Chiang Mai Air Quality and Pollution

[chingmai331]

What is the fascination with the daily or even hourly 'number'?  How many tiny particles now in the air near me? 

Yeah, this is the time of year for bad air in north Thailand, and nearby places. If you have been here before at this time, you know the story.  Nothing new about the bad air in April.

The solutions, (if your question is: how can i avoid the health consequences of this pollution?) are: 

1. protect yourself as best you can, day and night with air machines and masks, and mostly stay inside with the air machine.

2. leave the area for a better place till the air clears.

3. suicide.

Since you have no influence in govt decisions, that line of logic won't work.

 

Finally, you are burning  yourself up with anger, bitterness and hate towards the smoke and the negative health consequences of those internal emotions may be far worse than 30 days of bad air.

 

[orang37]

7 hours ago, chingmai331 said:

What is the fascination with the daily or even hourly 'number'?  How many tiny particles now in the air near me? 

Yeah, this is the time of year for bad air in north Thailand, and nearby places. If you have been here before at this time, you know the story.  Nothing new about the bad air in April.

The solutions, (if your question is: how can i avoid the health consequences of this pollution?) are: 

1. protect yourself as best you can, day and night with air machines and masks, and mostly stay inside with the air machine.

2. leave the area for a better place till the air clears.

3. suicide.

Since you have no influence in govt decisions, that line of logic won't work.

 

Finally, you are burning  yourself up with anger, bitterness and hate towards the smoke and the negative health consequences of those internal emotions may be far worse than 30 days of bad air.

 

 

click: "bonfire of the vanities"

 

Thank you, Savonarola, this thread really needed a sermon on our ignorance, foolishness, and a lecture on the fundamentals of northern Thai weather.

 

Kind of you to diagnose our feverish dialogues, and answer the question we didn't know we needed to ask !

 

~o:37;

[Yom]

10 hours ago, chingmai331 said:

Finally, you are burning  yourself up

[Yom]

April 13

 

So much better in Chiang Mai now?

 

[HaleySabai]

Yes it is.....April.14,nicest morning at 31PM2.5 since the last "nice" morning on Jan.24 at 26PM2.5.

I'm only referring to the mornings (8am) since the worst no#'s for the day start here.

 

Could be a sign we are finally coming out of it. Which clearing up around Songkran would be consistent with many previous years....BUT not last year,we didn't get relief for another month.

 

Let's hope for some rain!

[BritManToo]

30 minutes ago, HaleySabai said:

Yes it is.....April.14,nicest morning at 31PM2.5 since the last "nice" morning on Jan.24 at 26PM2.5.

I'm only referring to the mornings (8am) since the worst no#'s for the day start here.

Agreed, this morning was the best one in a long time.

Could almost see the mountains.

[cardinalblue]

331.....where do you get 30 days of bad air? Try 5 months of bad air...since Dec 1st CM has had one day under PM 50....that is horrendous an embarrassment...anything above 50 is considered moderate to unhealthy to severe....

 

people need to first educate themselves rather than making excuses for a far worse health impact on the local population than CV will ever have...

 

its a sad reflection on the gov’s incompetence when rain has to clean up a man made mess...it drops under 50 but 4 consecutive rainless days elevate the PM to anywhere between 80 - 120...

 

and yes, people continue to burn...

 

ignorant stupid selfish poor is me.....they all fit...

 

 

 

 

[Yorkshire Tea]

13 minutes ago, cardinalblue said:

331.....where do you get 30 days of bad air? Try 5 months of bad air...since Dec 1st CM has had one day under PM 50....that is horrendous an embarrassment...anything above 50 is considered moderate to unhealthy to severe....

 

people need to first educate themselves rather than making excuses for a far worse health impact on the local population than CV will ever have...

 

its a sad reflection on the gov’s incompetence when rain has to clean up a man made mess...it drops under 50 but 4 consecutive rainless days elevate the PM to anywhere between 80 - 120...

 

and yes, people continue to burn...

 

ignorant stupid selfish poor is me.....they all fit...

 

 

 

 

Over 150 last night & this morning in San Kamphaeng.  Farmers burning fields.

 

Destroy the economy for covid-19, but ignore the elephant in the room that really kills ????

[Thailand]

Went down to Chom Thong today, rising smoke from fields and apparently in the night lots of fires on and around Doi Inthanon and the smog was visible again after a couple of days of respite.

This situation is far more dangerous and will kill many more people that Covid-19 and the only thing the ptb care about is dropping restrictions on the Chinese and Koreans coming back to Thailand.

 

Bloody scandalous!

[canopy]

The government has told farmers to plant 3rd week of May to be in time to capture upcoming rains. Thus, by June rains could be sufficient to get green zone quality air in the north (it's yellow/orange zone right now). Decent air quality often green level should then last 4 or 5 months until the rains stop, then air quality will deteriorate rapidly in October as the cycle repeats

 

[orang37]

1 hour ago, canopy said:

The government has told farmers to plant 3rd week of May to be in time to capture upcoming rains. Thus, by June rains could be sufficient to get green zone quality air in the north (it's yellow/orange zone right now). Decent air quality often green level should then last 4 or 5 months until the rains stop, then air quality will deteriorate rapidly in October as the cycle repeats

 

 

I am delighted to meet an optimist !

[Thailand]

Came back from Lamphun way near the 106 /108 ,the fields were on fire all over the place. The crazy thing about it was that had to pass through a police check point (cross province?) with around a dozen officers etc the worst of the burning was literally around the area where the officers were conducting their temp checks etc on drivers and passengers!

 

Around half a dozen substantial fires,impossible to miss! 

[Yom]

10 hours ago, Thailand said:

... the worst of the burning was literally around the area

OK. - But where have you been the last five months?

PM2.5 and PM10, 

It's not the farmers. 

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[Yom]

Just for reality  drop in, a screenshot from Feb 3rd  2020.

And it wasn't the worst day up north.

 

Wow.

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[Thailand]

8 hours ago, Yom said:

OK. - But where have you been the last five months?

PM2.5 and PM10, 

It's not the farmers. 

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Do not quote part of my post.

It was the fields that were on fire. this was farmland so get you facts straight,I witnessed first hand and quite literally under the noses of the BIB. And not just 5 months here, somewhat longer. 

This is in addition to the forest fires that are starting again.

Covid-19 could not have survived the environment at the checkpoint yesterday.

[Dante99]

19 hours ago, Thailand said:

Came back from Lamphun way near the 106 /108 ,the fields were on fire all over the place. The crazy thing about it was that had to pass through a police check point (cross province?) with around a dozen officers etc the worst of the burning was literally around the area where the officers were conducting their temp checks etc on drivers and passengers!

 

Around half a dozen substantial fires,impossible to miss! 

So what?

 

Did you expect the police to be enforcing laws?  Where did you get that idea?

[cerox]

Here we go again.

 

Foreigners complaining about the pollution in Chiang Mai. Instead of moving out they stay and will start the same complaining cycle again December until May. See you in December.

[johng]

5 minutes ago, cerox said:

Foreigners complaining about the pollution in Chiang Mai

Not just foreigners and not just Chaingmai   if no one complains  then nothing will ever get done about any sort of problem will it ?

[cardinalblue]

Xerox....is air pollution acceptable to you?

[orang37]

On 5/21/2020 at 12:52 PM, johng said:

Not just foreigners and not just Chaingmai   if no one complains  then nothing will ever get done about any sort of problem will it ?

 

If only there were a way to collectivize our deep concern for the air quality into a form that would "make a difference" !

 

Guess how a public demonstration (as in peaceful protest) by a large group of expats would go down here, given the current political/economic reality. I wonder why Stalin's famous quote comes to mind: "no man,  no problem."

 

I believe that many/most Thais care deeply about this problem, and I wish I knew an effective way to support them !

 

~o:37;

[cerox]

Yes, it is acceptable. I tell you why: we are guests here. We have nothing to say. Accept this simple truth. Now Corona shows you more than ever before that we have no rights and for those who are not in Thailand, cannot even return. How is that family/child/marriage/Elite visa working out? Oh, we cannot return, I forgot. We are all simply tourists, no matter what visa we use.

 

For the same reason, foreigners/tourists/guests should not complain. Thais can decide on their own. They decided 2019 that the smoky season lasts much longer now and there is more to burn. Ok, their decision. Their country. They did not ask you or me to move to Chiang Mai.

[Yom]

17 hours ago, orang37 said:

If only there were a way

FYI. - Might be a start?

 

[cerox]

please delete; posted in wrong topic

[Yom]

September 5

 

Thailand North. There have been 3 months of good and fresh air.

Now it returns to yellow and orange. 

(farmers are burning? - rainy seaon?)

AQI 865/Lampang seems to be a mistake or a fake.

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[Thailand]

The long term effects of the burning will affect many more lives than Covid, including children.

The burning now seems to start earlier each year and the authorities do no more than talk the annual talk.

Expect more of the same talk and the same inaction and record AQI readings.

[Yom]

15 hours ago, Thailand said:

burning now seems to start earlier each year and the authorities do no more than talk the annual talk.

This is absolutely correct.

 

 

15 hours ago, Thailand said:

the burning will affect many more lives than Covid, including children.

I think this is correct too.

 

It's a scandal.  - Yes or No  ?

What do you think?

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[worldfun]

Lets all move out & sink CM & the whole north! Hell lets sink the whole kingdom!!

[Yom]

When  I'm checking 'aqicn.org' most

of the north seems to be green.

But ventusky.com shows a problem

(today) in CM and in Bangkok?

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[Forza2002]

AQI getting higher again... over 100 in some places today.

 

[Forza2002]

https://www.iqair.com/th-en/thailand/chiang-mai 

https://www.iqair.com/th-en/blog/air-quality/cost-of-air-pollution