_campaign=realclearpolitics

[Tug]

4 hours ago, mikebike said:

True. An efficient admin would have got on this long before Biden officially entered the race, thrown in a few Ukrainian names to investigate as well, and been done with Biden and the impeachment inquiry long before it/he started. Not 45 though... he waited until it was a crime.

No he waited untle one day after he knew he got away with the russan collusion-conspiracy gig and not one day sooner (at least with the phone call quid quo pro)part I’m sure they were scheming beforehand