Thais told: If your young kid dies after letting them drive - YOU'VE MURDERED THEM!

[roo860]

2 hours ago, Chazar said:

So how's  he  get the  keys then Mum?

Have Thai friends whose daughter was 11 and riding motorbike, we ask her why she let her ride it, the answer was if we tried to stop her she'd make problems.

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[Chazar]

2 hours ago, varun said:

Yup, especially from the phooyai.

The only way this could possibly work is if the judges / law enforcement were given unlimited coercive power to force monetary payment via seizure of assets - house/car, freeze corporate/personal bank accounts etc.

 

As I said, never in a million years.

Problem is   many live hand  to mouth although  can always  find  money for cigs and  beer

[ParkerN]

17 minutes ago, roo860 said:

Have Thai friends whose daughter was 11 and riding motorbike, we ask her why she let her ride it, the answer was if we tried to stop her she'd make problems.

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Hmmm. Well, in my experience, if you have kids, you can't (or don't) have a quiet life with no kid problems. In this case, the parent is blaming the kid for making parenting problems. I doubt this. It is always the responsibility of the parent.

 

Make a choice, but don't make it solely on the basis of reacting to hormonal tides. The human body and mind are both extraordinary but neither one is perfect.

[trainman34014]

Just another indicator that there is no hope for Thailand when the Parents are as dim as the Kids !

[Chelseafan]

4 hours ago, ParkerN said:

Well, it's a reasonable excuse and one which might have applied 10 years ago. Now there are 3 or 4 school buses running to each village. The silly-o'clock comment rings true though, but it means the school bus excuse does not apply and a parental neglect accusation does apply.

 

Thais are very close to nature, and some of them in my view, share more in common with the local wildlife than with human brings. Watch the way they behave and see what I mean.

 

Let's call a spade a spade. Many, perhaps most Thais have kids for the following reasons:

 

1. It's expected by parents and rellies, mainly for the following 'traditional' reasons.

2. They need someone to look after them when they get old because the government they elect doesn't and won't.

3. Biological need. This is the big reason.

4 They need someone to send on errands while they're in the fields getting leptospirosis or brain malfunction from spraying noxious weedkillers because Donald Trump want to keep a few voting/contributing executives rich and the locals know as much about protective clothing as they do about child-rearing.

5 Future sinsod.

 

 

My soon-to-be wife's kids live 5 miles from school. There is no school bus/ Songthaw and there's no way they can walk as it's a bendy country road. Might have buses in some villages but not all of them.

 

[seajae]

4 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

I agree with you but there's no transport to get them to school other than the motorbike.

You may well say that it's up to the parents to drive them there but mum and dad are working in the fields at silly-o-clock.

I'm actually surprised that there's not more fatalities in the sticks.

 

as a kid we rode to school on push bikes, several kilometers, it was either that, walk or catch the bus or were taken by their parents,  many thais seem to be  too lazy to walk or ride push bikes,  many parents cant be bothered to take them and its easier to give them the keys and let them do it themselves. Parents take no responsibility for their kids here, they do whats easiest for them, way past time for big fines and confiscation of motor bikes/cars if under age  kids are caught using them but the police refuse to do what they are paid for and actually police the roads plus the parents dont care

[Chelseafan]

43 minutes ago, seajae said:

as a kid we rode to school on push bikes, several kilometers, it was either that, walk or catch the bus or were taken by their parents,  many thais seem to be  too lazy to walk or ride push bikes,  many parents cant be bothered to take them and its easier to give them the keys and let them do it themselves. Parents take no responsibility for their kids here, they do whats easiest for them, way past time for big fines and confiscation of motor bikes/cars if under age  kids are caught using them but the police refuse to do what they are paid for and actually police the roads plus the parents dont care

Again, I'm not disagreeing but given where the kids live, there's just no way we would allow them ride pushbikes. The cars come around those bends at 50+ mph sometimes and I suspect there would be more deaths of schoolkids on the roads. I don't like motorbikes, I don't like the kids driving them either but unfortunately they are a practicality out in the provinces.

 

 

[steve187]

6 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

I agree with you but there's no transport to get them to school other than the motorbike.

You may well say that it's up to the parents to drive them there but mum and dad are working in the fields at silly-o-clock.

I'm actually surprised that there's not more fatalities in the sticks.

 

push bike

[ParkerN]

2 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

My soon-to-be wife's kids live 5 miles from school. There is no school bus/ Songthaw and there's no way they can walk as it's a bendy country road. Might have buses in some villages but not all of them.

 

Then ask the government to issue proper training and licenses. Otherwise, accept there are reasons why not. If you're hungry, do you steal food? would you steal a motorbike if you didn't have one? Same same. Prevail upon the school and apply what pressure you can to get a school bus so the kids are safer.

 

Be a decent parent And a law-abiding citizen. If you're a resident, then contribute something to Thailand.

 

 

Edited January 2, 2020 by ParkerN

[jackdd]

4 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

My soon-to-be wife's kids live 5 miles from school. There is no school bus/ Songthaw and there's no way they can walk as it's a bendy country road. Might have buses in some villages but not all of them.

Ever heard of a bicycle?

[Chelseafan]

59 minutes ago, jackdd said:

Ever heard of a bicycle?

Ever heard of reading my reply, posted 3 hours before your sarcasm.

 

[Chelseafan]

3 hours ago, ParkerN said:

Then ask the government to issue proper training and licenses. Otherwise, accept there are reasons why not. If you're hungry, do you steal food? would you steal a motorbike if you didn't have one? Same same. Prevail upon the school and apply what pressure you can to get a school bus so the kids are safer.

 

Be a decent parent And a law-abiding citizen. If you're a resident, then contribute something to Thailand.

 

 

I don't live there at present but purleease get yourself into the real world? The school does not have the funds for anything as extravagant as a school bus & driver

 

There is no way I would ask the kids to cycle, walk, crawl, hop etc to the school on a bendy road that encourages drivers to speed - That's being a decent parent and as I don't live there I really do not have any say.

 

 

[Traubert]

12 hours ago, SkyNets said:

The problem is that most people here are mentally 12 years old

 

Bit harsh that. Do you know how many 'special forces' members there are on Thai Visa?

 

At least give them 14.

[RJRS1301]

12 hours ago, varun said:

Increase the penalty to 200,000 baht.

The only form of discipline that Thai's can truly understand is all stick and no carrot.

 

Unfortunately, this will never happen in a million years.

 

Just accept it as a twisted form of population control.

 

No point in increasing the penalty as it would be unenforceable.

Increase police presence, if child caught driving, parents charged, mandatory incarceration for one month of at least one of them, confiscation of vehicle for minimum 3 months, mandatory welfare supervision for family for 12 months.  

[RJRS1301]

9 hours ago, roo860 said:

Have Thai friends whose daughter was 11 and riding motorbike, we ask her why she let her ride it, the answer was if we tried to stop her she'd make problems.

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She would have problems finding the scooter keys in the first place. Sounds as though the child rules the roost, parents need to get some boundaries themselves and take control

[scorecard]

Obviously this subject should have been raised decades ago and basically hasn't and today, as many posters have said, kids riding / driving is accepted and even praised.

 

So IMHO part of the blame lies clearly at the feet of national leaders and the government, who for decades / regardless of party manifestos (said tongue in cheek) have ignored this matter.

 

Why? In my opinion because all the past government were mostly / strongly / completely focused on benefits for the party owners, politicians, their cronies and leeches with zero to no focus on matters pertaining to building and maintaining a civil society.

 

And it's not going to change anytime soon under the present 'government'.

 

Plus sadly the only party who have been talking about quite a few aspects of civil society / sharing et., are being stongly downtroden using unethical means.

 

Roll of FF, please don't lose heart, it's going to take a lot more time to gain some ground and make a real impact and generate real change. Give them hell and make sure you don't get infiltrated by other unethical people / gangs.

 

 

[smedly]

15 hours ago, SkyNets said:

The problem is that most people here are mentally 12 years old

 

my first revelation when I came here 16 years ago - the adults never develop beyond a mental age of 12

 

so what next - anti drink driving posters in junior schools

 

This country is lost on so many levels it really is scary and it's stupid scary, the only thing they seem to know is how to (deleted) things up and continue to do so

 

I wonder what excuse the parents use for this tragic failure - he couldn't reach the pedals properly - we should have provided him with 2x cushions instead of one

 

RIP

 

Ultimately another policing failure 

[legend49]

Parents can be fined 2,000 baht . It needs to be changed to WILL, to take effect. Great opinion by the Thai safety person. Pity the message doesnt come from the Muppets that lead this nation.

[RJRS1301]

37 minutes ago, smedly said:

my first revelation when I came here 16 years ago - the adults never develop beyond a mental age of 12

 

 

 

RIP

 

Ultimately another policing failure 

I am sure about the Thai you mix with, that is certainly not my experience.

I know some highly intelligent Thai people, I think to denigrate by that statement is diengenuous to your host country.

 

[smedly]

14 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

I am sure about the Thai you mix with, that is certainly not my experience.

I know some highly intelligent Thai people, I think to denigrate by that statement is diengenuous to your host country.

 

There are exceptions, pity they are not making important decisions like running the country or heading up authorities like police and local government

[RJRS1301]

9 minutes ago, smedly said:

There are exceptions, pity they are not making important decisions like running the country or heading up authorities like police and local government

You can write policies for ministers, does not mean they even come near to implementation, if indeed they are analysed by cabinet. Then there is the local application of them if they are passed and accepted, the wheels need greasing

[atyclb]

17 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

Another unnecessary tragedy ! R.I.P.

 

17 hours ago, webfact said:

Young people are just not equipped with the necessary skills to drive.

Unless you bring in a stringent driving test, neither are a lot of others on the road here.

Edited 17 hours ago by Thaiwrath

 

"people are just not equipped"

[Geoffggi]

17 hours ago, webfact said:

 

Thai Rath - in a story laced with opinion and warnings - said that under 18s are not permitted to drive. Parents can be fined 2,000 baht for letting their children drive. 

Unfortunately once again no real deterrents either with the fines or sentences, the police are not strong enough trying to live life with as little conflict as possible so they are not looked down upon by the locals who do not realise that strict laws are needed to improve quality of life. The statement that parents CAN be fined 2,000 baht but normally it is only 500 baht as the Thai's cannot afford more than this figure however they can afford to buy cars, trucks & bikes...???

[nursebob]

17 hours ago, Chazar said:

no  good  unless  you  can  actually  get  it

they say the parents have murdered their kid, well charge them with murder, or at least 2nd. degree murder, lets see if that message gets home.

[ChrisKC]

the single greatest cause of most problems in Thailand as it is everywhere else in the world is, and always has been - PARENTS

[saminoz]

"Young people are just not equipped with the necessary skills to drive."

Thais are generally not  equipped with the necessary skills to live in a civilised society.

[krobert6]

And the police are innocent for not stopping them.?

 

[TKDfella]

I am sad that the boy has died but I don't give condolences to the parents...they simply don't deserve it. Yesterday when I went out for lunch not only was a small boy (small could mean any age up to 13/13 I guess) riding a m/c he two other boys with him. To make it even worse they were talking to another group of boys riding along side them. They simply have no comprehension of the danger they create for themselves and others.

[djayz]

18 hours ago, ParkerN said:

the absence of any police or other law-enforcement

Agree with everything else you wrote but the above: it is the parents responsibility to ensure that keys to vehicles, tools, guns and other dangerous objects are kept out of the reach of those who are to young/immature to use them safely. 

It seems to be a typical attitude here that the police are responsible for this and the teachers are responsible for something else. No so in my books. 

Parents are responsible for their children's safety, upbringing, education, health, diet, etc. 

[DUNROAMIN]

TIT, nothing changes, it is in their culture and mind set that life is not important its the will of Budda.